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Offline Jb

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Hand shuffled games
« on: August 01, 2016, 09:58:33 AM »
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  • Can someone list the casinos in the northeast that still hand shuffle the shoes in there baccarat games.


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    Re: Hand shuffled games
    « Reply #1 on: September 10, 2017, 02:41:13 AM »
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  • Any thoughts on hand shuffled baccarat games.  I would say that they are highly inferior to a machine shuffled game like that with Shuffle Master, etc.  Since the cards come pre-sorted in a specific order from the manufacturer, hand shuffles are subject to the skill of the dealer.  Even at their best effort, a dealer can never match the thorough nature of a machine shuffle.


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    Re: Hand shuffled games
    « Reply #2 on: September 10, 2017, 05:16:55 PM »
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  • Any thoughts on hand shuffled baccarat games.  I would say that they are highly inferior to a machine shuffled game like that with Shuffle Master, etc.  Since the cards come pre-sorted in a specific order from the manufacturer, hand shuffles are subject to the skill of the dealer.  Even at their best effort, a dealer can never match the thorough nature of a machine shuffle.


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    When they first came out, (used to be be all baccarat tables in High limit--the original ones with 14 players and 3 dealers where the players possess the shoe and deal the cards) as well as all mini tables on the main floors, were of course all hand open, wash and shuffle, etc.  When the machine came about, we all thought they produced less tacking, trends, patterns,etc.  But that went away with most players.  Those shoes all produced the same things, we just found something else to blame all the losing shoes on and we exploited that and dwelled on it.

    I remember two specific instances of explanations.   One, a casino set up a demonstration and placed cards in a pre-set order and had a chart set up with all the outcomes with numerous hands.  Then they let people cut the deck and each and every time, there was always a different outcome than what was pre-set.  Two, I have taking a couple of decks of cards and set them up, every which way.  I did the same thing with numerous varying cut card placements.  Always different, never held a pattern of pre-set outcomes. 

    I have said before, in many of the high limit rooms, where they do have the machines, many of the floor people will allow the dealer to do a quick shuffle if you are concerned about anything.

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    Re: Hand shuffled games
    « Reply #3 on: September 10, 2017, 05:48:07 PM »
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  • Thanks.  I still like the Shuffle Master or equivalent as the number one option.
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