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It cannot fail or be defeated, cannot be wrong
« on: September 07, 2017, 12:33:56 PM »
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  • I simply get the largest comical kick out of these people, whether here or on other sites and in the public that, preach such things as, “too powerful to be defeated or overcome” and “incapable of making mistakes or being wrong” and also such things as “never fails and always profits”. 

    Seriously people!  That is where I abruptly stop reading, each and every time.  As well—when I come across the likes of “discovered the secret”, or “discovered something that will turn into a money tree and allow you revenge on the casino” and anything along those lines.

    So many here, turn my writing and advise against me and claim I hate authors of ‘holy-grails’, systems sellers and those breed of sales people.  I don’t hate them, I do dislike them and don’t care for them, and they are in all reality distrustful, unrealistic, as well as preying on the naïve, the desperate and the unaware players. 

    I saw this very thing last weekend with the 2 players I cited that lost over $100k at baccarat.  They were following something they ‘discovered’ on the internet and they believed it would prevail.  They were clearly playing it and they were clearly following a pre-scheduled bet placement method in the belief that multiple shoes would produce what they were taught. 

    The whole key to baccarat is playing what wins and what loses.  In a section you can win with the very system you purchased but in the next section within the same shoe or following shoe or later shoes, that very thing you used to win will cause you lose.  That is the point almost no one believes until it is far too late.

    It is so wrong and so unethical to do what they perpetrate and attempt to get the players to buy their products.  It is no different than a used car lot that temporarily fixes something on a car and then has the purchaser sign explicit disclaimers about as-is status and no refunds.  The only difference is, the author of a system or a book about a secret holy grail is a gambler that lost money attempting to recoup his funds and make a living without getting a ‘real’ job in the workplace, rather than being a disreputable store front owner, conning and conniving business owner that lies and cheats his customers. 

    Yes, buyer beware and consumer takes all risk, etc.  But there is a 100% difference between an ‘honest’ mistake that is attended to by a business owner and makes the customer satisfied rather than being conned and/or ripped-off.  The same with gambling books, systems and information.  As far as, IMO—the holy-grails, the secret discoveries, the ‘cannot fail’ and all of those packaged data things that will change your life and provide you easy $$$ for simply sitting there and wagering by following their system—it is immoral, unethical and 100% harmful to the consumer.  Of course there is a pyramid of standard responses and excuses the systems authors will cite when the purchaser loses his money and complains.  They all go something along the lines of, "you got greedy", "it only works for 'XYZ' timing", "it cannot work in the scenario you used it", etc., etc., etc. 


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    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2017, 11:02:47 PM »
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  • Many good points  :thumbsup:

    The only sellers I have time for, and who might warrant a closer look, are those who:

    *  use real money in their demonstration videos (putting money where their mouth is)

    *  clearly and prominently state that they cannot and will not guarantee profits (unlike the shonks and charlatans who make every claim under the sun)

    *  who abstain from using images of fast cars, boats and flash houses in their sales blurbs (use my product and you'll be rich enough to buy these)

    *  who provide genuine and verifiable figures of their own bets and outcomes using the product (but there is no guarantee, of course, that you will get the same results, and it's often hard to tell if the figures provided are not simply made up)


    And even then it's still a case of my two favourite mantras: CAVEAT EMPTOR and CAVEAT LECTOR.

    Finally, if something seems to be too good to be true, then.... (provide your own ending)

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    Re: It cannot fail or be defeated, cannot be wrong
    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 09:31:25 AM »
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  • I simply get the largest comical kick out of these people, whether here or on other sites and in the public that, preach such things as, “too powerful to be defeated or overcome” and “incapable of making mistakes or being wrong” and also such things as “never fails and always profits”. 

    Seriously people!  That is where I abruptly stop reading, each and every time.  As well—when I come across the likes of “discovered the secret”, or “discovered something that will turn into a money tree and allow you revenge on the casino” and anything along those lines.

    So many here, turn my writing and advise against me and claim I hate authors of ‘holy-grails’, systems sellers and those breed of sales people.  I don’t hate them, I do dislike them and don’t care for them, and they are in all reality distrustful, unrealistic, as well as preying on the naïve, the desperate and the unaware players. 

    I saw this very thing last weekend with the 2 players I cited that lost over $100k at baccarat.  They were following something they ‘discovered’ on the internet and they believed it would prevail.  They were clearly playing it and they were clearly following a pre-scheduled bet placement method in the belief that multiple shoes would produce what they were taught. 

    The whole key to baccarat is playing what wins and what loses.  In a section you can win with the very system you purchased but in the next section within the same shoe or following shoe or later shoes, that very thing you used to win will cause you lose.  That is the point almost no one believes until it is far too late.

    It is so wrong and so unethical to do what they perpetrate and attempt to get the players to buy their products.  It is no different than a used car lot that temporarily fixes something on a car and then has the purchaser sign explicit disclaimers about as-is status and no refunds.  The only difference is, the author of a system or a book about a secret holy grail is a gambler that lost money attempting to recoup his funds and make a living without getting a ‘real’ job in the workplace, rather than being a disreputable store front owner, conning and conniving business owner that lies and cheats his customers. 

    Yes, buyer beware and consumer takes all risk, etc.  But there is a 100% difference between an ‘honest’ mistake that is attended to by a business owner and makes the customer satisfied rather than being conned and/or ripped-off.  The same with gambling books, systems and information.  As far as, IMO—the holy-grails, the secret discoveries, the ‘cannot fail’ and all of those packaged data things that will change your life and provide you easy $$$ for simply sitting there and wagering by following their system—it is immoral, unethical and 100% harmful to the consumer.  Of course there is a pyramid of standard responses and excuses the systems authors will cite when the purchaser loses his money and complains.  They all go something along the lines of, "you got greedy", "it only works for 'XYZ' timing", "it cannot work in the scenario you used it", etc., etc., etc.
    I read a lot on your blogs about you don’t like baccarat book authors, such as Tabone and his baccarat books on amazon and other system authors on youtube etc. Since this is a betting site can you tell me how you win on baccarat? You just know it all since you have written so much about the game but I’m asking cos I read a lot from you but nothing much about winning?

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    « Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 12:09:21 PM »
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  • I read a lot on your blogs about you don’t like baccarat book authors, such as Tabone and his baccarat books on amazon and other system authors on youtube etc. Since this is a betting site can you tell me how you win on baccarat? You just know it all since you have written so much about the game but I’m asking cos I read a lot from you but nothing much about winning?

    Stephen, again you are a ludicrous jerkoff, mentally insane with your scam systems that will hurt players.  You are a total invasion of an internet message board with your self serving total fallacies:

    Here is the way we scientifically measured your system and your writings:



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    Re: It cannot fail or be defeated, cannot be wrong
    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 01:23:55 PM »
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  • This guy call Alrelax just write a whole load of baloney stuffs filling up forum space. I don't think he gambles at all now, but maybe in the past , he might have lost alot of money using whatever imaginable systems that he bought. That's why he has an axe to grind with system sellers, that he's gone crazy just to tarnish the system sellers. He got so mad that a few weeks ago he just copy and paste wholesale the nonsensical articles posted here to the Beat The Casino.com public forum just to get attention. But unfortunately for him, no one bother to even post any replies on his articles that he requested the administrator to take down the articles after he got shot down by a few experience members at BTC.

    And he's the one who commented that people are so free with a lot to time to troll casino forums, and he forgets that he's the main one that has too much time to post those nonsensical articles. Yet he claims that he runs a business and is always occupied with his work.
    Can you show us how to win in Baccarat instead of writing baloney and cursing members??.

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    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 01:31:57 PM »
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  • This guy call Alrelax just write a whole load of baloney stuffs filling up forum space. I don't think he gambles at all now, but maybe in the past , he might have lost alot of money using whatever imaginable systems that he bought. That's why he has an axe to grind with system sellers, that he's gone crazy just to tarnish the system sellers. He got so mad that a few weeks ago he just copy and paste wholesale the nonsensical articles posted here to the Beat The Casino.com public forum just to get attention. But unfortunately for him, no one bother to even post any replies on his articles that he requested the administrator to take down the articles after he got shot down by a few experience members at BTC.

    And he's the one who commented that people are so free with a lot to time to troll casino forums, and he forgets that he's the main one that has too much time to post those nonsensical articles. Yet he claims that he runs a business and is always occupied with his work.
    Can you show us how to win in Baccarat instead of writing baloney and cursing members??.

    Simple, if you don't like what I write, don't read it.

    As far as your other stuff, I was invited by a member to join their forum.  I was unaware of a member there that is a notorious player and was in conjunction a 'professional friend' of a previous board admin/owner that has huge markers out and owed in Las Vegas for hundreds of thousands of dollars and will ultimately and most likely be criminally prosecuted.  I wanted nothing to do with the board once I found out who was sponsoring and putting on their seminars for hire, which was the board member i am referring to.

    So, as soon as I found out that board member/notorious person was there and in conjunction affiliated with their seminar gig, I attempted to have my few posts deleted and that is the point they said what they did.

    I ahve never purchased a system and never will.  Too many have alerted all of us as to what happens with them such as Ted0009 and Leugnyeh, etc., systems are fraud and authors and systems sellers are the scum of the earth IMO.  Advise and life stories and experiences are gold and real.  Period.

    If you are looking for a magical system,keep looking, there is none. LOL.

    That is the rest of the story.  You talk good, but you do not know the story, thanks.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 01:42:29 PM »
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  • Really? Are you online in this forum twenty four hours? Immediate reply.. geez!! FYI I don't read your stuff at all!! Get a life and work on your biz.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 01:47:34 PM »
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  • Really? Are you online in this forum twenty four hours? Immediate reply.. geez!! FYI I don't read your stuff at all!! Get a life and work on your biz.

    I am on when i am on, LOL.  You are sure worried about me.  LOL.  You need to take your own advise. 

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    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 03:32:51 PM »
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  • I am on when i am on, LOL.  You are sure worried about me.  LOL.  You need to take your own advise.

    Hi alrelax,

    Tabone's back because he isn't doing very well on his OWN forum. You see he only has a piddling 9 members and no doubt most of those are aliases.. Heee Heee  :nod:
    He can't get ppl to sign up and join it. They're not interested. And nobody else wants him on their forums too! They know what he's like and capable of!
    He wants, needs and craves publicity for his book selling campaign and since he cannot post any of his book links on gamblingforum due to member restrictions there (where I exposed him), he'd rather come back on here with his proxies because he thinks he's more chance to get away with it and muster some badly needed exposure by rekindling interest for his ebooks.
    How terribly sad is that?

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  • Hi alrelax,

    Tabone's back because he isn't doing very well on his OWN forum. You see he only has a piddling 9 members and no doubt most of those are aliases.. Heee Heee  :nod:
    He can't get ppl to sign up and join it. They're not interested. And nobody else wants him on their forums too! They know what he's like and capable of!
    He wants, needs and craves publicity for his book selling campaign and since he cannot post any of his book links on gamblingforum due to member restrictions there (where I exposed him), he'd rather come back on here with his proxies because he thinks he's more chance to get away with it and muster some badly needed exposure by rekindling interest for his ebooks.
    How terribly sad is that?

    A.
    If Tabone and his books are on another forum then what would he be doing here? how do you know he is here?

    I checked his sales rate and he is selling books so why would he come here? Also this is not a big forum so I think if he did go on other forums it would be on bigger ones wouldn’t it not on this one? What would be the point because it can’t be about sales when as I wrote his books are selling well.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 05:55:38 PM »
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  • Hi alrelax,

    Tabone's back because he isn't doing very well on his OWN forum. You see he only has a piddling 9 members and no doubt most of those are aliases.. Heee Heee  :nod:
    He can't get ppl to sign up and join it. They're not interested. And nobody else wants him on their forums too! They know what he's like and capable of!
    He wants, needs and craves publicity for his book selling campaign and since he cannot post any of his book links on gamblingforum due to member restrictions there (where I exposed him), he'd rather come back on here with his proxies because he thinks he's more chance to get away with it and muster some badly needed exposure by rekindling interest for his ebooks.
    How terribly sad is that?

    A.
    What forum is that? can you post the link please?

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    « Reply #11 on: September 09, 2017, 06:51:35 PM »
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  • If Tabone and his books are on another forum then what would he be doing here? how do you know he is here?

    Really?  Do you need to actually ask that?


    I checked his sales rate and he is selling books so why would he come here?

    Please prove the "sales rate" and as to why would he come here?   It's one of the few places that let him post under multiple names otherwise he would have to stay on his own forum and talk to himself.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 09, 2017, 07:52:46 PM »
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  • Hi ADulay,

    So yet another 24 hr new member comes on with an initial first post in support of Tabone. Good to see the mods were quick off the mark with this one. I suspected this new signup the moment they joined - and I've been proved right.
    Obviously his sales are suffering and it's desperation stakes now.

    It certainly appears that he is not willing (or very reluctant to say the least) to learn the lesson of his stinging and deserved defeat from the last time he tried these tactics. He doesn't seem to have accepted his wrongdoings and show any contriteness in any way. He will not accept his beating or apologise for his past behaviour so no perceived change for the better - no compliance with accepted forum etiquette. Instead he decides to return and continue in the same vein as before; spread broadcasting and bombarding the forum with Tabone trivialities; wherever he lays his hat that's his home... (ooh that reminds me of a song!  :)  )

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    « Reply #13 on: September 09, 2017, 10:29:27 PM »
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  • Atlantis,

      The good thing about having these guys "moderated" rather than outright banned is that I can read their messages and decide if the entertainment factor is enough to allow the post to be seen.

       I would release more but then we would have the Stephen circus all over again, just with wildly different user names.  There's a lot of them that don't make it past the mean forum moderators.   C:-)

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