Betvoyager No Zero Roulette is WORSE than Single Zero Roulette. It's a scam.

[Steve H]

Betvoyager no zero roulette is often mentioned like it's a good thing. Before now, I never bothered to investigate it because I suspected there would be some catch that gave the casino an edge. I wrote an article about it at http://www.roulettephysics.com/betvoyager-no-zero-roulette/

Basically your chance of profiting is almost TWICE AS BAD AS SINGLE ZERO ROULETTE.

Solution: See Betvoyager no zero roulette for what it is. It's just a clever way to scam you into thinking you have a better chance of winning, when in fact your chances are much worse than normal roulette.

Does anyone still think Betvoyager no zero is a good idea?? If so, maybe you would prefer 00 roulette.

[Jarabo002]

This is the answer to your article from the Betvoyager staff:


First, we are fair and open and have always said that we have equal odds during gameplay. We have nothing to hide.

The house fee indeed is taken from winnings. However, when you have equal odds you have swings in both directions (plus and minus). Therefore you can always come out on top if you wait for the right moment and cash out during a profit. That is where strategy comes in.

This person clearly does not understand mathematics as the % edge after we take the fee is only .34%. Therefore it truly gives a better chance to win.

We suggest you do your own math just like that article suggests. Run a test (demo version) with both No Zero and European Roulettes, and we challenge anyone to try to find a mathematically better roulette than ours.

As far as being off shore on an island, every online casino is on an island, and they are all regulated. This is done to avoid high taxes, not to go around regulation. Furthermore, we hold certificates in 2 jurisdictions (Curacao and Alderney). And have been tested a few years ago by the SAS testing house and this year by eCOGRA.


The BetCruise Management

Regards.

[wannawin]

This is the answer to your article from the Betvoyager staff:


First, we are fair and open and have always said that we have equal odds during gameplay. We have nothing to hide.

The house fee indeed is taken from winnings. However, when you have equal odds you have swings in both directions (plus and minus). Therefore you can always come out on top if you wait for the right moment and cash out during a profit. That is where strategy comes in.

This person clearly does not understand mathematics as the % edge after we take the fee is only .34%. Therefore it truly gives a better chance to win.

We suggest you do your own math just like that article suggests. Run a test (demo version) with both No Zero and European Roulettes, and we challenge anyone to try to find a mathematically better roulette than ours.

As far as being off shore on an island, every online casino is on an island, and they are all regulated. This is done to avoid high taxes, not to go around regulation. Furthermore, we hold certificates in 2 jurisdictions (Curacao and Alderney). And have been tested a few years ago by the SAS testing house and this year by eCOGRA.


The BetCruise Management

Regards.

wow so the Betvoyager staff responded directly.
Thank you for sharing this message.
I am not taking sides . I just find it interesting that a casino will respond to a forum post.

[Bayes]

What Steve didn't take into account in his calculations is the fact that the 10% is taken from net winnings; it's not applied to every winning bet.

There are a couple of examples on BV's site showing how it's done. The fact is that playing the no zero game can make a big difference to your bottom line, especially if you're playing a lot of numbers.

[Blue_Angel]

What Steve didn't take into account in his calculations is the fact that the 10% is taken from net winnings; it's not applied to every winning bet.

There are a couple of examples on BV's site showing how it's done. The fact is that playing the no zero game can make a big difference to your bottom line, especially if you're playing a lot of numbers.

RNG's are as good as random, none roulette professional bets on RNG's.

I assume you are one of those who bet black after 5 reds because it ''ought'' to balance eventually...what a joke!

Good luck with your random ad-ventures (you'll need it).

[Bayes]

RNG's are as good as random, none roulette professional bets on RNG's.

I do, but not exclusively. And FYI, I don't play at BV any longer. Too many issues with disconnections.

Betting on random numbers is good practice for the "real" thing. If you can beat RNG you can beat anything, you should try it sometime. 

[Blue_Angel]

Betting on random numbers is good practice for the "real" thing. If you can beat RNG you can beat anything, you should try it sometime. 

I practice exclusively on casino's Wiesbaden spins, their permanences are never in shortage.
90% of the times I play live online (with dealers not airballs) and from time to time at B&M casinos.
Except roulette I play also blackjack (not RNG) if I can find favorable rules.

[phallyka]

especially if you're playing a lot of numbers.

[zuffle]

I do, but not exclusively. And FYI, I don't play at BV any longer. Too many issues with disconnections.

Betting on random numbers is good practice for the "real" thing. If you can beat RNG you can beat anything, you should try it sometime. 

I think BV have worked on it Bayes, I haven't had any disconnections for quite a while.  Using the desktop software is the best option if you can.

Also I only flat bet on single numbers meaning disconnections don't disrupt my play at all.

I also agree with your statement about RNG.  Beat it and you can win anywhere, anytime, the big thing is being able to find honest RNG, which I think BV is.  I don't think all online casinos use honest RNG.