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#### PatternAnalys

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2020, 12:40:37 pm »
• no, I didn't mean hp.Jhonny
but normal labby

but another assumption,
I guessed, you bet with labby ,
sort of starting with ( 0-1), or (0-0-1),(0,xx,1)
and bet only, say, 10spins only, then
cutloss, restart, stop at first 1u profit, restart.

thus when only 60/200, you sustain -+120u losses,
and ,if within expectation, you win -+30u./100

#### argalim147

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2020, 07:11:45 pm »
• I have created and tested a hundreds of money management systems.
All standart systems with fixed rules like Martingale, D'alembert, Labouchere, Oscar Grind and others - in a long run are losing and have big bet size and drawdown.

There are several solutions how to increase stability of MM -
1) Every new losing session recover with different MM. Need a list of 20 standart MM, and let a random number generator to choose what MM to use to recover losing session.

2) In a standart MM create a dynamically changing system rules.

Of course, much depends of betting winrate. If winrate is stable and bigger than 48 percents then standart MM behave quit good in long term. If winrate is less 48 percents there is no way to stay alive in long run with standart MM. Need to think out of box.

#### PatternAnalys

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2020, 12:55:53 am »
• Argalim247,

Albalaha, main purpose,
is to control losses to
manageable minimum,
when the worst 30%/100 hit.

and the winning will take care of itself
when expectation hit.

Many still can't GRASP this concept.!!!

Its FUNNY,
I start to think hard how to
LOSE 60u when 30/100 hit ...
how to WIN when 30% hit.

30/100 will hit anytime, but FORTUNATELY,
the ratio of (30%)versus ( within expectation)
is very good!

#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2020, 04:11:51 am »
• no, I didn't mean hp.Jhonny
but normal labby

but another assumption,
I guessed, you bet with labby ,
sort of starting with ( 0-1), or (0-0-1),(0,xx,1)
and bet only, say, 10spins only, then
cutloss, restart, stop at first 1u profit, restart.

thus when only 60/200, you sustain -+120u losses,
and ,if within expectation, you win -+30u./100

This is really close to what I do.
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#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2020, 04:26:27 am »
• @Argalim247,
Wow ! Your first post straight to my topic. You must be some old member with different username. Anyways,
The money managements you named are all seriously flawed mathematically and are meant to plunder players only and help casinos win bigger and faster. I analysed each of them very minutely and found what is lacking. Martingale is meant for super losers who is looking for the easiest way to run out of casino. Labouchere caught my attention but basic labby could drag you to dangerous levels in bad times. I worked upon bettering that. I assessed thousands of ways variance could strike. I sorted worst of the worst sessions. Tried my tweaks on them. Improved them further and so on. Now, I am capable of handling the worst sessions upto their virtual limits even if the remain below average after being too harsh. The same money management does great in good sessions and below average sessions too.
I don't need any advantage play or identifying trends/patters or precognition or bias analysis or roulette computers. My mathematical and logical approach is a kind of mathematical advantage play.
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#### PatternAnalys

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2020, 08:43:34 am »
• I think, I starting  to

1)Accept losses, but,
sustain the least but manageable
losses...
when worst extreme hit,
even when (the impossible)
'0/100' hit!!!  thus "X"losses.

2)win when "within-expectation", rtm hit, till that winning larger than "X".

now, very interesting time, to do hard thinking, of explore & researching,
"how to bet in small  batches", that lose ,say, only 50u in 30/100...

now 100/30=3.3, doesn't mean a hit every 3.3spin.
thus there will be STREAKS of long losses and hits.
( ten losses in row",
will be -55u,

if (0,1), then -10u.
and needs =>33.34%hit to close.
thus the winning will be less than and you need toake sure <30u plus the losses, shouldn't larger than you could sustain...
(just my 2cents)

#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2020, 06:13:44 pm »
• Not pushing bets too much in any case, is the key. If you try to win the worst with only increasing bets, it will never work.
0,1 labby is my starting point, you are right upto this point but there are lots of other safeguards including mini stop losses and increase in base labby on specific conditions, so that even 0/100 case comes, it won't take away huge money.
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#### PatternAnalys

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2020, 04:12:03 am »
• Wow!

Sir,
thanks for the clues,
Very challenging,
and
exciting time,
to solve this strategy!!!
Thanks again.

I will start (0,1),
stop bet
after four losses, to avoid unnecessary,
extreme variance losses,
bet again when
a virtual win hit,
restart when +1 profit, regardless previous cutloss,

and ,maybe, for progression,
start again with (0,2)

#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2020, 03:10:20 pm »
• @Wong,
You are getting closer. Do you read my mind?
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#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2020, 03:17:02 pm »
• Hey Guys,
After beating a virtually "worst possible session" for an EC bet that I created, I m up for real bad sessions. Can someone provide me with real bad data for an EC bet where super bad ratio persists for 100 or more continuous bets followed by average wins thereafter( no clumping or compensatory wins). Try to provide me with at least 500 hands, in succession after the worst one.
I want to prove that even the worst patches could be recovered and finally won without betting or losing huge and nothing really is unbeatable in the random world. Hope to get such data soon. Thanks in anticipation.
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#### PatternAnalys

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #55 on: Yesterday at 01:37:47 pm »
• Albalaha,
Sir,
Imho, betting
and /or "f-t-2nd-last",
or 'r-labby', scheme...)

may better, because,
of the streaky nature of baccarat.
Whether, you agreed/disagreed,
believe or not,
the streaky, advantage, can't be overlook!

#### Albalaha

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##### Re: An eyeopener challenge and query
« Reply #56 on: Yesterday at 02:59:08 pm »