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Offline BEAT-THE-WHEEL

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Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
« Reply #120 on: March 03, 2016, 05:59:06 am »
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  • BA,
    and others,
    see if you could win this,
    [may upload into the tracker]



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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #121 on: March 03, 2016, 02:04:59 pm »
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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #122 on: March 03, 2016, 03:53:48 pm »
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  • Hello. . . .

    I ran your Super Horror Session and have attached the graph results

    My bet selection was Black or Red, whichever had the least hits.

    Largest bet = 64 units

    Max Drawdown = 437 units

    Cheers

    Nick

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #123 on: March 03, 2016, 04:51:54 pm »
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  • I have a question about this progression before I start to test it against my W/L records.


    Is it always in cycles of 37? What happens if you sit down and start off with a win, do you lock up the
    1 unit of profit and start a fresh cycle of 37? What if you are 15 bets in and gain 1 unit, do you lock that up and start a new cycle of 37 or is all 1 unit betting played out until the end of a  37 cycle?
    Quitting while your ahead is not the same as quitting.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #124 on: March 03, 2016, 04:58:36 pm »
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  • Hi Big EZ . .

    I tested this just like you said. 

    On a new high (peak) I reset the progression to 1.

    The Bet Selection remains the same, only the progression changes.

    Cheers

    Nick

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #125 on: March 03, 2016, 05:24:11 pm »
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  • Hello Nick
     I have a question about the simulation 1000000 spins at the second forum, is there, the maximum drawdown is more than 5k, with max stake 128 unit.
    Did you tried to play it with stoplose let say 1000 or 600 units, then the graph looks like a positively or negatively?
    Thanks for any reply

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #126 on: March 03, 2016, 06:40:46 pm »
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  • Hi Ozon . . .

    When we test a system we first test it "wide open", meaning no limits on the Profits or Losses.

    Then we can gauge how bad or good it will get.

    With this knowledge we can then determine the best size bankroll, the best Stop Losses and Profit Targets to test further.

    We have not yet determined what is the best Stop Loss yet.
    Cheers

    Nick



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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #127 on: March 03, 2016, 06:46:43 pm »
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  • I believe it has to be between minimum 64 bet / 600 bankroll or maximum 128 bet / 1000 bankroll.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #128 on: March 03, 2016, 06:51:06 pm »
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  • Does Albalaha have something against Blue Angel?

    All I see are tests that succeed, while he claims they fail............what am I missing? ???

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #129 on: March 03, 2016, 06:55:10 pm »
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  • You can make +100 unit profit sessions. Each with 1000u br.
    Then see how many successful and how many busts.
    Just an idea. Cuz on fast RNG spins it doesn't take to long to get it.
    Real live wheel it would probably be to long. So there for 30 units would be enough for live play with 600 br.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #130 on: March 03, 2016, 07:10:09 pm »
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  • Does Albalaha have something against Blue Angel?

    All I see are tests that succeed, while he claims they fail............what am I missing? ???

    Haters will always hate. Best thing you can do is lift up your shoulder for a second and ignore.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #131 on: March 03, 2016, 07:22:11 pm »
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  • Don't forget also the air ball roulettes which producing results every 50 to 60 seconds.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #132 on: March 03, 2016, 07:57:07 pm »
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  • Hi Big EZ . .

    I tested this just like you said. 

    On a new high (peak) I reset the progression to 1.

    The Bet Selection remains the same, only the progression changes.

    Cheers

    Nick


    Just to be clear, you start a new cycle of 37 bets?

    Because in the examples that Blue posted when he resets anywhere in the 37 bet cycle he plays out the remaining cycle for 1 unit . 


    Can you clear this up for me/us Blue, just to make sure the testing is being done the right way


    BETTING ALWAYS ON RED / FRENCH ROULETTE WITH "LE PARTAGE" RULE

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    281     15   -2          +42     
    282     27  +2          +44   
    283     23  +2          +46   
    284     13  -2           +44   
    285     7   +2           +46     
    286     17  -2           +44   
    287     35  -2           +42     
    288     27  +2          +44     
    289     14  +2          +46     
    290     21  +2          +48     
    291     14  +2          +50     
    292     34  +2          +52     
    293     11  -2           +50     
    294     10  -2           +48     
    295     36  +2          +50     
    296     24  -2           +48   
    297     36  +4          +52      BET RAISES TO 4 UNITS
    298     34  +4          +56     
    299     7    +4          +60     
    300     5    +4          +64           
    301     6    -1           +63      BET RESETS TO 1 UNIT
    302     16  +1          +64     
    303     34  +1          +65     
    304     34  +1          +66     
    305     33  -1           +65     
    306     26  -1           +64     
    307     1   +1           +65       
    308     5   +1           +66     
    309     0  -0.5          +65.5       
    310     33  -1           +64.5       
    311     0   -0.5         +64   
    312     9   +1           +65     
    313     0   -0.5         +64.5     
    314     21  +1          +65.5     
    315     23  +1          +66.5     
    316     13  -1           +65.5     
    317     3   +1           +66.5   
    318     20  -1           +65.5     
    319     34  +1          +66.5       
    320     28  -1           +65.5       
    321     28  -1           +64.5     
    322     14  +1          +65.5     
    323     20  -1           +64.5     
    324     30  +1          +65.5     
    325     25  +1          +66.5     
    326     36  +1          +67.5   
    327     1   +1           +68.5     
    328     31  -1           +67.5     
    329     35  -1           +66.5   
    330     36 +1           +67.5     
    331     5   +1           +68.5     
    332     29  -1           +67.5     
    333     28  -1           +66.5   

    Summary}
    6 cycles of 37 spins / 333 outcomes / +66.5 units total / highest balance +68.5 units/
    lowest balance -530.5 units / highest bet 64 units
    Quitting while your ahead is not the same as quitting.

    Offline Blue_Angel

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #133 on: March 03, 2016, 08:13:47 pm »
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  • The way I play it is after resetting bet amount, the 37 spins cycle is continuing where it was.
    The cycle isn't being reseted, only the bet amount.
    Also there are other parameters which I've intentionally avoided to discuss.
    ''For after all what is man in nature?
    A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either.
    The ends of things and their beginnings are impregnably concealed from him in an impenetrable secret.
    He is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness out of which he was drawn and the infinite in which he is engulfed.'' B.Pascal

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #134 on: March 03, 2016, 08:46:45 pm »
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  • Hello BA,

    You mention that there are parameters which you have not discussed. These parameters have no impact on the method you have described (FHG) or do they? With this I mean, you have shared with us your winning method, we have all the information for this in your method description however, there are some "parameters" which can make playing less time consuming etc. For example what you just mentioned that after a session win we do not have to start all over with tracking but can begin again with the least hit EC.

    I hope you have not left out an important aspect of your winning method, without which we can not win longterm.