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Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2016, 10:25:41 PM »
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  • Horror session #3
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    S=spin R=result B=bet T=total

    S         R       B        T
    1.        L        1      -1
    2.        L        1      -2
    3.        L        1      -3
    4.       W        1      -2
    5.        L        1      -3
    6.        L        1      -4
    7.       W        1      -3
    8.        L        1      -4
    9.        L        1      -5
    10.      L        1      -6
    11.      L        1      -7
    12.      L        1      -8
    13.      W       1      -7
    14.      L        1      -8
    15.      L        1      -9
    16.      L        1      -10
    17.      W       1      -9
    18.      L        1      -10
    19.      L        1      -11
    20.      W       1      -10
    21.      L        1      -11
    22.      W       1      -10
    23.      W       1      -9
    24.      L        1      -10
    25.      W       1      -9
    26.      L        1      -10
    27.      L        1      -11
    28.      W       1      -10
    29.      L        1      -11
    30.      W       1      -10
    31.      L        1      -11
    32.      W       1      -10
    33.      L        1      -11
    34.      W       1      -10
    35.      L        1      -11
    36.      L        1      -12
    37.      W       1      -11
    38.      L        2      -13 <---- BET RAISES TO 2 UNITS
    39.      L        2      -15
    40.      W       2      -13
    41.      W       2      -11
    42.      L        2      -13
    43.      W       2      -11
    44.      L        2      -13
    45.      L        2      -15
    46.      L        2      -17
    47.      L        2      -19
    48.      L        2      -21
    49.      W       2      -19
    50.      W       2      -17
    51.      W       2      -15
    52.      L        2      -17
    53.      L        2      -19
    54.      W       2      -17
    55.      L        2      -19
    56.      W       2      -17
    57.      W       2      -15
    58.      L        2      -17
    59.      L        2      -19
    60.      W       2      -17
    61.      L        2      -19
    62.      W       2      -17
    63.      L        2      -19
    64.      W       2      -17
    65.      L        2      -19
    66.      W       2      -17
    67.      L        2      -19
    68.      W       2      -17
    69.      L        2      -19
    70.      W       2      -17
    71.      L        2      -19
    72.      W       2      -17
    73.      L        2      -19
    74.      W       2      -17
    75.      L        4      -21 <---- BET RAISES TO 4 UNITS
    76.      W       4      -17
    77.      L        4      -21
    78.      W       4      -17
    79.      L        4      -21
    80.      L        4      -25
    81.      W       4      -21
    82.      L        4      -25
    83.      W       4      -21
    84.      L        4      -25
    85.      W       4      -21
    86.      L        4      -25
    87.      W       4      -21
    88.      L        4      -25
    89.      W       4      -21
    90.      L        4      -25
    91.      L        4      -29
    92.      W       4      -25
    93.      L        4      -29
    94.      W       4      -25
    95.      L        4      -29
    96.      W       4      -25
    97.      W       4      -21
    98.      L        4      -25
    99.      W       4      -21
    100.    L        4      -25 
    101.    W       4      -21
    102.    L        4      -25
    103.    W       4      -21
    104.    L        4      -25
    105.    W       4      -21
    106.    L        4      -25
    107.    W       4      -21
    108.    L        4      -25
    109.    L        4      -29
    110.    W       4      -25
    111.    L        4      -29
    112.    W       8      -21 <---- BET RAISES TO 8 UNITS
    113.    L        8      -29
    114.    W       8      -21
    115.    L        8      -29
    116.    W       8      -21
    117.    W       8      -13
    118.    L        8      -21
    119.    L        8      -29
    120.    W       8      -21
    121.    L        8      -29
    122.    W       8      -21
    123.    L        8      -29
    124.    W       8      -21
    125.    L        8      -29
    126.    W       8      -21
    127.    W       8      -13
    128.    L        8      -21
    129.    W       8      -13
    130.    L        8      -21
    131.    W       8      -13
    132.    L        8      -21
    133.    W       8      -13
    134.    L        8      -21
    135.    L        8      -29
    136.    W       8      -21
    137.    L        8      -29
    138.    W       8      -21
    139.    W       8      -13
    140.    L        8      -21
    141.    W       8      -13
    142.    L        8      -21
    143.    L        8      -29
    144.    L        8      -37
    145.    L        8      -45
    146.    L        8      -53
    147.    W       8      -45
    148.    L        8      -53
    149.    W      16     -37 <---- BET RAISES TO 16 UNITS
    150.    W      16     -21
    151.    W      16     -5
    152.    L       16     -21
    153.    W      16     -5
    154.    L       16     -21
    155.    W      16     -5
    156.    L       16     -21
    157.    W      16     -5
    158.    L       16     -21
    159.    W      16     -5
    160.    L       16     -21
    161.    W      16     -5
    162.    L       16     -21
    163.    L       16     -37
    164.    L       16     -53
    165.    L       16     -69
    166.    L       16     -85
    167.    L       16     -101
    168.    W      16     -85
    169.    L       16     -101
    170.    W      16     -85
    171.    W      16     -69
    172.    L       16     -85
    173.    W      16     -69
    174.    W      16     -53
    175.    L       16     -69
    176.    W      16     -53
    177.    L       16     -69
    178.    L       16     -85
    179.    L       16     -101
    180.    L       16     -117
    181.    W      16     -101
    182.    W      16     -85
    183.    W      16     -69
    184.    L       16     -85
    185.    W      16     -69
    186.    L       32     -101 <---- BET RAISES TO 32 UNITS
    187.    L       32     -133
    188.    W      32     -101
    189.    L       32     -133
    190.    L       32     -165
    191.    W      32     -133
    192.    L       32     -165
    193.    W      32     -133
    194.    L       32     -165
    195.    W      32     -133
    196.    L       32     -165
    197.    W      32     -133
    198.    L       32     -165
    199.    W      32     -133
    200.    L       32     -165
    201.    W      32     -133 <----- NEEDS TO CONTINUE

    It seems unrealistic these kind of results, for 201 spins there wasn't more than 3 wins in a row, also the important thing which is missing is the bet selection, how to select when you don't post the numbers?!
    It could someone made it up out of his head!

    In case you have not understood it yet I'm going to make it clear, my bankroll is 600 units and I continue till I'm in the positive and gained a satisfactory profit, if I don't lose my bankroll means I've not lost the session.
    From now on you will provide numbers and not w / l because the selection of which EC is very important.

    Was that clear enough "beat the wheel" ??




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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #31 on: February 24, 2016, 10:34:40 PM »
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  • For the first cycle of 38 spins the SD is 3.16

    For the first 2 cycles (76 spins) the SD is 3

    For the first 3 cycles (114 spins) the SD is 3.32

    For the first 4 cycles (152 spins) the SD is 3.60

    For the first 5 cycles (190 spins) the SD is 4.12

    For the first 6 cycles (228 spins) the SD is 4

    The net profit of 29 units is being achieved on the 234th spin and at that time the SD was 3.74

    The maximum drawdown was on 215th spin with -451 units and 4.56 SD


    The darkest hour is just before the dawn...

    97 wins 41.45% / 137 losses 58.55%

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 10:48:57 PM »
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  • For the first cycle of 37 spins the SD is 2.23

    For the first 2 cycles (74 spins) the SD is 3.32

    For the first 3 cycles (111 spins) the SD is 4.36

    For the first 4 cycles (148 spins) the SD is 4.69

    For the first 5 cycles (185 spins) the SD is 5.10

    For the first 6 cycles (222 spins) the SD is 5.29

    The net profit of 61.5 is being achieved on the 229th spin and at that time the SD was 4.94

    The maximum drawdown was on 202nd spin with -530.5 and 5.50 SD

    87 wins 37.99% / 142 losses 62.01% at 229th spin which made the breakthrough

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 10:56:34 PM »
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  • ! have played bacc shoe by shoe and never lost, increasing 1 unit a shoe until ahead----bet selection hardly mattered and i haven't done it for awhile

    I think this way is more conservative and in my opinion you need a bit more aggressive approach.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 11:12:44 PM »
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  • Thanks for that info.....


    This may sound like a silly question, but is a cycle only considered a cycle on placed bets?

    Yes, only when you bet matters, whatever you see without betting doesn't alter the progression.
    My progression goes up and down according the money won and/or lost.

    That's why in the rules of my method I instruct to chart the 1st cycle before you begin betting, but never said to begin from 2 units because you've already 1 cycle on paper, there is BIG difference!

    The initial charting without betting is something you do only once in the beginning of every session, after you start betting you keep on writing but never stop betting till you end the session.

    The point of charting is for the bet selection, which in my opinion is the half of everything, the other half is the progression, none of these 2 elements should be underestimated!

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #35 on: February 24, 2016, 11:28:22 PM »
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  • I'm printing excel pages for charting casino sessions, I use a board in A4 page size in order to be able to write even when I'm not seating down.

    * Charting.xlsx (10.82 kB - downloaded 129 times.)

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #36 on: February 25, 2016, 12:15:24 AM »
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  • Hey Blue,

    Have you tested this method without the bet selection to see if a higher bankroll would still beat it using the basic system?

    Also, I presented this on Roulette.cc (with credit given), and they didn't even consider it for a minute due to the Marty-ness of it.

    Steve (owner) even weighed in, and claimed that it would fail with no real explanation.

    This seems odd, and makes me wonder about some people's motives. ???

    Thanks! :thumbsup:

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #37 on: February 25, 2016, 12:29:48 AM »
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  • Hey Blue,

    Have you tested this method without the bet selection to see if a higher bankroll would still beat it using the basic system?

    Also, I presented this on Roulette.cc (with credit given), and they didn't even consider it for a minute due to the Marty-ness of it.

    Steve (owner) even weighed in, and claimed that it would fail with no real explanation.

    This seems odd, and makes me wonder about some people's motives. ???

    Thanks! :thumbsup:

    No, I've not because I believe selection is half of everything, it's very important so I will never dismiss it.

    If you are talking about S. Hourmouzis, almost everybody who has been involved in roulette forums knows who he really is...and unfortunately has Greek origin like me, but I believe this fact alone says nothing about the rest of the Greeks.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #38 on: February 25, 2016, 12:34:49 AM »
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  • No, I've not because I believe selection is half of everything, it's very important so I will never dismiss it.

    If you are talking about S. Hourmouzis, almost everybody who has been involved in roulette forums knows who he really is...and unfortunately has Greek origin like me, but I believe this fact alone says nothing about the rest of the Greeks.

    It's strange........I've never really seen him actively try to suppress anyone's method, and he doesn't actively try to sell his stuff (excluding adverts on the forum).

    But I do find it odd that a man who claims to have a winning method (as he does) also sells cheating devices for Roulette. :no:

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #39 on: February 25, 2016, 12:41:59 AM »
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  • It's strange........I've never really seen him actively try to suppress anyone's method, and he doesn't actively try to sell his stuff (excluding adverts on the forum).

    But I do find it odd that a man who claims to have a winning method (as he does) also sells cheating devices for Roulette. :no:

    What he does and what he claims I don't care.
    Personally I don't know his policy about methods posted in his forum because I've not bothered with the particular forum.
    But if you say that he usually doesn't bother but he did with my method when you posted it there probably means something...

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #40 on: February 25, 2016, 02:57:41 AM »
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  • Dear BA,
    its not mine, I just copied and paste, go there and debate with the author, below is what he said about you.


    http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/anybody-think-such-bad-streak-can-be-won.4269/
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    QUOTE:

    Wow!!!

    A reverse engineering genius in bs.cc saw cluster of wins in the end and suggested a fixed step martingale type progression, in the batches of every 37 spins. So, he will play with 1 unit for first 37 spins and then 2,4,8,16,32 etc. lol.

    It is easy to make a key of one lock after having ample opportunity to diagnose that but the question is that of a master key. However, he could still not win my first horror session. He is presupposing a good cluster of wins anytime soon, which is unrealistic.

    In this lesser horrible session given below with 89 wins and 112 losses, his reverse engineering wisdom will look foolish enough.
    UNQUOTE.

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #41 on: February 25, 2016, 03:02:06 AM »
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  • and below not mine, but quote from  with permission,
    go there and, dare to debate with him if you have the...err, err...ballllllls...

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    QUOTE

    If such spans can be beaten the games get beaten itself because bad stretches cause irreparable losses to the bankroll. Everybody can describe MMs to play bets doing average number of hits or a little below average only or in a way favorable or bearable to him. In the given stretches an average gambler can only think of losses or at max stop loss.
    In bs.cc BTW carried these sessions after asking me and I saw good attempts to handle them although blue-angel's MM won't hold as he has an expectation of getting too many wins clustered later, in out of proportion if it started bad, which is unreal.

    Innovation can not be expected from everyone.

    Try whatever you feel can help. One can reverse engineer one of my sessions but not all 3 with the same approach. This could be a nice brain teaser. Every bet gets harsh moments even with the best safeguards possible. Unless you are well equipped to handle them with the least damage, you are supposed to be a loser always, at last.

    UNQUOTE.
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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #42 on: February 25, 2016, 04:03:58 AM »
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  • Quote
    and below not mine, but quote from  with permission,
    go there and, dare to debate with him if you have the...err, err...ballllllls...

    It's a waste of time to bother with such comments.

    I'm not going to repeat it so listen carefully;
    The goal of EVERY session is to make a profit, I'm not playing for fixed amounts neither fixed duration/spins.

    One session could last 40 minutes or 4 hours, could gain 1 unit or 110 units, I don't know these things before finishing sessions.
    What I do know is that I'll never walk away as loser, always I'm going to end my session with more money than when I've started it.

    Unless there is a casino rule which obliges you to quit when you lose, I decide to continue till I'm in profit and finish when I have enough of it.
    I decide it, not the casino, nor luck!

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #43 on: February 26, 2016, 05:37:54 AM »
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  • Hi BA,
    No need to be agitated,
    The author now, challenge you to win, the HORROR #4.

    See if you  win this horror#4...?
    I don't think so...

    BA,
    You want the truth?..
     The truth will kill you!


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    HORROR SESSION 4: ( 112 LOSSES VS 72 WINS)

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    Re: Anybody think such bad streak can be won?
    « Reply #44 on: February 26, 2016, 02:14:20 PM »
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  • These "challenges" are really a mute point unless they are actual wheel spins.

    If not, then anyone can just create a fake sequence to beat any system. :no:

    Real spins only................unless you using a verified RNG (recorded from a online casino-which is still different than a real wheel, but interesting none-the-less)!!! :thumbsup: