Quote from: TheLaw on February 29, 2016, 12:23:32 PM
So roughly +1 unit every 10 spins.

Is that consistent with your previous tests?

Thanks! 

I truly believe it's the most consistent in winning but it's not like a fixed interest of terms account.

Hey Blue_Angel. ...

Impressive your progression. It scares me though.
Did it ever busted ? 600 br ?

Quote from: Denzie on February 29, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
Hey Blue_Angel. ...

Impressive your progression. It scares me though.
Did it ever busted ? 600 br ?

I'll post it if ever does.

Quote from: Denzie on February 29, 2016, 05:52:08 PM
Hey Blue_Angel. ...

Impressive your progression. It scares me though.
Did it ever busted ? 600 br ?

This is a grind.......no doubt, but if it averages +1 unit for every 10 spins, surely safe enough to play nearly anywhere without any heat,and well within table limits.

The only downside is that we must be prepared to stick it out until a new high is reached, and it would take about 100+hrs to double the bank.

Even if you went to the $128 level (in theory), then you could still play a $15 base pretty easily making about $100/hr........or $200,000/year.


Work=reward!!!

This reminds on a thread I made on cc. "Embrace the edge"
I played it on RNG . I waited bit longer then our 37 spins. But who cares coz on those fast spins we can start pretty fast. The only difference is the progression.

I'm gonna try it . Will see what happens.

@the law....15$ base bet?  15x128 

The law, you got it right, it is grinding, slowly but steadily.

My personal preference is 10 euros unit and aiming from 30 to 60 units per session/day.
With 6000 euros bank can make 300 to 600 (5% to 10%) in approximately 5 hours (BM casino), just a matter of time.

Not too much like 25,50,100 unit value which could draw unnecessary attention, not too low which could not worth the time.

About type of casino, I'm traditional on this one which means that I prefer to have the wheel and the croupier in front of me producing results as I place my chips at the felt.

So we need 10-20 sessions to recover from a bust.
Can I ask how many sessions you've done already? 

I don't know how much time and how many spins determine a session, for you could be 500 spins, for me 300 and for someone else 100.

So better to speak in terms of results and I'm talking about millions of simulated results, including also the WHOLE archive of Wiesbaden casino.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 29, 2016, 07:57:35 PM

So better to speak in terms of results and I'm talking about millions of simulated results, including also the WHOLE archive of Wiesbaden casino.

WTF !!!!! Are you kidding me ? 

Quote from: Denzie on February 29, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
WTF !!!!! Are you kidding me ? 

Let me clarify what I said, many users have tried to find a worse sequence than the one on the first example of this topic but they didn't find anything worse among LITERALLY millions of results.
All these people just confirmed that there was not worst 200 spins sequence, they were not trying my progression.
Therefore was like an open challenge for anyone who can come out alive after such session from hell.
What I did was to try several progressions and first conclude to another which needed roughly 1000 units and the max bet was about 350 units.
I was not completely satisfied with my findings, mostly because of the huge max bet, thus it hit me suddenly to use a very old and well known progression in a different way, in different scale actually!:-)
That's how the whole concept came into existence and Fallacious Holy Grail was born.

Time is not a problem for me because I'm satisfying also my need for gambling.

Even if I could win every time in 30 minutes or less, I'd still feel that something is missing.

I get this need filled after a few hours, could be anything between 2 and 8 hours.

Never liked hit and run away like thief!

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 24, 2016, 02:05:36 AM
Yes.

About card games such as Baccarat, multiply 6 decks by 52 cards and deduct from the total 25% OR multiply 8 decks by 52 cards and deduct from the total 33%
234 to 278 are the playable cards for each shoe, if we consider 5 cards as the average for each result we arrive to:
234 + 278 = 512 / 2 = 256 / 5 = 51 hands per shoe approximately.

We could round it up to 50 hands/results as 1 cycle.

So based on this I have another silly question....


If I/you/anyone use the same bet selection on both roulette even chances and baccarat, for one game I would need to adjust it after 37 spins and the other 50 even though its the same selection process?

And for baccarat does that formula take into account that you are going to be losing units for the banker commission? This progression applied to baccarat could be losing significant units during betting 16units per 50 hand sequence, or am I looking at this the wrong way?

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 29, 2016, 08:20:07 PMthus it hit me suddenly to use a very old and well known progression in a different way, in different scale actually!:-)
That's how the whole concept came into existence and Fallacious Holy Grail was born.

Martingale

Quote from: Denzie on February 29, 2016, 08:44:14 PM
Martingale

This actually makes logical sense..........anytime someone writes about a large number of spins, they lose all of the "get-rich-quick" crowd.

Quote from: Big EZ on February 29, 2016, 08:33:01 PM


So based on this I have another silly question....


If I/you/anyone use the same bet selection on both roulette even chances and baccarat, for one game I would need to adjust it after 37 spins and the other 50 even though its the same selection process?

And for baccarat does that formula take into account that you are going to be losing units for the banker commission? This progression applied to baccarat could be losing significant units during betting 16units per 50 hand sequence, or am I looking at this the wrong way?

Baccarat is different game from roulette that's why needs different cycle of calculations.

Banker's commision is a disadvantage but it's been compensated by the absence of a ''0''.

Let's say that there was no commission to be paid by banker's winnings but every time there was a tie you would lose your bet, whether that bet was on player's or banker's side, would that being better?

In roulette number 0 is being expected once every 37 outcomes, thus you lose 100% or 50% (le partage) of your bet every 37 results, in baccarat let's say you bet half of the total decisions on banker and from this half you are winning half of them;

So in every 37 hands you would bet 18.5 times for the banker to win, from those you win 9.25 wins and from those wins it's being deducted -2.5% from the total (-5%/2) it leads to 9.25 * 2.5 = -23.12% every 37 hands.
Of course actual results may vary, this is just an average estimation.

I don't prefer blackjack because you have only one option, you have to stick with the player's side while results are going both ways.
If you could choose from time to time to bet on dealer's cards it would be much better, also if you could skip/avoid when betting should be on the dealer and just join when the indication is clear for the player's side it would be good but not as good as having the option to bet both ways because includes a lot of waiting without betting.

What I DON'T like in both baccarat and blackjack are the automatic shuffling machines...

What I think as the best future on roulette is the option to select between 6 EC's any given time.

Craps for pass and don't pass bets has low house edge;
Let's say you bet DP half of the times 37/2 = 18.5 from these you win half 18.5/2=9.25 and 1 from those wins you don't get paid because it's a push on 12 (double 6) so that's happening once every 36 rolls and you don't lose your bet but you don't get paid if it happens during your bet on DP on come out roll.

It's tiny disadvantage for 36 results cycle but what I don't like on craps is that you cannot seat down and a single result could take many rolls, thus more time for the same results!