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BlueAngel's marthy 1234...stepping up every 37cycle,

I wonder..., 

"could yours win, if only 405/100hits???"
in whatever patterns they can appear.???

BlueAngel? You read this?

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 Let say,
in an OVERSSIMPLIFIED hypothesis.

EC sleeps for 404spins, then if we bet falt, then at 404th spin, we have -404u losses,
then we need a streak of 405win, to win 1u,

1st   spin=lose..=-1u
to
404th spin=lose=-404u.[405win/remaining=596spins]

the problem , is there still 190losing spins to tackle!
Then how are we going to "progress"???


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in whatever patterns they can appear.???
If we start betting from the 1st spin???

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I guess you weren't paying attention.  The D'Alembert like ALL progressions are failures without being able to take a measurement of losing trends and make adjustments.  My example above is just to demonstrate such an adjustment.  When one uses the -X, +X; FLAT or a variant offset it ceases to be a D'Alembert.

You can have the last word.  I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the progressions.

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           I appreciate your inputs but a demonstration over a session that starts too bad and later only gets average, will help more to establish your viewpoints as to how do you expect it to work. Every MM is good enough for an average session but I am talking of when extreme comes followed by "normal" flow of wins.
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I've always thought that you could run a progression deep enough to allow you to withstand most any negative outcome. There's an Armenian cat on a member only dice forum that has come up with what seem to be an unbreakable style of play. But, there are practical consideration in that for his style ya need a 10 000 units lifetimes bankroll and ya need to have access to tables offering the fat spread so you can make a max bet of slightly more than 800 unit. I said it again and I'll say it before, in the end it boils down to havin the balls and bankroll baby, hey hey.
It's a grind, baby, but a profitable grind, hey hey.

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...balss and bankroll baby...

No argument here.  ^-^

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I've always thought that you could run a progression deep enough to allow you to withstand most any negative outcome. There's an Armenian cat on a member only dice forum that has come up with what seem to be an unbreakable style of play. But, there are practical consideration in that for his style ya need a 10 000 units lifetimes bankroll and ya need to have access to tables offering the fat spread so you can make a max bet of slightly more than 800 unit. I said it again and I'll say it before, in the end it boils down to havin the balls and bankroll baby, hey hey.

  Can you reproduce that MM for evaluation here? If it is set to win, a bet of 1000 or a bankroll of 20k units is OK for me. Let us see that.
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  Can you reproduce that MM for evaluation here? If it is set to win, a bet of 1000 or a bankroll of 20k units is OK for me. Let us see that.

Sorry, I promised the old Armenian cat that I wouldn't divulge the beans and reveal the specific of his play. So, I can only speak generally, hey hey.
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Sorry, I promised the old Armenian cat that I wouldn't divulge the beans and reveal the specific of his play. So, I can only speak generally, hey hey.

Have you verified his claim? Can it pass through the worst of cases and winning at last?
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Sorry, I promised the old Armenian cat that I wouldn't divulge the beans and reveal the specific of his play. So, I can only speak generally, hey hey.

Can you speak about the progression and not the specific style of play
Quitting while your ahead is not the same as quitting.

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Have you verified his claim? Can it pass through the worst of cases and winning at last?

I tested his style of play bucking up against what would equal about six month of dice action and it was good for about 33 units profit per hour, hey hey.
It's a grind, baby, but a profitable grind, hey hey.

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I tested his style of play bucking up against what would equal about six month of dice action and it was good for about 33 units profit per hour, hey hey.
It better have a big return!  ROI and all that.  Deep progressions are going to have a high average bet size and therefore when win should hit a high per hour rate.

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Can you speak about the progression and not the specific style of play

The progression/mm scheme IS his style of play as he always make the same bet, hey hey.
It's a grind, baby, but a profitable grind, hey hey.

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In his latest that shrewd Seth cat show how you can win regular using the deep negative progression, hey hey.
http://targetbetting.blogspot.ca/
It's a grind, baby, but a profitable grind, hey hey.

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I simulated Seth's "Turnaround" system years ago and it was a loser. The guy makes some outrageous claims and just plain weird statements on his site,  such as the Wizard of Odds is a shill for the casinos. How can anyone who debunks gambling systems be considered a shill? A shill would be someone who PROMOTES systems, not exposes them as worthless. In other words, a shill is someone like Seth!

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                                                                              I wrote to Seth Theobeau @Ian Palmer regarding his methodology and he replied me through emails. I presented his ideas here: http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400639/Seth-Theobeau-Ian-Palmer-wisdom#.Vu6Eo-J97IU
  I simulated his ideas and as expected, it tanked badly. Reason was the wrong assumptions he based his MM upon. Unless you understand the reason of a disease, there is no chance of finding a cure.

                                                                                                        So far Wizard of Odds is considered, his site was meant to earn commission from casinos and he was also into arranging tours of LV and Macau.
     Lastly he sold his site to latestcasinobonuses.com which is the biggest affiliate of online casinos having thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of views. Topics regarding gambling were written not with the purpose of enlightening gamblers but to catch their attentions and show them links of various casinos.
                If someone think such sites are meant for any noble purposes, he needs urgent psychiatrist help. Same is the case with another very popular affiliate site: casinomiester.com .
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