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Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
« on: July 13, 2017, 03:16:49 AM »
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  • Max(esoito) started a thread on brainstorming in general discussions. He offered many of the interesting ideas that may held getting closer to win. I made my point there which he chosen to delete being specially empowered to delete as a global moderator. I have no problem with that as he quoted what I said in another thread about same topic.
                       In my long haul fight with gambling and different aspects of gambling, I encountered hundreds of ideas as to how we can best chose our bet. I worked on all despite knowing that if it is random it has to be unpredictible and hence any attempt with any logic or magic won't help me get a bet that is "better than all" in long run. Forecasting a sports bet could be somewhat realistic and can help a bit in winning but trying to predict in a random game like roulette or baccarat is simply insane. I am sorry if I am harsh to anybody thinking opposite. Flat bet winning is out of question.
     Trends, patterns, neighbours, sectors all are illusions merely. Numbers are merely different pockets totally unrelated to each other. A failed mind tries to see hope in these things knowing well that they are illusions alone. One noted author offered various imaginary figures on wheel like nuke, bowtie, pies and hell what not. I asked him how these numbers relate and even if they do how can we earn from this supreme knowledge. As expected, no justification ever offered.
               Now comes the money management part. Traditionally, all suggested money management ideas are simply disasters on their own in just a couple of tests or just by thinking rationally. One approach handles one type of variance and another type kills it instantly taking away more than it could earn being fortunate, so far.
    For example, take martingale. Say, we take a 10 step marty, it can let us win in very extreme cases and fetch 1 unit profit again and again till a 10 step loss steps in and takes away 1023 units in one go. Irreparable loss. Same is true with other MMs like labby, fibo, D'alembert, Oscar Grind or anyone else you have heard of. Silly versions of these progressions made by laymen(remember, most oldschool progressions were suggested by mathematicians) made it even foolish. A classic case is HP Johnson progression that was boasted as a panacea in another forum while it is even bad an idea and a simple mix of flat betting, labouchere and martingale which is set to fail if losses come bulked up at a particular span. I demonstrated that and that forum got so angry that I spoiled their hard earned "fool's gold". Many "innovators" are merely ignorant of what their MMs will undergo in long run due to inability to simulate.
                                     I usually do not interrupt in these topics as I have no right to frustrate each and every idea even if it is meant to harm many believers. My point is I do not want to create many new line of losers by suggesting something even I am not sure of. Remember one very important thing regarding progressions. They seek specific spots or ratio or order to win. None of them can handle all variety that can come. If you keep getting wins in your sweet spots, you win the game otherwise the same havenly progression will kill your money.
                  It doesn't mean there is no way to win. We can win a game with slight edge if we can counter the edge wisely with a very cautious progressive betting capable of handling the worst probabilities with bearable loss. I have worked on that aspect, got successful so far. Working to even better that. Playing EC bets on European roulette or "Player" in baccarat are my only choice of betselection. Although inside betting still gives me goosebumps and manageble, any EC bet with least house edge is the way to go.
                  I am aghast with one or two members here who are taking a forum as their personal facebook. They are loading where they ate, moved, farted and everything except anything even slightly valuable to a gambling community. If members are OK with this or have no other option, none can help. Frankly speaking, 90% of discussions are not even worthy of being opened to read just from the subject line.
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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #1 on: July 13, 2017, 04:44:18 AM »
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  • Remember one very important thing regarding progressions. They seek specific spots or ratio or order to win. None of them can handle all variety that can come. If you keep getting wins in your sweet spots, you win the game otherwise the same havenly progression will kill your money.
    This fact is quite important to be understood:  money management is not a silver bullet to beat everything.

    Playing EC bets on European roulette or "Player" in baccarat are my only choice of betselection. Although inside betting still gives me goosebumps and manageble, any EC bet with least house edge is the way to go.
    Interesting decision to return to EC bets.  When going back to the former bets it means there was learned wisdom . which is worth more because you no longer have the bug to try other betting paths but it is by conviction based on experience now. nothing can replace this so congratulations.
    say things directly to show respect for other people's time. Walter.

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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    This fact is quite important to be understood:  money management is not a silver bullet to beat everything.

           Rather, all these suggested money management ensures faster and bigger losses that goes irreparable too.
    A well reasoned and all seasoned money management(not only mindlessly increasing or decreasing or staying flat) will help, for sure.
                Those who say that they can win with precognition, without inculcating any money management are godsend angels. It is not doable humanly.
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    Interesting decision to return to EC bets.
               EC bets suit most to any money management. although any MM can be tweaked to fit any bet although not perfectly, EC looks a balance bet to me. I pick Player in baccarat just for the sake of simplicity and have given arguments for that in my blog earlier too. Banker bet is not suitable for any kind of progressive betting. Banker will win more statistically due to drawing rules yet it is not so good.
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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  •        Rather, all these suggested money management ensures faster and bigger losses that goes irreparable too.
    A well reasoned and all seasoned money management(not only mindlessly increasing or decreasing or staying flat) will help, for sure.
                Those who say that they can win with precognition, without inculcating any money management are godsend angels. It is not doable humanly.           EC bets suit most to any money management. although any MM can be tweaked to fit any bet although not perfectly, EC looks a balance bet to me. I pick Player in baccarat just for the sake of simplicity and have given arguments for that in my blog earlier too. Banker bet is not suitable for any kind of progressive betting. Banker will win more statistically due to drawing rules yet it is not so good.

    You are wrong on all points. I speak from a considerable experience and research when it comes to R&D of prescient software algorithms and applications in the frequency and harmonics field that can beat any given physical roulette wheel given the proper input data from spatiotemporal sensitive number generators, such as a physical roulette wheel.

    Your ideas of money management and bet selections are equally antiquated. You also fail to include the necessary indicators and variance graphs needed in this game which is easiest applied from the considerable experience of the fx- and equity market when dealing with money and complex systems of futures and options.

    For over a year now I have led a team that has provided empirical proof how easy the game of roulette is to beat once you implement above-mentioned factors. All tests have been done in live dealer Casinos under a strict protocol in order to have a correct baseline evaluation. Suffice to say the live tests from the team has till this day passed the 200,000 spin mark. Evaluated factors have been average unit return per spin during a session, return on risked capital/session, win-loss Ratio, maximum dip (losses) during any given session, a functionality of implemented stop-loss indicators, players variance curves and so on.

    The platforms created incorporating all these functions, based on the unifying principle of frequency and harmonics differentiation [1] in numerical settings, has yet to produce a single losing session, much less loss of an entire bank roll.

    I couldn┤t help but notice how you displayed a mindset in Esoito┤s recent thread that was very closed to anything beyond the purview of your own knowledge, which I have assessed as exceedingly limited. I am surprised that anyone suffering from such close-mindedness is allowed to be a moderator at betselection.cc 

    Your ideas and negative view on what basically is a positive game for those with the curiosity and willingness to research it are at best contagious on the mindset of newcomers, and at worst, creatively inhibiting on old timers looking for a fresh point of view beyond your own.




    [1] Frequency and Harmonics differentiation in numerical settings has a much in common with numerology, and other new age ideas, as Astronomy/Astrophysics has in common with astrology, which as you understand is basically none. 

    Here is a nice page on Physics of Music notes  http://www.phy.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html
    This is on a very basic ABC level but it serves my point about the limited view you seem to have on the REALITY around you and what exactly it is capable of once you gain insight and ability to read, write and speak its language under the precise laws of its "grammar".


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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  • For over a year now I have led a team that has provided empirical proof how easy the game of roulette is to beat once you implement above-mentioned factors. All tests have been done in live dealer Casinos under a strict protocol in order to have a correct baseline evaluation.

    I'm assuming that your strategy isn't reliant on "traditional" advantage play data such as ball movement, type, dealer characteristics, bias, etc, and that you use only past numbers in order to make your predictions?

    If that's the case, then I'm wondering why you need a team to test the theory. Why not just avail yourself of actual recorded spins in the public domain and write a computer simulation? It would reduce the uncertainties and inevitable errors associated with using a team of people.

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #5 on: July 13, 2017, 10:53:20 AM »
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  • Sorry, duplicated post.

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  • I'm assuming that your strategy isn't reliant on "traditional" advantage play data such as ball movement, type, dealer characteristics, bias, etc, and that you use only past numbers in order to make your predictions?

    If that's the case, then I'm wondering why you need a team to test the theory. Why not just avail yourself of actual recorded spins in the public domain and write a computer simulation? It would reduce the uncertainties and inevitable errors associated with using a team of people.

     When it comes to input data, not only previous numbers have served as a baseline for future predictions, but also dealer characteristics, bet windows and in some cases, even bias.

    Consequently, the Team served to confirm my theories, and at the same time enrich themselves both financially while learning a new field in numerical prescience. They also provided fresh new ideas and suggestions that increased improvement in the positive WL ratio which is so important in roulette.  Had I been by myself I would have surely failed if I continued my R&D in this incredibly complex area.

    As you know most roulette gamblers (and a few players), deal with apophenia. This is the very reason they inevitably lose their bankroll against the HE and of course negative variance every Casino provides. In my experience, most of these gamblers are equally ignorant of the practical impact the Law of Large (and especially) small numbers has on their game. This law, however immutable in itself, still produces anomalies that with the right tools can be detected and used in favor of the player. These anomalies cannot be detected by conventional numerical pattern detection (Apophenia), but only through the implementation of frequency and Harmonics wave differentiation.

    Consequently, as you might understand, my platforms (the above-mentioned tools) do not deal with apophenia but with the very substratum of phenomena that is frequency and Harmonics in continuous wave interference, our brains translates and experiences as color, sound, form etc. combined with probability calculus of any given prediction.

    I have written quite a few posts about it on this forum. If you check my posting history you should be able to find them and draw your own conclusions.



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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  • Ok, thanks for the reply.

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  • Quote from 'Albalaha': "Remember one very important thing regarding progressions. They seek specific spots or ratio or order to win. None of them can handle all variety that can come. If you keep getting wins in your sweet spots, you win the game otherwise the same havenly progression will kill your money".

    So, we should not bet at all because what you just said, can realistically cover anything and everything.  You double talk to the max!  You just in all essence covered great bets, sure bets, maybe bets, staying in the game, waiting to get a 'ripe' section after a turning point, anything and everything. You have become a master of double-talk.  None of anything anyone bets at anytime can handle all variety of anything that can appear.  You use words like 'ALL" and such definitive large and powerful meaning words that you paint a picture of how you are correct and never lose, the world's greatest (but actually failed website blogs and teacher yourself) and then come on and attempt to control and change Vic's board.  If it is so 'useless' and there are well over 90% (which is virtually the whole darn board) that is, as you say useless and not worthy to even read past the first sentence, well don't and post! 

    IMO, you sit in a very desolate pat of the world and you thrive to connect all day to challenge anyone having a seemingly enjoyable time or actually benefiting from Vic's board in many ways.  That was IMO and I stand behind what I said from being the recipient of years of your insults, repeated degradation and insults.


    Quote from 'Albalaha': "I am aghast with one or two members here who are taking a forum as their personal facebook. They are loading where they ate, moved, farted and everything except anything even slightly valuable to a gambling community. If members are OK with this or have no other option, none can help. Frankly speaking, 90% of discussions are not even worthy of being opened to read just from the subject line".

    What you are doing is the same as the person that does not like or desire say, hot sauce at a restaurant.  Whereas, there is a condiment counter with ketchup, mustard, salt, pepper, napkins, etc.,  There is also hot sauce and jalapenos there.  When you visit that restaurant you demand and attempt to force the owners to remove them because you find them disgusting, distasteful, whatever.  That is the exact same thing you are doing here.  There is no difference.  If you don't like it or enjoy it, stay away.  Period.

    So, simply do not read it.  Also, as in the past......stay off the Blog's which is 100% space assigned by Vic (the Owner of this board) to those members that desire to post regularly and are approved by Vic. As in my case, you have repeatedly came onto my Blog (Private Space) and chastised me and almost declared me to stop or remove things I posted.  I have sad sad news for you, you should not go onto any Blog or person's thread that you do not enjoy, feel you can benefit from or at least are interested in what they write.  The exact same as when and if you go to a library with reading and checking out books.  The same at a shopping mall with the selection and desire to go into stores to spend your time and your money.  If you do not like it--stay out.  Do you also go into stores and get upset and chastise them for their merchandise, displays and the aura of the store??  Well, do you??

    And since many other feel this way, you are obnoxious and 100% set in your ways and it most certainly has to be your way or we are all unintelligent, retarded, foolish gamblers, etc.  I thought I was a stubborn, jerk off, obnoxious person at times--but hey, you top me by far!!!!,  Seriously, my five year old even confirmed that one!
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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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  • Forecasting a sports bet could be somewhat realistic and can help a bit in winning but trying to predict in a random game like roulette or baccarat is simply insane.


    Well that's your opinion, nothing more.
    Just because you perceive reality according to your comprehension abilities doesn't mean that everybody's reality must reflect yours.

    I am sorry if I am harsh to anybody thinking opposite.


    Apology accepted.

    Flat bet winning is out of question.

    I agree on this one.

    Trends, patterns, neighbours, sectors all are illusions merely.


    You speak like some kind of gambling authority, rushing to discard everything, should we take your word as ''de facto''?
    In my point of view there is no simple yes or no answer, it depends...

    Numbers are merely different pockets totally unrelated to each other. A failed mind tries to see hope in these things knowing well that they are illusions alone.

    This is also your subjective opinion.

    One noted author offered various imaginary figures on wheel like nuke, bowtie, pies and hell what not. I asked him how these numbers relate and even if they do how can we earn from this supreme knowledge. As expected, no justification ever offered.

    You are talking about Kimo Li, why don't you be direct on your target?
    Afraid of confrontation?

    Now comes the money management part. Traditionally, all suggested money management ideas are simply disasters on their own in just a couple of tests or just by thinking rationally. One approach handles one type of variance and another type kills it instantly taking away more than it could earn being fortunate, so far.
    For example, take martingale. Say, we take a 10 step marty, it can let us win in very extreme cases and fetch 1 unit profit again and again till a 10 step loss steps in and takes away 1023 units in one go. Irreparable loss. Same is true with other MMs like labby, fibo, D'alembert, Oscar Grind or anyone else you have heard of.

    I partially agree, not all of them are the same.
    Sometimes you don't have to reinvent the wheel but rearrange your perception angle.

    Silly versions of these progressions made by laymen(remember, most oldschool progressions were suggested by mathematicians) made it even foolish. A classic case is HP Johnson progression that was boasted as a panacea in another forum while it is even bad an idea and a simple mix of flat betting, labouchere and martingale which is set to fail if losses come bulked up at a particular span. I demonstrated that and that forum got so angry that I spoiled their hard earned "fool's gold". Many "innovators" are merely ignorant of what their MMs will undergo in long run due to inability to simulate.

    HP Johnson progression is a failure indeed and there are plenty of such around the web.
    What surprises and irritates me on the same time is the amount of followers of such failures, are so many people below par IQ?  ???

    I usually do not interrupt in these topics as I have no right to frustrate each and every idea even if it is meant to harm many believers. My point is I do not want to create many new line of losers by suggesting something even I am not sure of.

    How kind of you, the gambling world is doing just fine without your hollow contributions.
    As a matter of fact I don't remember anything useful coming from you but just criticism, pessimism, negativity, empty claims, nothing of substantial value.
    Trying and failing is better than not trying at all.

    Remember one very important thing regarding progressions. They seek specific spots or ratio or order to win. None of them can handle all variety that can come. If you keep getting wins in your sweet spots, you win the game otherwise the same heavenly progression will kill your money.
    It doesn't mean there is no way to win. We can win a game with slight edge if we can counter the edge wisely with a very cautious progressive betting capable of handling the worst probabilities with bearable loss.


    To my surprise I completely I agree with this paragraph!  :o

    I have worked on that aspect, got successful so far. Working to even better that. Playing EC bets on European roulette or "Player" in baccarat are my only choice of betselection.


    Regarding EC bets, if you can do well on roulette and baccarat then you'd do even better on blackjack.
    Since you completely disregard bet selection then why not to avoid the 0's of roulette and gain extra from BJ's? (3 for 2 payout)

    Although inside betting still gives me goosebumps and manageable, any EC bet with less house edge is the way to go.

    This is also not a universal reality.

    I am aghast with one or two members here who are taking a forum as their personal facebook. They are loading where they ate, moved, farted and everything except anything even slightly valuable to a gambling community. If members are OK with this or have no other option, none can help. Frankly speaking, 90% of discussions are not even worthy of being opened to read just from the subject line.

    Unfortunately things have changed during the last few years within online gambling community, I don't know why.
    There was a time when forums flourished with new interesting ideas, constructive debates, great feedback/participation and constantly fresh registrations, now you almost see same stuff every day.
    People gradually lost their interest and motivation to participate and share, is ''trolling'' the sole reason? I think not...

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #10 on: July 13, 2017, 10:55:56 PM »
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  • Voodoo definition from the internet:

    a black religious cult practised in the Caribbean and the southern US, combining elements of Roman Catholic ritual with traditional African magical and religious rites, and characterized by sorcery and spirit possession.


    Yep. Nothing whatsoever to do with gambling.

    So Albalaha might like to enlighten us all by explaining his phrase "voodoo ideas".




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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #11 on: July 13, 2017, 11:00:57 PM »
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  • Most likely because of me, remember that thread I had with 10,000 views and all the response and humorous comments???  A couple of us went off into the Voodoo thing.  It has to be my fault.
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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #12 on: July 13, 2017, 11:08:10 PM »
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    So Albalaha might like to enlighten us all by explaining his phrase "voodoo ideas".

    Apologies for taking the liberty to reply even if that wasn't meant for me.

    I interpret the terminology ''voodoo ideas'' as unorthodox approaches, but just consider the following;
    What would the world have been without experimentation, without trial and error?
    The accumulation of generations after generation of experience expansion and knowledge evolution have shaped our level of consciousness accordingly and when the level of awareness changes the whole world follows.

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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
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    Most likely because of me, remember that thread I had with 10,000 views and all the response and humorous comments???  A couple of us went off into the Voodoo thing.  It has to be my fault.

         Alrelax, most of your thread have less than 2 replies. Do some introspection on what you do and how interesting they are to the community. A 10,000 views are looking such a big deal to you. Look at my topics and their viewership if you want a comparison that way.

                             You do not want me to speak in your topics while speaking too loudly here yourself. Hypocrisy at its worst.
    @ Magician,
                        You are self proclaimed genius of the game without providing a single stuff originated from you helping all here. You are great for yourself and your "hidden" team of genius who beat 200k spins. I have beaten over 10 million spins for your kind info, years back. Just check if you and your secret cult of players can handle tough sessions, if and when they come as I have compiled. One of them is the worst possible streak noted from a real casino as claimed by roulette30.com.

    @Esoito,
                    Buddy, all those ideas that is giving overoptimistic hopes  to you without any scientific backing like precognition, telekinesis, golden ratio of universe and any other unscientific way giving you a hope of winning more and losing less due to that force in a game of negative expectations are in the nature of a "voodoo" merely. Trying to find a built in edge in a betselection is only a futile step leading nowhere near success. That is possible with some physics/maths based proven approaches like Bias analysis on real wheels but that is not doable by everyone. "Out of box" ideas may help if they have any scientific basis. Newer things evolve if we work on something that has not been done. Churning failed ideas will yield only new set of fallacies. That is noting innovative. By the way do you believe that Voodoo works?
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    Re: Why voodoo ideas do not work in gambling
    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2017, 03:58:27 AM »
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    You are talking about Kimo Li, why don't you be direct on your target?
    Afraid of confrontation?


    It seems you are awestuck with Kimo Li's work. I asked the question on his very face in this forum itself:
    https://betselection.cc/general-discussion/my-questions-for-kimo-li/
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