Worst bet to try generally: Farthest dozen or the weakest dozen in roulette

Gizmotron · June 27, 2023, 03:05:00 PM

Quote from: KungFuBac on June 27, 2023, 02:32:04 PMNathan Detroit poster

He posts over at the forum where I posted the Reading Randomness theory thread and where you have the supporting practice software for free download. He's been a John Patrick fan for decades. His big thing is one-liners. It's irritating to many readers over there. He never explains anything. John Patrick has written many books on gambling. JP sucks at explaining trends and patterns and never suggests that they only work some of the times. The trick is in knowing when they are working. The pit bosses know when they are working. They always come around to see the action.

alrelax · June 27, 2023, 04:19:35 PM

Bingo. Spot on. Exactly. "The trick is in knowing when they are working. The pit bosses know when they are working. They always come around to see the action."

I had 4 great nights consecutively, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Sunday it wasn't working, stopped early. Will define it all with sample pictures I snapped and posted under my thread, 'Actual Shoes of Baccarat in B&M Casinos'.

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11423.msg71245;topicseen#msg71245

Albalaha · June 28, 2023, 05:19:24 PM

"Up and Pull" as the name suggests has a limit set in advance of winning. As you suggested a 7 step progression where you keep a portion of winning and bet the rest. First of all my bet is not an EC bet but two dozens or like bets. Secondly, I am up for a very long and big win. Yesterday I got a dozen sleeper for about 19 times and after a win again for 9 times before a WLW came and end the streak.
I want some progression that could exploit such cases fully. Anything else that could help winning better?

Gizmotron · June 29, 2023, 06:38:02 AM

Quote from: Albalaha on June 28, 2023, 05:19:24 PMYesterday I got a dozen sleeper for about 19 times and after a win again for 9 times before a WLW came and end the streak.
I want some progression that could exploit such cases fully. Anything else that could help winning better?

I was just trying to illustrate the idea of up & pull. I have one for double dozens and sleeping dozens. I think I posted it already. It's also Up & Pull based. You just take a little off as you go on winning.

So it goes like this:

$200 ( $100 & $100 )
$300 ( $150 & $150 )
$450 ( $225 & $225 )
$675 ( $337.50 & $337.50 )
$1012.50 ( $506.25 & $506.25 )

Just take this and make it 1 to 4 steps for Up & Pull.

Gizmotron · June 29, 2023, 03:02:12 PM

Like this:
first step -- $400 ( $200 & $200 ) $200 for each dozen, take off $100 on first win

second step -- $500 ( $250 & $250 ) $250 for each dozen, take off $100 on second win

third step -- $$600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off $150 on third win

fourth step -- $$700 ( $350 & $350 ) $350 for each dozen, take off $200 on fourth win

fifth step -- $$700 ( $350 & $350 ) $350 for each dozen, take off $300 on fifth win

sixth step -- $600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off $300 on sixth win

seventh step -- $$600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off everything, $900

on first bet -$400 in game
on second bet -$300 in game
on third bet -$50 in game
on fourth bet +$150 in pocket
on fifth bet +$450 in pocket
on sixth bet +$750 in pocket
on seventh bet +$1650 in pocket

Albalaha · June 30, 2023, 04:26:30 PM

Check this session. You can see that second dozen is hitting too low in the last 22 spins. Only two wins.
I get better cases than this. What could win it most?

Gizmotron · July 01, 2023, 02:11:47 AM

QuoteYou can see that second dozen is hitting too low in the last 22 spins. Only two wins.
I get better cases than this. What could win it most?

I took your spins and entered them into my double dozen practice software so that I could use visual dexterity to see what you mean.

| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13

I get 23 spins with the middle dozen only hitting 2 times.
I also get the first 10 spins in the columns hitting as singles.
The primes hit as singles for the last 24 spins too.
The first 12 in the dozens go on a streak of singles. for more than 20 spins.

It takes two winning bets to pay for each losing bet at the same price. What if your session goal is to win just three net wins where you bet 24 numbers and you quit the session in the aggregate of three net wins?

Here is the full chart for a lot more spins. You can look down the columns of the groupings for your spins and see all kinds of opportunities.

| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 28
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 15
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 34
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 25
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 8

Gizmotron · July 01, 2023, 02:17:31 AM

Here it is in a proportional font so that the columns line up better:

| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 28
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 15
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 34
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 25
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 8

wow, the 1st dozen has a streak of more than 60 spins where they hit as singles. Now that is a money maker.

ADulay · July 20, 2023, 08:10:37 PM

Just ran that posted graphic in message #20 to see how it runs out flat betting while I was being bored to death in the doctor's office. Luckily they had paper and pencil available and an available cubicle for me to fritter away my time.

Running the Columns it came out to +27.
Running the Boxes it came out to +24.

Long periods of missing components is ALWAYS a good scene to play, at least for me.

Longest losing streak was 3, twice and it didn't come on the two zeros that came up back to back.

As the doctor never did get around to seeing me, I left once the roulette paperwork was finished.

AD

ADulay · July 21, 2023, 07:28:17 PM

I tried to edit that previous message but was not able to find an icon to do so.

Wanted to say that those were double dozens and columns that were being played.

AD

KungFuBac · July 23, 2023, 01:19:12 AM

I "think" the edit /upload pics feature is temporarily disabled while Vic is doing upgrade. I tried to upload a pic and had issues. Prior to the last few days we could post an item and if we needed to edit or add a pic we could A)Open initial post, and B) click on the MORE button to the Right-Bottom of the initial post and then see that option(i.e., To edit or add pic).

Maybe Vic or alrelax will chime in here.

Continued Success,

alrelax · July 23, 2023, 02:25:22 AM

There does not seem to be any problems. I went into one of my posts and added a reply, posted, went back in and added a picture, same way you described. I emailed Vic to confirm.

KungFuBac · July 23, 2023, 03:15:26 AM

Ok/thx alrelax for prompt reply. Everything worked perfectly.

To clarify my above post: Upon clicking on the MORE button, then click on MODIFY, then edit,add, or whatever u want to the initial post.

Cheers,

alrelax · July 23, 2023, 03:26:00 AM

Always works best in my opinion, to post all the texts first save it posted. Then go back in and press More, Modify, Add Attachment (pressing Choose button) and post pictures or link by going to your photo library or taking a picture, etc.

ADulay · July 23, 2023, 07:46:15 PM

When I click on the "More" icon all it shows is "Report to Moderator" as my choice.

AD

Edit.... OK, on this message I do get the list to edit or modify but not on the earlier messages.