I have observed this for too long and hence sharing this with you. This is not backed by any statistical observation or upon any principal of probability but playing the weakest dozen ( a dozen which is hitting at 5/20 or even worse) looks very bad to me. That usually happens when 3-4 numbers of a dozen remains sleeper and rest of the numbers remain either average or below average. Even if a single number of that dozen is hot, it can not help much by itself.
We all know that a single dozen could remain sleeper for even 40 spins and could reach hit rate of even 6/60, trying that is not wise. Maybe it helps someone playing safer.
Thx albalaha
"...We all know that a single dozen could remain sleeper for even 40 spins and could reach hit rate of even 6/60, trying that is not wise. Maybe it helps someone playing safer...."
Interesting observation/thx
Continued Success,
Any bet smaller than that could go even bad for longer. We have seen the fate of #3 in zumma book of roulette with 15k spins.
This omnipotent phenomenon of one dozen/column going laggard could be exploited to win huge betting rest of two dozens/columns which are pretty active with a parlay type safe progression, clever enough to handle some fluctuations. One can rather break the bank with this.
Recently, in a session of mine, a dozen hit after 24 spins and missed another 9 spins before getting another hit. A simple progression player on a dozen could commit suicide getting such bad streak but I made one of the biggest win of my life with that.
I am very much focussed on exploiting such things in an organized manner. I have got casinos with 10-500,000 units table limits online.Working on it to make it one of the most potent weapons against casinos. This thing did not work as well with EC bets and could take forever to win big, that way. Could be tried against smaller bets than a dozen, for sure.
I've had very good success with running two columns for repeats.
Only change after two losses and continue on with the most recent two columns.
Simple and efficient, even flat betting when getting accustomed to it.
AD
Holy cow! You guys are still at it. Even ADulay, of BeatTheCasino "fame". I wonder whatever happened to old Silly. Ha. :scared:
Has anyone ever tried/read somewhere about reverse labouchere for two dozens/columns? I would appreciate if anyone can provide the link of that or explain the methodology(even in its crudest form). If it is nowhere, I would devise one myself.
Hey Garnabby. Long time no see.
Good to see you around again.
AD
What about a "let it ride" long shot? Let's say you speculate on a sleeping dozen to last let's say 5 times in a row. Very common at times.
So you bet $100 on one awake dozen and $100 on the other awake dozen.
So you let the winnings ride.
So it goes like this:
$200 ( $100 & $100 )
$300 ( $150 & $150 )
$450 ( $225 & $225 )
$675 ( $337.50 & $337.50 )
$1012.50 ( $506.25 & $506.25 )
Total after fifth win equals $1518.75
If the only Reading Randomness skill you know is the sleeping dozen or sleeping column then the above positive progression is all you need. You can figure your own way to see the sleeping 12 numbers. It can be your own method.
Mark,
Thanks for your inputs and the rider progression suggestion. My point is, when we play two most active dozens/columns or anything alike and it comes like 8 wins followed by 1 loss, then 11 wins followed by 1 loss and then 5 wins followed by 1 loss or anything alike, how to frame our positive progression to optimize the wins, specially when table limit allows bets from 10 units to 100k units?
Quote from: Albalaha on June 25, 2023, 07:28:26 AMhow to frame our positive progression to optimize the wins,
I have done this in a way that minimises the likelihood that you will stop before a lost bet, one that kills the progression, before it will occur. I stop at 5 steps. Now if you see a swarm of 3's or 4's in a row then it is logical to stop on 3 or 4 in a row, respectively. I observe the conditions. They tell you what to conform to.
Mark,
You are not getting my point. I have seen one dozen getting too bad for even 80-100 spins when it hits below even 1/4th. In such cases, I can close riding when I get WW or WLW of the leftover dozen/column but if before that we have 18 wins followed by 1 loss then 8 wins followed by 1 loss, 5 wins followed by 1 loss and so on of my two dozens/columns, I could extract far bigger win and also can stop at a reasonable correction. As I said earlier, I have got access of table from 10 units to even 500k units. Which progression you know of that can do the best in the given cases?
Quote from: Albalaha on June 26, 2023, 02:50:47 PMWhich progression you know of that can do the best in the given cases?
That's simple. It's John Patricks "Up & Pull." The first move is steep. You see Nathan Detroit always talking about 2, 1, 2, 3 etc... The idea is to take a little off as you go upward and onward.
I like this idea. You use a base value for each step of a seven layered Martingale. Say it's $10. So the first bet would be $70. You let one of the $10 ride for one win in a row. So on a win all $70 wins on an EC bet. You take off $20 and let the rest ride. So $120 rides to the next win. That takes you up to $240 where you now take off $40 more for the second step winner. You get a third step winner and your $200 in the game now becomes $400. You take off $80 and are now in profit with four more steps to go.
The fourth winner in a row would be from $320 to $640 where you "Up & Pull" $160. You have $480 in the game now for step 5. $480 becomes $960 and you take off $320 with the sixth level winner. Now for the last, the seventh level, the last $10 of the original $70, You have $640 in the game. It wins and you take out the last $1,280. This is what I mean by an Up & Pull, as you go along progression
Good explanation Gizmotron. Good clarity on explaining the progression.
Im always an advocate for a pospro as one can erase many base unit misses with a small clump of Ws.
Is the Nathan Detroit poster u mention a book author or youtuber?? as I couldn't find him.
Continued Success,
Quote from: KungFuBac on June 27, 2023, 02:32:04 PMNathan Detroit poster
He posts over at the forum where I posted the Reading Randomness theory thread and where you have the supporting practice software for free download. He's been a John Patrick fan for decades. His big thing is one-liners. It's irritating to many readers over there. He never explains anything. John Patrick has written many books on gambling. JP sucks at explaining trends and patterns and never suggests that they only work some of the times. The trick is in knowing when they are working. The pit bosses know when they are working. They always come around to see the action.
Bingo. Spot on. Exactly. "The trick is in knowing when they are working. The pit bosses know when they are working. They always come around to see the action."
I had 4 great nights consecutively, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Sunday it wasn't working, stopped early. Will define it all with sample pictures I snapped and posted under my thread, 'Actual Shoes of Baccarat in B&M Casinos'.
https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11423.msg71245;topicseen#msg71245
"Up and Pull" as the name suggests has a limit set in advance of winning. As you suggested a 7 step progression where you keep a portion of winning and bet the rest. First of all my bet is not an EC bet but two dozens or like bets. Secondly, I am up for a very long and big win. Yesterday I got a dozen sleeper for about 19 times and after a win again for 9 times before a WLW came and end the streak.
I want some progression that could exploit such cases fully. Anything else that could help winning better?
Quote from: Albalaha on June 28, 2023, 05:19:24 PMYesterday I got a dozen sleeper for about 19 times and after a win again for 9 times before a WLW came and end the streak.
I want some progression that could exploit such cases fully. Anything else that could help winning better?
I was just trying to illustrate the idea of up & pull. I have one for double dozens and sleeping dozens. I think I posted it already. It's also Up & Pull based. You just take a little off as you go on winning.
So it goes like this:
$200 ( $100 & $100 )
$300 ( $150 & $150 )
$450 ( $225 & $225 )
$675 ( $337.50 & $337.50 )
$1012.50 ( $506.25 & $506.25 )
Just take this and make it 1 to 4 steps for Up & Pull.
Like this:
first step -- $400 ( $200 & $200 ) $200 for each dozen, take off $100 on first win
second step -- $500 ( $250 & $250 ) $250 for each dozen, take off $100 on second win
third step -- $$600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off $150 on third win
fourth step -- $$700 ( $350 & $350 ) $350 for each dozen, take off $200 on fourth win
fifth step -- $$700 ( $350 & $350 ) $350 for each dozen, take off $300 on fifth win
sixth step -- $600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off $300 on sixth win
seventh step -- $$600 ( $300 & $300 ) $300 for each dozen, take off everything, $900
on first bet -$400 in game
on second bet -$300 in game
on third bet -$50 in game
on fourth bet +$150 in pocket
on fifth bet +$450 in pocket
on sixth bet +$750 in pocket
on seventh bet +$1650 in pocket
Check this session. You can see that second dozen is hitting too low in the last 22 spins. Only two wins.
I get better cases than this. What could win it most?
(https://i.ibb.co/37RgyMZ/Screenshot-81.png) (https://ibb.co/JK3DRyJ)
QuoteYou can see that second dozen is hitting too low in the last 22 spins. Only two wins.
I get better cases than this. What could win it most?
I took your spins and entered them into my double dozen practice software so that I could use visual dexterity to see what you mean.
| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13
I get 23 spins with the middle dozen only hitting 2 times.
I also get the first 10 spins in the columns hitting as singles.
The primes hit as singles for the last 24 spins too.
The first 12 in the dozens go on a streak of singles. for more than 20 spins.
It takes two winning bets to pay for each losing bet at the same price. What if your session goal is to win just three net wins where you bet 24 numbers and you quit the session in the aggregate of three net wins?
Here is the full chart for a lot more spins. You can look down the columns of the groupings for your spins and see all kinds of opportunities.
| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 28
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 15
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 34
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 25
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 8
Here it is in a proportional font so that the columns line up better:
| 1 2 3 | A B C | 0 3 6 | P |
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 21
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 13
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 28
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 15
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 36
| X | X | X | | -- 34
| X | X | X | | -- 25
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | P | -- 5
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 27
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | | -- 7
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 22
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | | -- 26
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 32
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 10
| X | X | X | P | -- 17
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | P | -- 3
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | | -- 35
| X | X | X | | -- 29
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 12
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | | -- 14
| X | X | X | | -- 16
| X | X | X | | -- 25
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
|-------------------| X | P | -- 37
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 24
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 9
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 8
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 19
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | P | -- 4
| X | X | X | P | -- 31
| X | X | X | P | -- 2
| X | X | X | | -- 20
| X | X | X | | -- 23
| X | X | X | P | -- 18
| X | X | X | P | -- 11
| X | X | X | P | -- 1
| X | X | X | | -- 30
| X | X | X | | -- 33
| X | X | X | | -- 8
wow, the 1st dozen has a streak of more than 60 spins where they hit as singles. Now that is a money maker.
Just ran that posted graphic in message #20 to see how it runs out flat betting while I was being bored to death in the doctor's office. Luckily they had paper and pencil available and an available cubicle for me to fritter away my time.
Running the Columns it came out to +27.
Running the Boxes it came out to +24.
Long periods of missing components is ALWAYS a good scene to play, at least for me.
Longest losing streak was 3, twice and it didn't come on the two zeros that came up back to back.
As the doctor never did get around to seeing me, I left once the roulette paperwork was finished.
AD
I tried to edit that previous message but was not able to find an icon to do so.
Wanted to say that those were double dozens and columns that were being played.
AD
I "think" the edit /upload pics feature is temporarily disabled while Vic is doing upgrade. I tried to upload a pic and had issues. Prior to the last few days we could post an item and if we needed to edit or add a pic we could A)Open initial post, and B) click on the MORE button to the Right-Bottom of the initial post and then see that option(i.e., To edit or add pic).
Maybe Vic or alrelax will chime in here.
Continued Success,
There does not seem to be any problems. I went into one of my posts and added a reply, posted, went back in and added a picture, same way you described. I emailed Vic to confirm.
Ok/thx alrelax for prompt reply. Everything worked perfectly.
To clarify my above post: Upon clicking on the MORE button, then click on MODIFY, then edit,add, or whatever u want to the initial post.
Cheers,
Always works best in my opinion, to post all the texts first save it posted. Then go back in and press More, Modify, Add Attachment (pressing Choose button) and post pictures or link by going to your photo library or taking a picture, etc.
When I click on the "More" icon all it shows is "Report to Moderator" as my choice.
AD
Edit.... OK, on this message I do get the list to edit or modify but not on the earlier messages.