All I can say, is OMG! Started at 9 PM and Finished at 4:15 AM. Three shoes. Fortune 7s, Panda 8s and a 3 Card 8-9. Against all odds at times, cashed out twice and walked away and turned right back, against countless things I wrote and stand for, especially after cashing out and leaving.
Three words, Won. Won and Won. Won, gave it back and then won and won. I have plenty of pictures and will download, resize and post tonight. Most of the side wagers/Bonus wagers were with $25 as a min, but many were with $75 and $100 each. Yes, the dealer lost all of the tables purple chips.
Lots of classic moves and then lots of the exact opposite.
I am hurting today, about 1 and a half hour sleep. What a session, what a great session. And I did this last night because of the great email I got from AsymB, thank you buddy! Those few sentences sent me out with the song I love in my mind, Burning Down the House.
Quote from: alrelax on May 24, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
I am hurting today, about 1 and a half hour sleep. What a session, what a great session. And I did this last night because of the great email I got from AsymB, thank you buddy! Those few sentences sent me out with the song I love in my mind, Burning Down The House.
Reminds me of one of my favourites along similar lines.
We seen Elton John at Caesars Palace 2 times a few years ago in Vegas, Elton John, Rod Stewart and that lady from Canada (forgot her name) was the three rotating main liners in the event center there for a couple of years. We saw Elton John twice and Rod Stewart once.
But no doubt, Elton John is one of the greats.
Last night was burning down the house. I have some great pictures I will be posting later with BetSelection in mind at the time. I think I have at least 7 or 8 good pictures of the table and the board. >:D :o
Quote from: alrelax on May 24, 2019, 01:46:04 PM
I am hurting today, about 1 and a half hour sleep. What a session, what a great session. And I did this last night because of the great email I got from AsymB, thank you buddy! Those few sentences sent me out with the song I love in my mind, Burning Down the House.
Greeeaaat job buddy!! :thumbsup:
I like that song too...
Now do not try to give the money back. :-)
Soon it'll come a day when casinos will be forced to treat baccarat as black jack as every single bet they are offering is 100% beatable.
as.
I hear you. But that's where I do excel and I've written about it , it's called my levels and plateaus. And after a good win I revert back to my same plateau and my level and I adhere to it.
And if a larger one comes along, i capitalize on it but then I revert right back to where I was at and that way I always hold it and I exclude it from going into my bank roll and building it bigger and bigger and playing larger and larger because that will grind you down no matter how or what you are or what you follow.
And by the way that is exactly what happened to H Money.
Nostalgic post. The lady from Canada is Celine Dion and she is at least as big as Elton and Rod but that comment cements the view that ?America is the world or at least the centre of the world? to most Americans! I used to visit Vegas; Caesars, MGM Bellagio Wynn. I remembered attending a Celine new year eve?s performance. My heart will go on, The power of love, Because you love me. Wonderful night. Caesars hosted a dinner and their table wine was a Lafite 1961! The decadence is unbelievable.
Yesterday when I was young...
I didn't Google it, I could have found her name. NI just forgot her name we also seenCher there many times at least three times I believe but I just remember the Celine Dion the Elton John and the Rod Stewart for several years they were headlining for every two or three months each one but we always call her the lady from Canada she's great and she was huge no disrespect and Elton John is not from America although we would like to claim him!
Play it all night last night until 4:30 am-3 shoes took from 9 pm to 4.30am. took all night one had 15 players streak I believe followed by a 16 Bank Streak. Another shoe had 5 Fortune 7s like the other night except most of them we're with the third card being a five on top of the two for the banker I'll post pictures of all of this either later tonight or first thing in the morning I have to catch up on other things I have to do got some good pictures of most of it.
Posting a recap of the past few nights today, stand by.
All I can say is the exact things we have talked about as well as the complete opposite of what should have been at times.
Bottom line is, any one thought belief will win and lose the exact same winnings. I will post the pictures I promised and write about it. We could not belief what was happening as well as the dealers and floor people. Stand by guys.
Probably here comes more argument with, how did you know, or your decision is only guessing, or you could have lost your wagers, and all forms of those because we do not play the grind way with 7 or 9 or 14 columns of long and drawn out formulas to attempt the 6 or 10 or 12 units of what is assumed mathematically advantaged play, that takes a large amount of shoes. Nope, we play for large profit as compared to our risk capital of our buy-in money. And when we win some units on B or P, yes we will attempt those initial wins on F-7s or P-8s or 3 card 8-9s or Natural 8/9s or any 8/7s, etc., etc. Getting 25 to 1 to 200 to 1 is extremely notifiable!
We play with looking for favorable conditions, comparing and defining 2 or 3 or 4 events that have happened, not happened or have historical event to happen in most all shoes. We play with it, against it, etc. (AsymB, and others know exactly what I am saying).
As I have stated numerous times in the past about F-7s, shoes have on the norm, 1 or 2, however depending on the way things are going, the numbers of - 10/+10 to -20/+20 as well as low ties (which to me are 0-1-2-3 ties) as well as the position of the shoe where the first 1 or 2 F7s happened, there might be 3 and if there are there with certain conditions I mentioned herein, there is a great chance there will be 4 or 5. We had 2 out of the 3 shoes the other night with 5 F-7s each! We each had between $25.00 and $100.00 on them. It happens and it happens with conditions present the highest amount of times. The key is the conditions being recognized and actually present.
Sorry guys, Memorial Day Weekend, the restaurant and bar are super crowded and we threw a special with free meals and drinks to Vets and their families with the support of several businesses in our small town. I am trying to post this stuff and here is just the start
Here is our first three card 8-9, we already took half the dealers rack of chips, by the next shoe they had to stop the game and wait for security to come in with a chip fill.
My friend to the left of me had 4 nickels on the 3 card 8-9 for a $4,000.00 pay out, I had 3 nickles on it for the $3,000.00 pay out.
This was only the start of a great 3 days playing. First picture is her pay-out, second picture is mine.
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Here is what happened, and it happened because of camaraderie what so many demean and chastise me about mentioning. But without camaraderie at the table, this three card 8-9 would have not been wagered on by the 3 of us playing and the three of us hit it with a great win.
The story for this is as follows: We wagered on the 8-9 for that shoe, probably somewhere around 10 times so far. It was going on hand 62. The lady to my left stops the game. Walks around to the board and runs her finger on the second line of the Bead Plate all the way across. Says, look, every single Banker was a natural. Not a single Banker win without it being a natural. Lets all go with $15 or $20 on the 3 card 8-9 and a large Banker wager. The guy to the right of me says, your full of S**t. I told him come on, just appease her she really is a good player and hits a lot of her F-7s, P-8s and numerous 3 card 8-9s and other bonus wagers. He throws up a nickel on it and wagers on the Players side. He has a $1,000.00 wager on Player and the rest of us went with Bankers. She looks at him and tells him to wager on the Banker side. He says no. She keeps on and on and on. The dealer knows us all as we are all known players there. He is laughing and the floor comes over and says what's up? The dealer tells him we are all crazy but no problem. The floor walks away. Finally the cards are dealt. The lone Player throws up his total of 3 for the first two cards. The lady has a multi thousand dollar wager and is a bit higher than mine. She gets the cards and slides me one and tells me to look first. I look and see the line and tell her she needs something big like a 3 line card or a 4 line with only one pip. She looks and throws it in saying same as yours. She knew my lingo as we have played at the same table for years.
The guy to the right of me gets his third card and is peeking and peeling it. Throws it in and says, there beat that I got a total of 8. The lady looks at me and says, do not worry we are getting a 9. We will hit the 3 card 8-9 and we will also win our Banker bet while Mr. Know It All losses. He is laughing, gets up and throws his hands up in the air. He says, this lady is full of s**t out loud and I look at her. I put my first finger over my lips and tell her to be quite. I know the way she is. She can get loud, real loud.
So the dealer starts to pull the 3rd card for the Banker and just before he did, she stopped him and asked him to call the floor over. The dealer said why? She said to verify. The dealer hunched his eyebrows and once again said why. She said to verify because it is coming. And he still looked puzzled. The lady yells out, floor! Hey floor come over to verify. Real loud. The floor comes over and says to verify what. She says to verify the pay out for the 3 card 8-9 coming. Yes, the floor knows us well. He stands there to the right of the dealer and crosses his arms. The lady tells him to move over to the other side please. The guy to my right says, can we get on with this please.
Now the lady is like getting mad at the guy with the Players side wager as he was pointing to the board saying how the Banker would not be getting a natural and at the same time losing. She said, it aint over until its over. The guy is saying, it will be over real soon. The lady tells the dealer to go ahead and pull the card and then jumps up and waves her hand for him to stop. She tells the floor that she does not want to get the card and she wants the floor to flip it. The floor says he can not do that. Then she said, she has seen the floor people once in awhile take the place of a dealer when the dealer has to get up real get quick and go to the bathroom or fix their contacts, etc. The floor tells the dealer to wait and walks over to the phone and calls someone. She keeps saying the 9 is coming, the 9 is coming. She was hell bent on the floor to flip the card and that was that. The floor comes back and tells the dealer to get up and stand aside. The floor sits down and asked her if she was ready.
Floor pulls the card and flips it. The card is the 9 you see in the picture below. BEAUTIFUL! A 3 card 8-9., we won the wager and the bonus wager. The floor goes to get up and just as he is about to get up, she says, take the losing bet and then get up. LOL. The lady is too much, but the guy started it with his rude comments so I did not say anything. The floor took the guys losing Players side wager and then got up and told the dealer to pay the Banker side and pay the 8-9 winning wagers. He walked stepped back and watched.
Here is a picture of the board after hand 61 before 62. You can see the Bead Plate here.
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This is one of my, money for the children, wagers. I choose the Players side with a $400.00 wager. Won it and set it aside locked up. The purple is win money and the money to the is my set aside for the bonus wagers, also win money.
Link: https://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/do-what-is-right!-where-do-you-stand-where-do-you-sit/msg66660/#msg66660 which will explain my thoughts and helping children whom are underprivileged.
That is the way I play baccarat. Like it or not. We win and when we win, we win with hundreds of units of profit. Not a grind with 6 or 8 or 10 to survive.
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Cashing out $6,500.00 instead of keeping it on the table in temptation and playing bigger and bigger and larger and larger and getting sucked in! I have wrote about this and this is adhering to my Levels and Plateaus.
All part of my money management method that works and works well! (Since I have been chastised and ridiculed with writing fiction and telling stories by a few on here as well as the other boards, I thought of documenting some of my play with some pictures, that is what you are seeing).
One of the Asian guys whom is a pretty big player won all kinds of money and got sucked in with continuous large bets and lost it all while we were all winning, he just played harder and harder and lost it all. While the rest of us just leveled out and maintained our regular plateaus instead of a continual increase.
I left for a little bit, went to Western Union and sent my family some extra cash, paid my bills, put money orders away and bought my little boy an IPad Pro and a bunch of books he wants for his birthday in July. Done deal.
Return to casino and play at my previous level with another buy in.
Here is the picture of my cash out the first time:
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Then we took a ride and switched casino for a few hours. We walked into a new gold mine. We saw it and we saw it clearly. Here is the board we walked in on hand 44 and we finished right after the 11th Player win.
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The one Banker came out after the 4 naturals 9s straight in a row for the Players. The one Banker was formed from the Player having 5 and the Banker 0. Player pulls a 5 and the Banker pulls an Ace. Player fizzles with everyone pressing and wagering heavy on the Players side. We went on the Banker side after that had happened and of course it was another Player. We stuck on Banker side and went heavy. Banker came out. We stuck on the Banker. The a natural Banker and then a 9/9 tie. My buddy was hell bent on playing the chop like the while table was. I told him no and i pushed his bet down. I told him stay on Banker do not switch it up. The whole table, better than 10 players all heavy on the Players, every single one of them. Every hand saying, I cannot believe it and getting themselves all flustered and really mad, convincing themselves they had it all figured out. The four natural Banker hands were all natural 8s. We lost the last one with the Natural for the Player side coming out. Then a Natural for the Banker. At this point everyone was 100% convinced of Banker streak or at least a few Bankers coming. I was not, I thought chop or a Player streak of 6 or 7 maybe 8.
We both wagered heavy on the Players side and it stuck as you well see. Every hand not a natural was beating the Banker with a 3rd card addition to 8 or 9 and if the Banker drew, with a reduction to 0 or near 0. We hit them all and lost only the last one. While almost everyone doubled and Marty galore almost every wager hoping to change the shoe. LOL!
You cannot fight what is coming out and presented. Rule number 1.
As soon as the one Banker came out, I took my win and had to yell at my buddy and force him to take his and leave to go cash out. He wanted to play. This is the Asian guy from the other casino that lost all his winnings because of his greed and stupidity. He got back all his win with the past 10 hands or so.
Now we are back at the casino with the Bad Beat EZ Bac game. Not much sleep. The Asian guy got his winnings back and the Asian girl is ready to go once again. It is late like midnight. We said that we would play a couple hours max. But we are slow, real slow, it is just the 3 of us and the casino is pretty quite, most people waiting for Sunday and Monday but we all hate to play the holidays as most people just get sucked in, over and over. We are all up a considerable amount of win money and we all know each other. We know each others weaknesses and strengths with the game.
So we are back at the Bad Beat Bac game now. We start the shoe. The Asian guy will not bet, he waits and waits. The Asian lady and myself are wagering and deciding on the chop only. We hit the first 6 and lost to the first 2nd line hit, which was the Banker as you can see.
I like the F-7 in the first 10 hands and if not in the first 10, I like the 13th to 17th hand as I have previously wrote about. So, we stick on Banker and the Asian guy now jumps in on Banker as well. We hit the 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th hands which are all Bankers. We get to the 17th hand and I am telling them F-7. I feel it and sure enough it comes. We all had $75 to $100 on the F-7. We just hit all the Bankers, we are feeling it. Please note the 4 naturals for the Bankers and when those naturals came out.
We stick on Banker and lose the next one when it cuts to Player with a Natural and then we win the Banker once more. We are hell bent like stupid puppy dogs chasing a dog biscuit held by its owner in circles! We all said heavy Banker, Banker by far and large. We lost the clear pattern of the exact match to the Bankers 4 recent 4 naturals with the 3 in a row for the mini bank streak. We lost every hand with the natural Player wins. We were clearly going on tilt! We could not see it or feel it.
Even a dealer told us to stop playing, in fact he pleaded with us. Because we take care of the dealers with lots of side wagers, especially on the F-7s and we were hitting them and the keep their tips/wagers, so $200 and $400 times 2 or 3 at a clip is huge money to the dealers.
We are hell bent on the Bankers making a huge comeback and we frustrate ourselves. Then we all go towards tilt and we swear the Banker is going to be strong and dominate. We wager heavy on Banker and then the Naturals for Players come out in the same exact order to match those for the Banker that happened a few hands earlier. We are all clearly leaning towards going on tilt! We are mad and we are on the wrong path!
We stop the game, we look at the board, we talk about the numbers, we point and talk about the matching of naturals and all that. We are either going to smack the heck out of the casino or lose all our win money. We look at each other, we high five, we reinforce ourselves and we go get something to drink. The dealer assures us they will went for us to get back, even if someone else sits down, they will make them wait for us.
We went to the self serve drink area and we talked away from the table. The Asian lady and myself said Players wagering when we go back. The Asian guy was like no, Bankers. We talked and talked. The Asian guy agreed to wager Players as well. No one against each other, just play together.
We got back to the table and we all went Players with Panda 8s and F-7 wagers as well as 3 card 8-9 wagers and the Asian lady and I was also on the Any Natural 9/8 wager bonus wagers.
Here is what happened:
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So we hit 12 Players along with one Panda 8 within that streak as well. Still low ties, another clear indicator that bonuses happen as well as strong/sticking patterns/trends. Again, I have wrote about all this in the past which most of you highly doubt and continually challenge and label as sheer guessing games. But in reality, it is not. It is opportunity that presents itself and opportunity that is capitalized on by those with non medicinal wagering beliefs.
We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt. We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired. We are playing slow, real slow. We played for the shoe to even out, too strong. We called it right with the 1s and 2s. We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken. The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc. We all got up and this point and went to cash out. The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill. We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage,
That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned. We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it. We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack.
We played one more shoe. Like I said we were dead tired, real tired and past two days without more than 1 hour, maybe 2 hours of sleep. We all own business several hours from this casino and we all needed to be somewhere in a few hours.
Here are some pictures from that shoe as well:
Here is a Nat 9 over a Nat 8 within that Players streak, yes i know it looks like I was on Banker, but no---the dealer just paid me and i puled my wager down which was within the Players wagering box of course, you are seeing the win paid out and place above my wager I pulled down. I did not think it was going to do that and I wagered the $100.00 off to the side the dealer had to spread out as a tip for the dealer. In the dealers hand is the Asian guys win waiting to be passed to him which the guy put a quarter out for the dealer, so that is the red chips in the dealers hand, just when there is a lot of dealers wagers out there, they need to wait for the floor to say okay before paying, he paid mine then the floor turned around to take care of something else.
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Setting myself up with some red for the bonus bets and some green too. I play the bonus wagers the majority of the times with win money, not risk money. I set aside a certain amount for numerous chances. It is part of my money management method. It is real, this is reality. Sorry guys to bust your mathematical and formula efforts of the grind. I play to smack the casino and we do more than we lose.
This is extremely time consuming to post and downloads pictures and once again, I feel it is all a waste of time. But I felt the need to do it this once because of all the rude and obnoxious comments by the haters and the players that post their negative rubbish. While they demean, humiliate and chastise my previous posts and explanations, etc. The real protocol to how to play baccarat, IMO.
Like I said, a winning Players wager and putting it aside for upcoming F-7s and three card 8-9s, etc.:
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And here is another shoe. The one that floored us. 5 Fortune 7 once again. Four of them with the third card for the Banker being a 4. WOW! Never saw that before. The winning card for a bonus wager 4 times in a row out of 5, the same number and being a 4 to boot for the 4 times! WOW. Here are at least three pictures of it along with the board.
I will not post these many pictures and explanations in the future because of the lack of interest and concern and related negativity from members. IMO, most of you have no idea how to capitalize on the great opportunities that are there at the casino these days.
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Being paid to my spot:
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H-Money sitting in a few hands, just passing by the casino but had to run his family waiting to go somewhere out of state for the holidays. He won a quick $4,500.00 or so in a few hands. Here:
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Here is another one with a 4 for the 3rd Banker card to win another F-7 wager. Table max on it is $100.00, i wagered $95.00 and $5.00 for the dealer so the dealer gets $205.00. There was some extremely happy dealers those nights and they do take care of us when we need something or start the tilt stuff. $200.00 off to the right side for the dealer and mine is stack up, $3,800.00.
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Like I said, 4 out of the 5 F-7s this shoe were with the third card being a 4. Here is the 3rd one, i can not find the picture of the 4th one, I think i must have text it to someone and took it our of my gallery, i do not have the time to go find it. But I will post this one and the board to shoe you another shoe with 5 F-7s like I said form the other night. There were two shoes with 5 F-7s within the few we played.
Here is another F7 within that shoe:
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Here is a picture of the board after the 5th F7:
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I posted one of the pictures out of order with the F-7 being paid to my spot. Like I said, too time consuming to post all this material!
The one with the $50 F-7 is a dup picture of the hand after it won, just showing the win money pushed to my spot #5.
I found 3 out of the 5 pictures of the F-7s I hit that shoe, but there was 4 with the third card being a 4 out of the 5 F7s within that one shoe.
Here is the other board that was played just before or after the one I posted a couple posts ago. Both shoes had 5 F-7s in them. Like I wrote about numerous times and challenged and ridiculed, I go by my first F-7 within the first 10 hands or if not appearing, then 13 to 17 is the advantaged play.
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"We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt. We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired. We are playing slow, real slow. We played for the shoe to even out, too strong. We called it right with the 1s and 2s. We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken. The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc. We all got up and this point and went to cash out. The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill. We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage,
That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned. We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it. We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack."
Here is some more of that shoe with the 15 Player streak and then the Banker streak with the last Banker shown another F-7 win. That is the point we got up, took a break and cashed out the majority of our win, the dealer also had all his purple, black and green taken by us, as I described above. When we came back tot he table, the Banker produce another 10 straight Banker wins, totally 16.
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Actually all the play was 4 to 5 shoes at one casino and one shoe at another casino on Thursday and Friday nights.
I started out this post for the 3 shoes at the one casino which was the premise of the post. Our play extended into the next evening as well.
I did not have the time to post about it, download and resize pictures, etc. until yesterday, Monday.
The shoes exemplify huge opportunities that presented themselves. The three of us playing them took well over $200,000.00 from the casinos. The few other people that popped in from time to time, either lost money or made a few units and moved on.
Bac is about the whole picture and applying experience and knowledge as well as a great money management method that will allow you to build and increase your wagers, while backing you off and/or stopping you on losses that will happen, IMO.
The shoe shown in Post #9 here, was a gold mine. Although 1s and 2s are generally tough shoes to play, this one was not. After the initial 4 Bankers and 2 chops, we caught the doubles, then after the first chop, we all agreed that the shoe would be strong for 1s and 2s and we switched to chop-chop only. I would say 2 out of 3 of us playing this shoe, caught and won at least 13 of those chops out fo the section of 9 and 7 with the few doubles or triples in the middle.
Two of us played that whole middle section as chop-chop and did not get flustered by that middle section. The other player switched to twos and threes and lost most of his winnings from that shoe with a negative Marty.
After the second section of chop-chop both of us switched to twos only and we made more than we lost up to the three card 8-9. We stopped playing the shoe after that when I took that picture.
Defining events that will and do frequently happen is the foremost thing in baccarat a successful player would desire to do when he is actually playing.
Live baccarat versus the test or practice game on your computer is two entirely different things whatsoever. I would have to liken that comparison to watching a video of cutting a lawn with a lawnmower and the event of actually doing the same thing. Different and so many things can happen, but coming from the same principle.
The problem so many do and expect when they study and study and find their 'gig' or 'key triggers' on the internet, is they set a schedule for themselves for that definitive wagering. Bad, wrong and will not work. All that way does is provide false positives that fuel your hope and instability within the game, within each shoe.
Frame-of-Mind with wide vision to be neutral is a huge player's plus and baccarat player's advantage overlooked by the player's ego, desires and greed as well as his desperation to recoup past losses. The other thing he will offend himself with, is his inability to play all side of baccarat and what the shoe will eventually present. He narrows his thoughts and perceptions to either one of the two most popular things, which is the shoe being extremely strong or weak. He fails to admit it does both sides with a bit of the 'middle' mixed in while it does both sides or it does not do either side. Vision must be neutral without that typical, strong headed narrow focus in wagering for a certain event, that you are counting on coming out as a result of what happened
rather than what is happening or what could happen. The words in bold will make you a lot of profit if you can truly understand them and convert them into actual play. Otherwise you are doomed within my opinion most every time you play this game.
Traditional Vision: What you see and interpret from the past which generally overrules anything else.
Traditional Thought: What you think will happen and suit you best. More desires than actually getting into any kind of real thought.
Traditional Results: What had happened. "Look at what came out", and then basing things on that.
Traditional Realization: The whole scene in totality with limited sight, again thinking what is happening is going to happen, no matter with the shoe presentment or otherwise. <<<And that is exactly where countless people make their mistakes!
Better Vision: What can form; weak--strong--alternating--doubles--1's 2's and 3's--streaks, anything and everything, etc.
Better Thought: Not limited to one or two sets of anything or your own desires. Most importantly, adding possibilities in the correct way to the thought processing picture.
Better Results: Looking at them and what the total picture is into sections and events, not into a whole shoe or multiple shoes in the attempt to match statistics and long term results.
Better Realization: What has happened, what is yet to happen, what can or can not be 'reasonably' possible, what can happen on a more consistent and regular basis or on an infrequent and limited basis, etc.
Well done on your win Alrelax,
Unfortunately the Casino where I play doesn't have the F7 bet or many of the other side bets.
They only have the traditional B vs P and Tie along the with the your Way Egalite.
On the subject of Camaraderie, I suppose it's more prevalent in Baccarat because of the fewer options compared to Roulette. However, I can remember way back to the early 90's and there was a small group where I used to play who preferred the game of Baccarat over Roulette. They always seemed quite happy and it was almost like they were having some kind of party most nights with the 'leader' of that particular group a very jovial character. One thing that stands out as well on reflection is they were more of them at the cash-out desk at 2.00am when the Casino closed than us Roulette players for the most part.
Where I play now is in the heart of Chinatown and that type of atmosphere I described above is certainly not prevalent. A lot of the gamblers seem to be younger nowadays in there 20's-30's and seem more obsessed/introverted even though a few of them are betting 100's up to a couple of thousand a hand, they don't show too much emotion. It's every man and women for themselves.
Thanks Bally6354.
Nice posts Al.
Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)
If the game isn't beatable mathematically or statistically (and of course it is) this thread should demonstrate that some betting lines may cause the house to get a bit of discomfort, albeit temporary.
as.
Hell of a trip report, that was an awesome read! A good percentage of the time you go play baccarat, its going to be a losing session. Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking.
Which got me to thinking about your style of play. Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots. Why not give yourself an opportunity to maximize your profits if you actually do end up on the positive side in a session.
Were you using the 1326 progression? Do you keep a scorecard with hand values or just use the casino provided screen?
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Nice posts Al.
Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)
If the game isn't beatable mathematically or statistically (and of course it is) this thread should demonstrate that some betting lines may cause the house to get a bit of discomfort, albeit temporary.
as.
Thanks. And, you are correct. What I tried to exemplify is the exploiting of what was being presented. Yes, these few shoes are huge profitable shoes if played the way most of us think and most of us know what could happened. And exactly that, it did happen! I and the others were on it.
Normally we are not or we hit one or two and then back off. But this time, that was not the case. It was many things and one of them was camaraderie and team work. The other thing was playing the shoe as it was being presented, not the interpretation of what I thought I wanted it to be. If I did that I would have never caught 13 or so chop chops out of 18 or 12 Players straight with positive progressions out of 15 it made, or any of the other numerous fantastic and easy large money wins that were presented. Worked out super great and super well and instead of saying, OMG I wish I was on that, or OMG we missed such great runs-streaks-chops, etc., we hit them and wagered on the opportunity that presented itself.
All the while adhering to my Levels and Plateaus. That is the way profit comes and builds when shoes present opportunity. I posted the proof the best I could. It takes time and trouble to post this stuff, I do not sell anything or benefit monetarily by posting. Think about it.
So they do not happen all the time. And, that is just my point I have tried to make here on this board. But we saw it and we capitalized on it. We do not play that way every shoe, not the other day and not tomorrow or in the future. Each shoe we approach is different unless you are using a mechanical system and a pre-decided upon wager schedule, etc.
Quote from: ChopChop on May 29, 2019, 03:30:33 AM
Hell of a trip report, that was an awesome read! A good percentage of the time you go play baccarat, its going to be a losing session. Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking. At times that is correct and other times, absolutely not. (I have made far greater in profit than my losses. That is because I have recognized a player can not do it every single time. I do not grind, I do not play for a certain stop loss or stop win set in stone. I play to risk my buy in and I play to win several times greater amounts than my buy in. I have written about this numerous times. Most do not believe it because they are so called professional, full time, every day, all day gamblers and they have set ways. They lose or break even most all times. Sure there are exception and sure some are profitable, but not the norm of them. If you believe all the hype and all the rubbish about Banker and Player and what will or will not happen and wager with the majority of the times something could happen, you are doomed. By the way there are very few commission games left in the USA, it is almost all EZ Bac and Bad Bet Bac, so forget about the commission deal on Banker here. The hardest part of Bac is yourself, not the game at all. But yes, my buy in money is a small part of my bank roll and with the 20-30 chances I have with that bank roll divided up, I will recoup all losses and have a hefty profit numerous times, which allows me to replenish the bank roll and have that profit money. The mistake I used to make prior to 2000 was playing bigger ad bigger and larger and larger, no matter what, that is how I learned my Levels and Plateaus and that is what governs me, I proved it once again with pictures last week. I made my bank roll 4 to 5 times over on a single buy in. That money is gone now, spent or locked up and if feels great, fantastic and awesome.)
Which got me to thinking about your style of play. Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots. Why not give yourself an opportunity to maximize your profits if you actually do end up on the positive side in a session.
(Yes I pounce on the shoe, the casino when something is happening. To me, that is the only way. I have always had a full time business or partnership for my career. I have always played since 2000 or probably since 1997 or so, that my buy in is part of my bank roll and disposable, pure risk money. Same as in business, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not. But when it works it needs to multiply itself, not be equal to survive. Same, same. You have the sentence I am answering pretty much spot on. There really is no correct way to play or not play the game of bac. It is what you can catch, no matter if that is 10 fortune 7s out of 2 shoes or 2 three card 8-9s out of two shoes or 20 chops chops or a 15 Player streak almost followed by a 16 Banker streak. Hell, F*** Me, I have never ever seen a casino in the USA say, Sorry Glen or Sorry John Smith, you won but the way you won is not kosher and not right so we refuse to pay you, you should have lost. Seriously, think about. What the heck does it matter?)
Were you using the 1326 progression? Do you keep a scorecard with hand values or just use the casino provided screen? (At times I do use the 1-3-2-6, but the wins were happening fast, so I rather parlay immediately and then press up the parlayed win as well. Then pull down the winnings. If I lost the parlayed win, I would go back down in the next initial wager. Like after we lost the first 3 wagers on that 15 Player streak that started with the first three being Naturals. I wagered $300.00 along with the Asian guy and the Asian girl. He was the same, she was at $500.00. She plays bigger and harder but normally stays shorter time. We already won before that and we were all going to leave if I recall. But we started to win again in that shoe. Anyway, we lost the first three and I believe we all lost, $300-$300-$300 and $500-$500-$500. That is when we stopped the game, we took a break, we talked. Thank God we did, cause I know in my heart if we did not we would have been flustered and began wagering against each other. WE overpowered the shoe by realizing what the shoe was doing and we said F***, go for it. Go with it, Players time, has not been a decent streak in a few shoes. No we did not change anything, we bowed to the enemy and we got on the enemies side. I wagered $300, won. Then $600 and won. Then $1,200 and won. I was not and the other 2 were not going to do the same but I wagered the $2,400 and that was my final. I pulled down every winning hand for the wins on hands 7 through 15 and lost hand 16. I should have profited $18,000.00 after my loss of $900 and giving up the last one. I think the Asian lady profited right at $30,000.00 she adjusted one time in the middle. We did even better on the Banker run, but we did not believe it ourselves, because it came just a few hands after that great Players run. We were stupid and reverted back to the chop mentality and 1s and 2s beliefs. Those come and come the majority of the times, but they were not at the present time.
As far as a scorecard, sometimes. I look at the board, but most other people do the scorecard thing around me with the vertical and the same things the Bead Plate just with their own notes on it. I believe far greater in the Bead Plate than anything else, for Sections and going with it or against it, etc.)
What so many do not understand, chastise, humiliate or belittle me about is my Sections & Turning Points as well as my Levels and Plateaus. They are intangible but there! I promise you. Do you know what yours are?
When I cashed out the $6,500.00 I set aside, I was up probably around $9,000.00. I kept my buy in and the $2,500.00 of win money for continuing to play.
That was about the point where the Asian guy was up around $15,000.00 at least. He went big and hard with continuing wagers. Sure, he could have double to tripled or quadrupled that real quick into $30,000.00 or $60,000.00. But he lost all his win money and became flustered, mad and extremely aggravated.
The guy started to lose as soon as I got back from the cashiers cage. I told him, lets go to the other casino. He said no. I played a little bit more and did not feel anything. The Asian lady had to stop top make phone calls for her business as well. The guy was losing quick and large. I finally convinced him to leave the casino and we left. He lost virtually all his win money from the previous shoes, at least $25,000.00.
I would risk my buy in and the other $2,500.00 I set aside for continued play. I know in my heart and soul, we will all loose at some point. Problem being, when the wins come and come strong, almost every single one of us are superman, non destructible players, ready to recoup the lifetime of losses, ready for a million dollars and it fails every single time. Hence my money management method assures me I will walk a winner and happy once out of there, every single time. If I follow it. And I do, except for once in the past since, 2000 or so anyway.
So we left the casino and went to the other one. And that is we we walked and both looked at each other and said, Players streak. We caught it and caught it well. He recouped all his lost win money form the other casino and as well, was now up. His mental state was great. We returned to the other casino and played extremely well.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)
as.
I missed that one line you wrote. However, those people are so negative and so far introverted and stuck up on their win 5 or 8 units stop and lose 4 or 6 units and call it a day, type of professional career--it is ridiculous!
I play to win and win lots more than I risked, plain and simple. I have done pretty well most of my life or I would not be continuing to play.
By the way, those people that talk their ever loving drama, are either on line trivial players or the types that go to the casino, buy in with $100 red chips, sit there and wait for all the big wagers and then bet against those people. Or they sit there and play a group of hands to cut, always cut. It is chop so they play to repeat, Oh it is now repeating so they wager their $10 or $15 or $25 to cut once again. Always the cut. They last about 30 min's at the table then the leave. Or, they fill out their scorecard in the vertical fashion marking up everything and go for their kill. LOL. It is all good AsymB. That is why they are welcomed here and every where to spread their wealth and their extreme knowledge of the game with their super experience, kind of like Fred Smith or Steve Jobs and let us not forget about President and Perfect Bill Clinton, love to hear them all speak in public gatherings!
I have learned so much from their musings!
Oh yeah AsymB, I learned a long long time ago. If others are not jealous or overzealous of you, they do not talk, stalk, make things up or chase you around. FaceBook, Twitter and all the other social media spots proved that. BTW, I have 103,529 followers on mine!!!! What about you, how are you doing on social media. You do spend all day on it right? Talking about the 6 to 12 vertical columns and all the cash you are removing from the casinos, no? You do make up and haunt other members and people in general no? You do twist and turn the truth? You do post about your all day on line 20 hour grueling play to get back you $80.00 or so, no? Tell us, AsymB, make for some great reality here! LOL.
Love you guys, you guys are the highlight of my day, I am so tired of staying home, wearing pajamas and eating Captain Crunch with bananas and Oreo cookies while drinking Bosco.
That line was obviosuly a sarcastic note about how is easy to distrust other's ideas and works putting atop of it the old fkng math issue saying that bac cannot be beaten.
Maybe it could.
as.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 01, 2019, 09:31:33 PM
That line was obviosuly a sarcastic note about how is easy to distrust other's ideas and works putting atop of it the old fkng math issue saying that bac cannot be beaten.
Maybe it could.
as.
It can in some ways, some days. Most of the problem is lack of conscious and self control. We forget the aura and the property will change the best of players. I do not care what anyone says, it does so many times.
Had another super great 2 shoes last night, Problem with H-Money and One Dealer, started to throw me off and I actually walked away, leaving chips on the table and went to a quite spot, thought about all this and then went back lost 3 large wagers in the row and left. Will explain it all with about 10 pictures I took as well.
Things happen and effect every bit of your play at a B&M more so than at home online, IMO and experience.
To clarify for some that need to understand my pictures I post, I play at 4 casinos in the region most of the time, with favoring two of them. First is the one with the 'Bad Beat Baccarat' layout, where the table limits are currently $25.00 to $5,000.00 and anyone can wager on up to 3 empty spots if they are empty as well. You can also wager on other players spots if they are under the table limits, even if you are at table limit. Table limits are PER SPOT only. Please read the table board, it has the info clearly on it. The Bad Beat and Side Wagers are generally max'ed out at $4,000.00 payout. Example, $20.00 on 3 card 8-9 would pay out $4,000.00 and that $20.00 is the max wager on the 3 card 8-9 or $100.00 on the Fortune 7 wager, etc.
The other one I frequent is currently at a $10.00 to $2,000.00 limit. You can, depending on amount of players sitting at the table, wager on their spots as well, but not empty spots. If it is crowded, depending on the floor people, they might or might not allow you to wager on other spots you are not sitting at to get over the $2,000.00 limit if you so desire. Or of course you can have another wager for you without the floor knowing, if you so desire.
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 01, 2019, 09:31:33 PM
That line was obviosuly a sarcastic note about how is easy to distrust other's ideas and works putting atop of it the old fkng math issue saying that bac cannot be beaten.
Maybe it could.
as.
It is all in your mind, the good and the bad.
It is more emotions, psych, willpower and the realization that if you win you will lose too. So it is how you divide up and manage those wins and how you manage your losses, I seen it last night at the casino with the shoe I posted when the F-7 Banker hand was dealt wrong at the beginning of it.
Stop engaging in the internet board poop-poop with the flat bet win stop/loss stop grind of a few units and then the non recoverable multi unit loss everyone will experience.
There is really great win money to be realized if you recognize what it takes with buy ins that are risk capital and parlay's, side bets, side parlay's, etc., that will far outweigh your losses. But you have to stay conscious of when to walk and when to stay, etc.
Quote from: ChopChop on May 29, 2019, 03:30:33 AM
Hell of a trip report, that was an awesome read! A good percentage of the time you go play baccarat, its going to be a losing session. Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking.
Which got me to thinking about your style of play. Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots. Why not give yourself an opportunity to maximize your profits if you actually do end up on the positive side in a session.
You are entirely correct! 1,000,000 %.
Excellent points. I agree with the response from chopchop in reply#34 response to alrelax post:
in part: "...Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking.
Which got me to thinking about your style of play. Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots..."
My opinion is we must detach ourselves from our risk money in a way that allows us to "take this risk" when guesses are going well for us(winning more than we are losing or winning several in a row).
A)One method is to wager such a small amount & number of wagers to where losses do not affect our emotions to a higher degree than our fear to lose( greed vs fear ratio comes into play). The problem is that we then need far too many wins as a function of our buyin-to-wager size to where we find favor and hit 5-7 in a row and may only stack 20-40% of buyin (too many wins are needed and like chopchop mentions above: we will get as many losses as wins over enough trials). I think there is a more efficient path(Option B below).
B)Smack them when the smacking is good(meaning we are receiving favor from our bet selection or simply we are in sync with shoe outcomes). In other words bet larger bets either by parlaying our wins early so the casino has more money vested in the current wager than we do(more likely we can detach ourselves from that pressed up wager), --OR--start with a larger wager to begin with and don't spread our losses across a thousand cuts.
I find favor by making my wager #1 or #2 contain the largest % from MY buyin as in my opinion that is our best chance for benefitting from compounding when we are fortunate enough to win >=4-5 in a row. Many players prefer to do the opposite: press/press/press for their largest wager(& largest % from buyin) on wager 7-8 (fine, yet not optimum in my opinion). We want the casino to have the largest % in that final wager when they do finally pull it into their stack.
All the best and may u all smack the casino hard on your next outing, kfb