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Vision—Consciousness & Recognition of Funds

Whether it is bank roll or buy-in or win funds.  Does not matter.  A portion of players will handle their funds extremely consciously, very intelligent and with the knowledge and constant recognition, that the funds they possess, on the table, in their pocket, or those that are available,  should not govern them in their decision making processes, whatever that may be.  Pretty much straight forward and simplistic to the easiest ABC’s and Gambling 101’s.

However, I have asked many people that do play baccarat, as to their views and thoughts on ‘win’ money in particular.  The rest the money situation and how each thinks about it, really is too varied and too complicated to understand without knowing those people 24/7 for huge amounts of time.  So, here it is from the ‘horses’ mouths as the saying goes.

I asked H-Money the other night.  Me: “Say you won $100,000.00 from the casino and left with it, went and purchased two cars for $50,000.00 each.  Then you went back next week to any casino and lost your payroll check of $1,500.00 that night.  Would you be down $1,500.00 or what?”  H-Money:  “No, I would be up $98,500.00 if that was my second time gambling”. 

He further went on to say, “You have to keep a running total in your head, as to the amount you are up or down, because you are free to play if you are still and you have to be careful and play more cautiously if you are down until you get up again.” 

WOW!  I actually heard almost that same thing from another two baccarat players that played the game for a couple of years or so.  Interesting!  I do believe that money management systems and thought/beliefs about ‘win’ money, go hand in hand—with how a player thinks, cashes out and gauges his play/session times at the table. 

I have definitely concluded for myself that ‘refreshing and resetting’ during the sessions as well as at the end of the session, no matter the outcome (win or lose) is vitally important and in your favor tremendously. 

No ‘resetting and refreshing’ is extremely dangerous;
Viewing ‘wins’ as not yours is extremely dangerous;
Viewing ‘cash outs’ as ‘up’ money is extremely dangerous;
Running tab---of wins and losses and gauging yourself according to same, is extremely dangerous.

The above leads most players to, ‘have to make’; ‘have to earn’; ‘pressure’; false positive reinforcements’; ‘forced sessions to produce’; ‘visions that cannot be seen or realized are even happening in front of them’; ‘possible reinforcing of negativity or caution that hampers their winning ability’. 
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H money returns tomorrow I'll write about what happened last night need to get some sleep I will write tomorrow like I said H money returns.............
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H-Money lost another 4 of his last 6 sessions.  Just spoke to him on the phone tonight as well.

He won about $4,000.00 overall, he was up as much as $10,000.00 roughly, he said and then gave back 2 sessions of $3,000.00 each.  He is doing a bit better but could be holding even more of his wins, when he wins.  He just refuses to realize the reality of what happens at a bac table.

He is not unintelligent, just blindsided or plain forgets all basics when he begins to win. 
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Let me clarify here, January 19th I wrote that H-Money returns.  We played once together right then and I was going to start to write about him again.  He stopped and did not gamble again until March because our winter cam in and came in real hard here in the Central Midwest.  A few weeks ago he started gambling again.  I have not been with him since, except once in March, which was for a very small session in fact, maybe one hour at most.  He was holding his own, I lost my buy in and left.

We talk, we communicate, we discuss everything we did at the casino if the other did not go along, etc.  He does have a habit of leaving out details when he straight loses and the details is what I am after to understand.  So be it.  I can find out everything if I really want to at the two properties we go to mostly anyway. 

He played 6 times in March, meaning, six trips to the casino.  He was up over $10,000.00 and gave back $6,000.00 is the bottom line for March, so he won $4,000.00.   Since I was not writing about his trips or our sessions, I am recapping it.  I have had a few inquires from regulars on this board about what we have been doing.  Kind of since the break up of the several members that were the most frequent posters on BetSelction whom took it to be banned, moderated or quit on their own and take up space elsewhere.

H-Moneys problem like most players, especially the newer players is the win hold factor or the figuring what to do factor of playing.  Whether boredom sets in or your greed and lust gets the better part of you, you do need to come to terms with it all as I have outlined in great detail.  So many people here as well as within the casino will laugh at what I write, but I know in my heart it is true and applies to most all of us in so many numerous ways. 

The mathematicians and statisticians have a field day with what I say and they are so far off when it comes to the reality that inflicts itself on us all in a casino, at the baccarat tables, it is not even funny.  Just reality.   

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Let me clarify a bit more.  H-Money does blacks out, plainly blacks out at the table.  On the surface he is conscious of course, but he is blacked out in my opinion.  He is oblivious to reality.  Reality is where you need to constantly check into every min or two at the very most.  The game is not reality, the game is fantasy.  It is fantasy because it requires nothing but money to survive in it.  The same as a business without good service, product or real meaning.  Like having a storefront, an office with all the amenities, a showroom with no product or services.  And you believe as long as you are there to man it all, you will perpetually make money and have a shot at the forthcoming rainbow of everything.  Your rent, your taxes, your phones, your cable and internet, your coffee service, your cleaning service, and all the other numerous monthly charges and bills.  Your imaginary income with your desired payroll, just magically covered, each and every month.  No real commitments except what time to open and what time to close. 

And thus, not being in reality.  Same at the baccarat table my friends, no darn different, IMO!

The average person there is really not in reality.  He is in his little corner of safe haven, as long as he has money in front of him.  Completely tunes out the world in 99% of all areas.  Complete faith and belief, that the next hand or two or three will begin to make up for his past losses and set the way for his new found riches.  Everything forthcoming.  Everything will fix itself with nothing really to do. 

Maybe that is why I have actually been noticing those player's mouths dropping open when they continually lose hand after hand.   

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H-Money, some know who this is and others do not.  I will bring you up to date.  I stopped posting about my friend I call H-Money due to a previous banned member here that was just too outspoken, lied and manipulated his way into things that he had no business or need to be into.  With that said, H-Money has gambled his family savings away in a short order of time.  I wrote about him previously and added many details and trip reports we both incurred as well as H-Money without myself present at the casino. 

With that said, if you know whom I am referring to, read on, if not?you will have to read some of the background on the board here and then you will understand.  Anyway, the past  month H-Money has been hitting the casino hard.  Most weeks he goes at least 3 times a week.  He has won several times but refuses to adhere to any of the money management methods I have showed him and we have both used together at the casinos.  He just plays and plays and plays.  If we are together and we win, he will leave with me.  He has no problem most of the times to stop play and cash out. 

The problem with H-Money comes when he removes himself from the casino and he is not with someone or not working at his business.  Then it sets in.  He needs the action, at least he tells himself that in such a way he convinces himself he can win additional money.  Even when he is at the casino, he continually tells himself this while he is playing, losing or winning, does not matter.  He continually reinforces himself with positive statements and believes, no matter what.

He pretty much risks $1,500.00 to $2,500.00 a week.  I will say, when he wins at least double what he has on him or bought in for, he will leave.  Sometimes, a bit better than in the past he will pay his bills and set aside a bit of cash for later in the week.  But if he does not hit that double mark or greater with a win, he will continue to play and eventually lose everything he brought to the casino.  Every time.  He just has that average Asian gambling mentality, that he can absolutely beat the game. When he is not in the casino, he is a different and much more rationale person about it all.  But put him in a casino, everything changes that quick, to this day. 

His new line to me is, man I am dying Glen, I am dying.  Help me get out of this.  That is what he says, and he says it repeatedly.  I tell him, plead with hi, to cut down on his play and concentrate.  He is a good player in theory, style and wagering, but he just has the mentality that he can change everything with the upcoming hands of each shoe. 

Last week he called me up early on Saturday morning, around 7 AM or so.  Told me how he lost $4,600.00 at the casino during the night and how he seen it coming but could not control himself.  I asked him if he was still going to gamble, he said of course and had no plans to stop.  He even told me he was borrowing money and collecting some that people owed him later that night and wanted to go to the casino on Sunday. 

He even admits to me now about how the Asian mentality and the Asians are typically thinking when they play the game.  Yet, he falls right into the trap he is knowledgeable about and exploiting for sake of conversation.  The more he plays and the more he loses, the more he convinces himself he is excluded from everything he learned.  LOL!  I laugh at him and he tries to justify everything he does with his knowledge and experience and he keeps telling me how everything will change. 

And by the way for those of you that think H-Money has had his privacy violated by me, you are assuming the furthest thing from the truth.  He is very knowledgeable of my message board and forum activities as well as reading the board.  He has no problem with it and there is zero issue.  Just thought I would throw that in since another likes to read what I write, turn it around and make accusations that are completely false, fraudulent and just plain unintelligent. 

I have nothing against Asians, the mother of my children is Asian and she is my wife.  Accusing me of being racist and anti-Asian is the most ridiculous and ludicrous thing one can say.  But the truth is, numerous Asians at every where I have played are among the hardest core, worst and most degenerate gamblers I have seen.  I put some whites and a few other races of players right there also, but the magnitude of the mentality of the Asian gambler, is shown exactly by my buddy whom is extremely smart and successful in many of his walks of life, except his baccarat play.  Plain and simple.  He takes a beating and he continues and thieves for additional beatings without saying the word, mercy.   
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H-Money calls me this morning.  All upset and pissed off.  LOL!  I kinds knew what was coming and without saying anything, there it came in a minute. 

He tells me, that he went to the casino last night.  Brought $500.00, $300.00 was his and $200.00 from his other friend, actually a part-time employee of his from his business. 

I stopped him right there.  I repeated myself to him for the millionth or so time, he needs to calm down and rethink his play.  He needs to get the desire to make money and set things straight, clean out of his mind.  Because that is exactly what he is constantly doing.  I know this 100% because of his own admission to that and his own confessions. I do not assume, he tells me, I know him, etc.

Anyway, he continues probably never hearing much of what I told him.  He says how it was all Banker with one Player and then Banker and how he was going with the Banker instead of following everyone else for the cut wager.  He said he got up to almost $3,000.00 or so and then it goes to all chop. He then tells me how he was wagering for the Players side at that point because he just knew the Players would have to start making doubles or triples or even a streak or two. 

I asked him, why do you believe things like that?  And H-Money tells me, without hesitation, because that is what it normally does.  I asked him to define, normally.  He pauses, hesitates and then says, you know most shoes it does.  Once the Banker makes so many winning hands then it will switch to Player winning hands.  I said, really.  H-Money defended what he just told me in great detail with examples of how there are heavy Players side wins and then it will go to Banker side wins, etc.  He flip flops back and forth and explains it all to me.  Then I ask him, what about the times it does not, maybe you were just sitting at the shoes that are abnormal and out of realm, no?  He pauses again and says, he does not know. I asked him, how many times have you seen a shoe end with +10 to +20 of any one side?  He said plenty.  And I asked him, how many times have you seen shoes end with only + or - 1 to 5 or so?  And he answer, plenty as well.  I asked him, how do you know you were sitting at one of those shoes that was going to end with the + or - 1 to 5, almost equal at the end?  And he says, he did not, there is no way to know that he also said. 

So, there we have it.  You know what can happen and you also know what can not happen.  But do you apply that with that knowledge and consciousness when wagering or do you apply one side of it?

So he is kicking himself in the rear for giving back the $3,000.00 or so of win money and then he lost the $500.00 buy-in as well.  He said he went crazy, never saw it and should have walked with at least $2,500.00 of win, plus his original $500.00 buy-in.  Easy to say after the fact, but at the table, an entirely different picture of everything!  I have always said that.

I already know, H-Money had a $10,000.00 or even a $20,000.00 vision there in front of him, he knew he could do it, but once again failed.  Heck, even if my buddy had gotten to the $10,000.00 win mark, he would have then focused on $100,000.00.  It all boils down to that proverbial and infamous saying.  Been There--Done That. 

And until you do, you will still be oblivious while at the Bac table! 

   

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No, there is a lesson to be learned here I do believe.  As well, the insight to minds of gamblers should be talked about and explored. 

He is not going to listen to me and I am not his 'wife' or 'parent'.  I agree with you, most people do not really care or learn what others do at the tables.  But in this case since I have in depth and detailed discussions with H-Money, I think putting it out there for all to read is insightful to those that think baccarat is the easy-money street to fame and fortune.

You know, people do not really look at those that lose and devastate themselves.  All they generally look at and talk about, is the high fiving, the larger wins and how half the table of 4 or 5 players profited by tens of thousands of dollars on a streak or two of Bs or Ps the other night at the bac table, etc.



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Going with H-Money tonight to a casino.  He has $300 of promo chips expiring in April and only needs $300 to buy in with.  I told him I did not want to go, too much to do.  He begged me.  I told him I would under one condition.  He brings only the $300 cash and he plays with that and I get the promo chips, LOL! :), but true!  And, if he wins double the $300, he has to put 50% away of the win ($300) and he can continue playing with the remaining win plus whatever he has of the buy-in.  And, then every time he gets in excess of $300 win, at least 50% has to be put away.  He agreed. 

I will attempt to take pics and post tomorrow night. 
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A little over an hour drive to go pick him up, a bit over one hour to get to the casino, then an hour back to drop him home and about an hour to get myself home as well.  His car is in the dealership waiting for parts, so I have to drive and go get him. 
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Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that more.
 
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When someone admits that his own bred of people, Asians, are degen and stupid gamblers, it is not racist or anything of the nature, BTW, LOL.  Go eat some waffles and watch the changing of the guard or what ever the unintelligent junk is they call it. With their cartoon Peter unintelligent-bro hats on, LOL.
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Oh Lord, H-Money text me this morning before he got out of his house to go open his business.  He said he had a dream last night.  I will post the text later tonight. 
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Played well over 29,555 shoes of baccarat since I started playing at B&M USA casinos.

"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that more.
 
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H-Money recouped right at $24,000.00 from the one shoe the other night.  I took $18,000.00 right off the table and went to cash it in.  I held it for him with making him to stick to 1/3rd of the $6,000.00 win in front of him plus his buy in. 

He got up to $11,000.00 or so of win without his buy in, using my 1/3rd Money Management Method and then went went down to $7,500.00. Then I told him I was leaving and he agreed. 

His total recoup was right at $25k to $26k with his buy in put back away as well.

It worked.  Thank the Lord!
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Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that more.
 
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We are unwinding (as others say, LOL)  H-Money, myself and another family member still up after the midnight to 5 am outing to the casino for the second night in a row. 

At the house made some pasta sauce (Sunday Gravy) with a 2 pound package of Linguine.  My base gravy form scratch, canned Italian Roma tomatoes squeezed by hand and everything else.  A whole 2 pound package of mild Italian sausage, etc.  Came out pretty darn good, no great!  Huge bowls for each of us.  H-Money the commie does not like Parmesan on his pasta so his is without. 

Oh yeah, please understand the sauce highlights the pasta, not inundates it!   







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"Don't say it's a winning hand until you are getting paid for it".

Played numerous properties in Las Vegas, Reno, Southern California, Atlantic City, Connecticut, South Florida, The South/Southeast as well as most areas of The Midwest.

Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that more.
 
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