Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 16, 2017, 04:35:48 PM

If I do not type in word processing and then cut and paste, I have a habit of posting and then modifying until I am done, or I stand a chance to lose what I type if it is more than 1 or 2 sentences, for some reason.  So what I did that you were reading was, I posted the beginning and the ending and then filled it in as I went. It is now complete.

Quote from: alrelax on October 16, 2017, 04:33:58 PM
Yes, say the Banker had a 3 card 9 and the Players had a 6 and stand.  No bonus payout as the Banker won by 3.

Say the Banker had a 3 card 9 and the Players had 3 monkeys.  Banker won by 9 and a 30 to 1 payout r those that wagered the Dragon Bonus.

Say the Players had a 3 card 8 and the Banker had a 3 card total of 1.  The players would get paid the Dragon Bonus is they wagered it for winning by 7 points.

So that's good only for 3 cards totals only?
How about when there are just 2 cards being dealt?

2 cards are only for a natural, which is 1 to 1. 

It pays according to the scheduled payout, does not matter unless it is a Natural for the winning side.  Ties push the wager.

Here read this, might explain it better:

https://www.caesars.com/images/non_image_assets/87235%201_4x9_RackCard.pdf

Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 16, 2017, 04:38:58 PM
So that's good only for 3 cards totals only?
How about when there are just 2 cards being dealt?

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Naturals pay 1 to 1 for anyone wagering the Dragon Bonus and their side wins with the Dragon Bonus wagered.

Alrelax

Now I saw the answer.

This Dragon bonus is interesting, let's say you bet 10 chips on player and from 1 chip on Banker's:
9, pays 30 to 1
8, pays 10 to 1  (some casinos have 15 to 1)
7, pays  6 to 1
6, pays  4 to 1
5, pays 2 to 1
4, pays 1 to 1
Tie, pays 9 to 1

You win or break even on every scenario, am I missing something??

You are not correct, and a lot of players attempt to hedge their wagers with a bet on the opposite side Dragon Wager, etc.

State's Official rules regarding F-7 and Panda 8:

http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ge/docs/TempRegs/panda8wager.pdf

QuoteYou are not correct, and a lot of players attempt to hedge their wagers with a bet on the opposite side Dragon Wager, etc.

I see, the payouts are not sufficient to cover every possibility in profit of course.
But it could be a separate and independent progression for each and everyone of them, while some are losing there will be always 1 which is winning, all of them can win in different times.
So you could aim to win from 1 time all of these, from both sides!
When 1 or 2 of them delay then follow up to the point where your net profit has been depleted, at that point restart from scratch.
When I say all I mean player, bank, tie, all dragons from both sides...calculate each separate/independent progression in regards with its respective payout.

1 of them cannot and will not 'always' win.  There are many ways the wager(s) can and will lose.

I believe what I've described is better than attempting to see what's coming up next, all patterns are equally probable, therefore the key is to a special MM and progression, not to predictions regarding Baccarat.
Try to pick more correct on sets of 100 coin flips, do you think that you could predict more correct than not? Why?
Al you know is what happened and binomial probability, they cannot help you predict accurately, unless you possessed some kind of ESP which is completely another matter.
On games/bets which are roughly 50/50 there's nothing more than ESP or progression/money management.

Aim to win from 1 time everything, use separate and independent progression for each and everyone of them.
Stop at any point with an overall net profit, if a payout is 9 to 1 for example it doesn't mean that it will happen only once every nine decisions, that's why the greater payouts provide the overall net profit when they occur.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 16, 2017, 05:48:37 PM

Stop at any point with an overall net profit,

Stop when you win once in racing.
Stop when you got your first piece of sex.
Stop when you had a great piece of steak.
Stop when you got your first great paycheck.
Stop and resign from the sports team when you got that first 'hero' of the game recognition, etc.

Stop.  Yes sir, win a little bit and stop.

Quote from: alrelax on October 16, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
Stop when you win once in racing.
Stop when you got your first piece of sex.
Stop when you had a great piece of steak.
Stop when you got your first great paycheck.
Stop and resign from the sports team when you got that first 'hero' of the game recognition, etc.

Stop.  Yes sir, win a little bit and stop.

You got it wrong, stop and restart from scratch.
Stop isn't equivalent of quit you know.

About ties progression you could do the following;
bet for up to 8 hands, if not tie then stop betting and wait for tie to come.
When it comes bet tie with an increased amount for up to next 8 hands.
Whenever misses for 8 bets stop and wait, continue where you left when it returns.
Why it will works?
Simply because the same reason which makes it absent, it will make it come more than once within 8 hands too.

It's called irregular distribution.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on October 16, 2017, 12:56:13 AM
An entire shoe producing all B-P chops (even discounting ties) is impossible to believe.
Even admitting 30 ties, the probability to get 50 BP chopped hands represents a more than 7 sr deviation, that is the same probability to get a 50 hands streak.

In the history of roulette and baccarat there are no records of such values. 
(roulette records known= 42 blacks and 41 chopping hands)

If this should be true, it's an additional proof that baccarat tends to get the opposite outcome of the last happened. As bac streaks of 50 never happened.

as.

Asym:

There is nothing I can really offer except my words and a statement, not a lie or exaggerated in any way.   

I don't recall ever hearing of streaks (with or without ties) of excess of 30 Bankers or Players in a row, ever.  High 20's. 26-27 -28 or so and those are rare. 

I personally witnessed that complete shoe of chops, alternating B-P-B-P-B-P the entire shoe, with ties, don't remember how many ties, 15??  But nonetheless, 1 complete shoe of B-P the entire shoe at the old Bally's Grand in Atlantic City.  I believe I saw another one with either 2 or 3 little runs of only 3's.  I have asked countless dealers in small talk, I recall a couple of them saying yes they have also, once.  The remainder, always no, they have never seen it.