The game of emotions, fits, tantrums, and release for some.  Others sit with their heads in their hands and bathe in their own sorry-dissent or tiny section of their unfriendly world.  It never changes. 

Myself and another white person with the remainder of a full bac table being Viet or Laos people.  One of my favorite players was next to me, a Viet lady.  She owns an Asian restaurant about 75 miles away in a larger metro area and comes to play bac usually 2 or 3 nights a week.  We usually meet up on Thursday's and Friday nights for the game. 

She is a little bit younger than me in her late 40's, very long hair and relatively attractive to say the least.  Not the casino's largest player but up there anyway. We made some pretty wins on this shoe and we most definitely caught the first little run of 6 Players with 4 out of the 6 being natural's.  Then we both caught the almost adjacent little run of 5 Bankers and the Tie to the right of those Players.  We get down to around hand 67 or so and we both were up considerably in this shoe. 

You have to understand what happened just prior to this to make the whole picture.  She was on her 2nd super large Freeze Cappuccino 'Starbucks Unicorn Multi-color' imitation drink that is nothing but pure sugar and whipped creme and tons and creamy syrups and sprinkles and coloring to copy that weird thing Starbucks just recently had out.  It was made in the casino at their coffee/pastry shop.  We both had about 3 or so packages of Little Debbie Snack Cakes and I was on my 3rd or 4th coffee by this time.  So pretty obvious we are both there hyped and ready to roll.  The others at the table were either with their hands in the palms of their hands or sitting back waiting for something to happen. 

An x-dealer from the other casino not too far away, the one I was banned at twice, once for picking up the shoe and throwing it into the middle of the pit because of the way the dealer was talking and acting to the players, was there dealing.  Don't forget here, unlike the other place nearby, the dealers get to keep their tips 100% to themselves, so a rude dealer at another casino around here, gets a job here and suddenly he/she has a one million percent improvement overnight with their new personality! 

So, here we are ready to rock n roll and the dealer is letting the players set the pace and saying nothing, taking a super long time between hands and there was another player wagering table min and keeps putting his hand out over his wager to stop the dealer as he thinks, rethinks and keeps thinking if he should wager the $10.00 he was wagering, $10.00 to $2,000.00 max table.  I mean like this guy is holding up the dealer like a good solid 45 seconds to a full minute almost every hand.  The lady and I both agree table max for the next 4 Players and then switch immediately to table max for the next 4 Bankers. Our reasoning was, Yeah stupid but this is what it was---there was just 2 Bankers preceded by 2 Players and all four hands won with 7's-8's or 9's against weaker numbers.  2 and 2 equals 4, so there would be 4 Players followed by 4 Bankers.  Okay, whatever.  It easily could have been chop, or doubles or 10 of one side or another.  But that is how we assumed and what we geared up for.  I push my $2k out on Players and she pushes her $2k out on Players and we each throw up a green chip for the dealer.  She clearly says to the dealer, ?give us some cards to win with and you get a quick $100.00?.  Dealer nods.  My Viet friend is like 'Dit-Me, Low-Dit' don?t know if I spelled those exactly correct, which they mean, Dit-Me (Mo-Fu) and Low-Dit (As* hole).  The others pop their heads up and snicker, the dealer knew nothing.  The dealer was not into it at all and just being a puppet.  So she peeks at the cards for the Players and without turning them over, my Viet friend snatches back the green chip and the dealer has a fit and yells for the floor person.  The floor person comes over and puts his hands on his hips and says, "what did you two do now"?  He knew something was wrong and he is the coolest floor person there.  In fact at the casino there is only one floor person that is a nightmare and you don't want to mess with him.  So the dealer says, "that lady removed the tip/wager she placed next to her wager after the cards came out".  My Viet friend gets up and says, "The lady is acting like a complete bitch and we don't deserve it".  The floor person asked if she could just put it back and she said absolutely not.  The floor pleaded with her and she came back and said, "I will put it on top of my stack and since I will be over the max, if I win you kick it back and if I lose, I get it back also.  It is a compromise".  The floor told her, "okay put it on top and the dealer will say player takes and not break down your chips".  Then the Viet lady says to the dealer, "be nice and don't be a dead puppet and you will make money also from us".  The dealer doesn't say anything.  The Viet lady slams down a natural 9 and the Banker hand was turned over with a 7.  The dealer broke down her chips and took her first finger and thumb and flicked the quarter chip back to the Viet lady.  She looked at her and kept say, 'Aayh-Aayh-Aayh' and the whole table cracked up which means F***, etc. 

We repeat the same thing and then we each put up $50.00 in red for the dealer.  The Viet lady puts her hand out over her chips and looks at the dealer and says, "be nice, be on our side, can you be like that instead of being a puppet"  The dealer got into it and smacked the shoe and smiled.  If she really didn't change she sure did an expert theatrical rendition of changing personality in about 2 minutes. 

Everyone is on the Players anywhere from a couple hundred to table max like the both of us were.  The dealer slides the cards to the Viet lady and she passes them sideways to me.  I look, blackjack and I toss them in and just say, 'wrong table'.  The Viet lady motions the dealer to flip the Bankers cards and she turns them over with an 8 showing on top.  She pauses and shrugs her shoulders.  Before she slides the card sideways to reveal what is under the 8, the Viet lady jumps up, the back of her legs knocks her chair over on the floor and points to the 8, and starts screaming for 'nothing' to be under it and continuously waves here hand as to blow away anything good from appearing.  The dealer does the same thing, totally into the game and no doubt thinking about her $200.00 if we win.  A duce is underneath and the Viet lady and the dealer fist bump.  The dealer slides me a card and I slide it to the Viet lady.  She picks up her chair and sits back down.  She takes a huge bite of a Little Debbie Snack cake and starts to slowly chew it.  She peeks at the card and half the Little Debbie cake is coming out of her mouth and then she is cussing under her breath.  She said, 'not good'.  So, I am thinking a monkey or an A-2-3 card.  Regardless, the Banker has to pull, she tells the dealer to pull and flip the Banker card as she slides her card we still didn't see up to the Players side.   

The dealer flops a monkey and the Viet lady is screaming.  LOL!  I know I can't do justice to this in wording but everyone from all the other tables are looking, laughing and holding beer bottles up cause they know we are winning, just a bunch of customer camaraderie going on.  The dealer sits back and crosses her arms and says, "I did that just for you".  The floor person said, "you are lucky because I know that player and you probably would have been wearing that funky looking freezie drink she has in front of her".  Then we get to the next hand, oh lord!  Time for dealer change and the dealer gets tapped out.  The Viet lady and I ask the floor person can she deal one more hand and he said no.  Normally they do most times, but he said she could not.  Then the Viet lady pleaded and he finally said okay.  Now everyone is on the Players of course for the 3rd hand.  The others with little chips are putting up everything they have on it.  The Viet lady and I and another have table max and I put up 3 green chips and the Viet lady does also for the dealer.  The other guy puts up one green chip next to his wager and the Viet lady yells at him not to be so darn cheap and he finally puts of 3 quarters as well.  The Viet lady looks at all our wagers and tells her, you have $235.00 up so $470.00 if you give us some good cards?.  The floor person is laughing his butt off and telling her, "you better take her advice or I know you will be wearing that drink". 

The dealer slides the 2 cards for the Players right between us and she said, "you guys decide".  I take one and the Viet lady takes one.  She flops a monkey and I tell her mine is a 4 sided card and she immediately starts blowing with her head close to the card I had.  I don't take long and I flop the 9 over.  The dealer quickly flops a 5 for the Bankers.  Of cause now everyone is pleaded with the floor person for the same dealer to deal one more hand and he firmly says he cannot.  She pleads and pleads for the dealer to stay and the dealer didn't get up out of her chair yet, and the floor person says switch.  So the new dealer sits down and says, "let's continue this, I am ready".  Bad thing is, he is the official cooler of the casino as we always tell him and everyone.  We look at each other and say we are f***ed.  The dealer says, "come on think positive".  The dealers are in rotation from the next table game beside our table, so it is not like the floor or management has an option to pick any dealer to come in, etc. The whole table looks at the dealer and says, "we tried thousands of times and you always mess it up".  Floor person walks away and says, "have fun, call me if you need me" and walks away.  We were actually going to wager on the Banker and then we said, "we agreed on the Players already and we won 3, if we switch up and lose we are totally as*holes to the millionth power".  Dealer says, "stick with it, I am dealing you a Player".  We all look at each other and we decide to stick Player.  We actually said we were okay to continue Player because there was other 5 and 6 Players small runs and we are only asking for a 4 repeater.  So after we convinced ourselves that it will be player, we wagered the same once again.  We all stuck a quarter or some red chips up for the new dealer, whom we all knew very well.  Then I say, no way and I pull my chips down and the lady calls me a fool.  She said, she knew we would have the 4th Player in there and why chicken out.  I point to the dealer and say that's why.  The dealer laughs, he always does.  He is an okay guy, not rude or anything, just never lets no one win at the game.  So I stay out and everyone else stays put. 

No one is on the Bankers and the Viet lady gets the first two cards.  The Viet lady flops over a 2 and a 9 and the Banker is slowly revealed by the dealer for a 6 and a 4.  "Can we get something please", a couple of the players say.  The dealer is shaking his head yes.  They get the first card and it is a frigging 9 reducing her hand to zero.  She just turned red, real quick.  She stands up and is yelling for a monkey, no in fact--everyone at the table is yelling for a monkey.  The dealer flops an Ace.    She goes to play smack the dealer with her hand, as in a back hand motion and winds up knocking her large frozen drink right into the dealer's chip tray.  He yells for the floor person and we can hear the floor person saying, "what now I only been gone for one minute from you guys".  The Viet lady is freaking out and yelling and cussing up a storm calling the dealer a 'Goo', or something like that that means 'dick'.  Security comes running up, most likely called by surveillance and the floor person did not call and everything is shut down.  After a complete transfer of chip trays, about 20 minutes later, the game resumes. 

Now, we are talking once again.  Four Bankers is said, I say, "Can we just please go with the original 4 Players and 4 Bankers scenario, we already have the 1st Banker out"?.  She points at the dealer and the dealer is cracking up.  The floor person says, "Can I please go over to the blackjack tables they need me there, please you guys help me and be good".  We all wave our hands for him to leave and the dealer is laughing.  The Viet lady hunched over the table with her hands on the rail and says, "Please---can you please be nice to us".  The dealer says, "sure, yes". 

Well he gave us the 3 more Bankers with the last two being natural 9's.  We wagered for him and each time he is saying, "See I am not so bad, huh"?

Then the last hand was a Fortune 7 and no one wagered for it after being burned out trying to get it numerous times.  Did well and called it a night.  Walking out, I had to laugh about some of the stuff that went down and just snickered a bit to myself.

(The first shoe from the first post in this thread is the shoe I am referring to here in this)
https://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/live-cards/msg55621/#msg55621

'The Other Night'    5/6

It was a Saturday and I did NOT want to go.  I almost never go any longer on Saturday nights, just too crowded and many are just too rude.  Our bac table is on the main floor, there is no High Limit room I suspect is the reason this happens.  Anyways, my Viet lady friend bugged and bugged me to go, it was her dream or some weird Asian thing.  So I jumped in my car and hour and half later I met up with her.  We got two seats at the table and bought in.

So, we get to the 5th hand and it has been, 1-B, 2-P's and 2 B's at this point.  New shoe, fresh night.  Clear mind.  My Viet lady friend and I know the importance of tuning out the rest at this point.  New into a shoe, no loses, no wins, all that.  It is important.  If you are losing and others are continually winning-you can jump on and hopefully it helps you and possibly you can win, but if they lose---you get sunk, but time!  So we look at each other and say, "2nd natural for the Player and second hand natural for the Banker.  Let's go heavy on the Banker for the next few, if we win one table max".  She kicks off her shoes, (bad luck to the Koreans I think) but when she does it---it means to me she is dead on serious and let's rock-n-roll and she tucks both her legs underneath her.  Good, at least I know no chair of hers will be flying back into the aisle as she has a habit of doing!!! 

The next hand winds up being a natural 9 for the Banker and a 5 for the Player.  By the way, we both pointed out to each other the Player cut on the same exact hand, we had a monkey and a 9 for the Banker and a 4 and an Ace for the Players.  Same exact cards came out for our table max win, our first wager.  We didn't take it as an omen, we took it as a sign of good luck and strong-handed showing for the Banker side.  We wagered another table max for the Banker followed by a third one.  Both of those also won.  Then we decided to cut-down to $500 and the rest of the table boo'ed us and the dealer cocked his head to the side.  I let go with a "Better safe than sorry".  I probably would have followed her if she insisted on staying table max until it fell off, but I just didn't feel it.  She didn't argue as well.  The dealer gave us extra time and asked up 3 times if not more, if we wanted to increase our wagers.  We stayed with a purple chip each.  It made another Bankers for the 6th Banker in a row.  We both pulled down the win and stayed at the $500 each for the 7th attempt.  Players come out with a 2 & a King and Bankers come out with a 7 and a 6.  The dealer is touching the card in the shoe and he says, "I feel a 7 or an 8, maybe a 9 or a 10, but it is a big value card regardless".  He slides my Viet lady friend the card since no one else was wagering on the Players and she peeks and said, 'it has 3 sides'.  I was thinking a 6 or 7 and we are pretty much cooked.  A couple of others had larger bets than us, but didn't jump on board the Banker until the last hand before this one.   She works the card and flops an 8, done deal.  We look at each other and talk about going back to max wagers and I pleaded with her, that every time I have every switched sides on a run or went in after several hands of 'something certain', or anything of the likes, I always lose.  Superstition yes, but probably 8 or 9 times out of 10 it hold true.  So I will stay the same, not increase.  She wanted to, but said she was staying the same as me.  The next hand went to Players. 

We lost the next couple on the doubles as we were really thinking singles and then we both look at each other and without saying anything, moved our thumb and fist fingers, continually clipping them together and both shook our heads.  Our code talk for chop sticks, chop-chop, etc., LOL.  And we caught all 7 of the chop/alternating hands, every single one.  We lost on the double that came out on the Player with a 1 over a zero on the 23rd hand.  No ties yet, not a single one, and to me that is a huge predictor of strong or semi-strong patterns/trends to form for some reason. 

The next two hands were Bankers and then we both agreed 100% on the Banker would run to either 6-7 or 8 to match the first Banker run of 7, with the classical and proverbial one less, the same or one more.

The next three wagers we did all table max and we won each one like clockwork.  One the 2nd table max wager where the Players side returned a zero my Viet lady friend let go with a super loud scream of 'yeah' and people started to gather behind her.  She turns around and shoes them away with her hand, telling them to give her some room as she doesn't want their breath down her neck.  She tells it the way it is, kind of like myself most times.  After her little spat with the on-lookers, she slams down a natural 9 for the Banker and then we are up once again.  The dealer slides her the cards and she passes them off to me and I work them.  Player had a monkey and a 3 as I flopped a 3 over also and said, "I got one of those and the other one was a 2 line card--a 4 or a 5".  The whole table was 'dinging' and yelling the word 'ding', and I flopped the 5 over.  We looked at each other and said, "same as before or what, another 2 spots"?  Everyone was waiting on us, not that we are the big shots there, just we were winning far more than losing and the many times the others went 'against' us they lost.  Happens all the time in live games, has nothing to do with how much money you got out there, unless they are doing it for pure support factors, but they were clearly following us, which I don?t like most of the times.  We both agreed to do the same exact thing we did on the previous Banker run of 7 we caught with the reduced wager in the last two spots.  We reasoned out, if we did something different than we would only be bringing ourselves bad-luck, which I know is foolish talking about it here or after the fact, but at the table it is not for some strange reason, hopefully someone can support what I said with 'gambling logic' instead of armchair quarter-backing style. 

I throw up a stack of green and the Viet lady immediately pushed them to the dealer and says, "purple please", she said, "we need the same exact thing as before or we are done".  She believes this stuff and I don't challenge it when it is going good.  When it doesn't go good, I am usually the first to say, "bull poo-poo" or maybe "believe all that garbage you can't change the cards".  But the camaraderie was there right then and it was working, I am not one to change the oil after 1,000 miles just to say I take care of my car!  We don't have to figure out the wins, just let them happen and repeat.  Most of us get too hung up on figuring out the losses and that to me, is why most of us get confused at the table and then frustrated and aggravated. 

So, of course the next two hands play out the same way as the Banker run of 7 earlier and we kept our single purple chip up there each time.  The dealer was a different dealer but the dealer knows us and agreed without giving us a hard time over it. 

I went to the restroom and I got her one of those fake copied Starbuck's unicorn multi colored drinks, the same as she had the other night and knocked the one into the dealer?s chip rack.  When I came back to the table, the same floor person was there with his arms crossed and yelled my name out and shook his head.  He said, "Oh please---not again, please control your partner and just keep it to the left side of you instead of in front of her". 

So, on hand 39 it was our bright idea to go table max for the Player to have a run like the Banker did and we were convinced this one would be 7 to 10 spots more.  We lost the first time we tried it.  We seldom do like most of the players do these days, and that is to keep wagering for the side you just lost on to prevail.  We sat back and watched.  I told her, let's not start wagering a bunch of small money wagers and then lose and then we would only start wagering more and more to recoup, please don't get into that tonight.  She agreed.  Sipped her pure sugar drink and watched.  The floor person threw a $75.00 comp on the table for us to go to eat later and I stuffed it in my pocket.  Here at this casino, the hosts are only for slots players and table pit managers take care of all the table game players.  Comps are good for 30 days or so once written so I don't normally throw them away if I am not going to use them the same day.  He told me it was a reward for controlling my friend tonight and not messing up the table again, LOL.  Anyway, we decide to go table max again after the 3rd Player for a 4th on the 47th hand.  A tie came out and we both pulled down.  We decided to stay on the idea the Players would make a long run.  We won that one and then we stayed and we lost the next one to a natural with the Banker's side. 

I told her, I wanted to stop and she would not.  I pounded on her head and called her hard headed, she made more money tonight than her restaurant makes in a good week.  Let's leave.  Then she started placing numerous bets and was losing one and winning one, I warned her and tried to stop her.  I knew what was coming, it always does.  I grabbed her chips and left her $750.00 to play with.  I went to the cage and cashed them, she stormed after me, I told her to listen and held her cash.  I cashed out as well.  This was around hand 69 or 70 or so.  She wanted to keep playing.  She started making wagers with a couple hundred each time winning one and losing two.  She kept looking at me and I would only tell her, "no feeling".  I got her to leave and gave her the cash in the parking lot from her chips I cashed out.  She is one that always used to buy-in repeatedly with extra money if she lost.  I finally got her to stop that and she saves a ton of money, when it isn't there--it just is not there.  When it is, especially the way it went with this one shoe, I think it is best to cash out.  Of course, there is always that, 'What I could do' and that, 'I can win lots more', but I pay attention more to my feeling now as well as what is going on around me, these days more so than the past.  I didn't really do any money management or apply my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3 system to the win money--I guess I wasn't set to play 3 or 4 shoes with my mind frame.   

Sure I wanted to stay, but too many times the easy wins like we had come early and then you get smacked by the casino with that proverbial,'whatever you do you can't get a winning hand' type of play.  The people started to come in the casino, those with the, "I will wager against you and win", style of play and that is aggravating more than anything to me.  Here is the shoe I am referring to I posted in the above thread for your reference. 

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Bump.  From 5 years ago. 

Alrelax above:
Thx that was a good read.

"...Of course, there is always that, 'What I could do' and that, 'I can win lots more', but I pay attention more to my feeling now as well as what is going on around me, these days more so than the past.  I didn't really do any money management or apply my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3 system to the win money--I guess I wasn't set to play 3 or 4 shoes with my mind frame. 

Sure I wanted to stay, but too many times the easy wins like we had come early and then you get smacked by the casino with that proverbial,'whatever you do you can't get a winning hand' type of play.  The people started to come in the casino, those with the, "I will wager against you and win", style of play and that is aggravating more than anything to me.  ..."


I agree about importance of MM.
Much of ones success at the tables reduces down to how one manages Losing(We can't go on tilt and can't chase losses), and having a predetermined MM system for the Winning sessions that matches ones objectives.


Continued Success,