Hi KFB!

Re: B /F7--I agree that it is not mathematically sound and ITLR an increased HE to an already -EV wager. My main reason for not habitually wagering the Bwager coupled with the F7 is the hedging effect on the B bet(I can't win both but can lose both). However, a situation where I do sometimes is when I have pressed my B wager to a higher level and I don't want to lose-a-win, or push on a win. I will then wager the F7 for an amount equal to "my" chips in the wager or maybe so an F7 win =66% of that pressed up wager,...etc..

Of course, there could be times we perceive or calculate that F7 has a higher probability of showing/ that could skew all of the above probabilities in the players favor(or at least make less disadvantaged), as long as one doesn't wager it too often.

I totally agree about those passages of yours.

Many times I'm astonished to watch at a player betting ALL the possible side bets at every hand dealt. (The like of six or more side bets I mean)

Yes, some shoes are particularly full of F-7 and Panda, nothing wrong about betting both even if they are mutually exclusive.

I admit to be cognitively disturbed while wagering P and at the same time betting the Lucky 6.
After all, any P bet needs a 6, 7, 8 or 9 two-card point to look for, all scenarios denying a Lucky 6 winning. 
But when 6s are particularly live in the deck, the logic department might start to come back.

Generally speaking and following Al's thought, some side bets should be bet when winning and not in order to recover losses.

BTW, which kind of tables (classic, EZ, etc) do you prefer to bet at?

Thanks in advance

as.

A warm thanks to everyone who had the patience to read my section, for some reasons I'm stopping to post anymore about baccarat (maybe as we were banned to play at a couple of premises).

Almost 140k views consitute a huge accomplishment I'm very proud of it.

For sure you can bet your a$$ that baccarat is a beatable game, no matter what math dictates.

Hope to see you at real tables very soon!

as.

Hi ABG:
"... BTW, which kind of tables (classic, EZ, etc) do you prefer to bet at?..."
    If I had to choose I would say probably prefer EZ vs others. Mainly due to that's what my cas market seems to offer(6 deck mostly).

ABG:"... A warm thanks to everyone who had the patience to read my section, for some reasons I'm stopping to post anymore about baccarat (maybe as we were banned to play at a couple of premises)..."

    Thanks for all your research and work along with the many posts on the forum. Hopefully your sabbatical will be short.

Continued Success,

If possible, can you explain why you were banned.........because of baccarat or other situations?

ASYM,

Two thought only.

1). The real deal.

2). Would love to play at same table as we tried earlier in the year but unsuccessful.

Thanks,
Admin/Board Owner
Alrelax

Actually I have several topics to write about I can't quit. 

@KFB and Alrelax: thanks for your kind words. Of course I'm looking forward to play with you somewhere! 

@8OR9: the story is simple. An unknown friend of a peer playing baccarat with me (we stupidly picked up him as the 'driver' for the night) tossed violently a losing natural 8 right in the face of an obnoxiuos dealer, cursing and shouting words like "I'll wait for you outside".
Floorman decided we all three were culprit for his behaviour, telling us that we won't be welcome to play there anymore.
I was so disgusted I started to hate baccarat, casinos and everything.
This casino is linked with another casino, so all of a sudden we were barred at both.

A real bad beat.

as.

I totally understand, but I learned many years ago, never ever cuss out or talk stuff about a dealer, direct it to the shoe itself.  Everyplace I know, we can cuss at and talk or yell trash to the shoe.  If the dealer does say anything, we make it clear to the floor personnel, we are talking to the shoe.

But I understand.  Thanks, Alrelax

Overthinking

If there's a game where 'overthinking' is harmful, this is baccarat.

So if we're in doubt to bet this or that, we should simply do not bet at all.

After all baccarat is a game of clusters, educated guesses based upon long term tests or actual situations or, best, all of the three.

Here a brief list of general assumptions, imo, that won't help us in any way:

1- Banker is more advantaged to show up, so when in doubt bet Banker.

Cottontail rabbitsh.it.

If we'd decide to bet B is because for some reasons B should be more probable than P, we're not betting B as it's less disadvantaged than P.
This stuff belongs to math minds that in the 99,999% of the times are sure losers at this game.

2- We bet B and after a natural 9 showed up at P (sigh), a same natural 9 happened at B. So if we have miraculously shifted an almost sure loss, "it means that B must show up at the next hand".

Desert tortoisesh.it.

Actually there's a very very slight propensity that a natural will be followed by another natural at the same side, so betting B is a strong wrong move to make as when naturals come out (no matter at which side) asymmetrical hands favoring B cannot happen.

3) Last card dealt at the previous hand was an 8 or a 9, so P side is less likely to be kissed by a natural.

Roadrunnersh.it

If this assumption may be true we should infer that B will be more probable than P as a part of winning points involving naturals must fall at position #2 or #4 as opposed as position #1 or #3.
Meaning that after an 8 or a 9, a 1-step (consecutive) or 3-step (gap of 2) between 8s/9s is less probable to happen than a 2-step (gap of 1) of 4-step (gap of 3). No way.

4) In some way Banker or Player must 'catch up' after an opposite predominance happened.

This is a more debatable point as very good players try to get this effect to show up in selected circumstances differently to poor players that like to bet a side no matter how patterns develop.

5) Sooner or later a streak of fair lenght must happen along most part of shoes.

False assumption.
I've registered up to 5 consecutive shoes produced by the same source not forming a streak superior than 3 at either side.
A kind of heaven instead.

6) The more a side bet is silent higher is the probability to get it along the way.

Without a proper card counting, side bets are not more likely to come out after a period of 'silence'.
Actually it's true the opposite.
Most of the times, we awake about side bets when they come out clustered, before that we simply ignore their possibility to happen.

7) 'I'm doing so bad that I'm starting to play the opposite of what my strategy dictates' or 'I'm doing so good that I'm starting to play the opposite of what my strategy dictates'. 

In most of the cases, it's a fatal error.
We can't know how long a bad or good sequence will come out and the simple countermeasure to adopt is to keep betting when good things happen and not betting when bad things happen.
Stopping to bet after a good sequence happened is very easy, the opposite scenario is way more difficult to manage.
When to restart the betting? A topic we'll see in a next post.


as.

Hi AS. I really hope you do not disappear from the forum. As a beginner at Baccarat ( compared to most on here ) I find your posts to be the sign posts to a winning formula at beating this game.

I hope you lose your hatred very soon and continue your informative posts.

Hi klw--perfect post above and I concur.

Hi ABG. I agree with your 1-7 thoughts above. I will respond later (or in next couple days)as I had a couple Q/thoughts. Im prepping to get on road for a 3-day gaming trip so may not send Qs til Sunday.

Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

As you said:  " 6) The more a side bet is silent higher is the probability to get it along the way.

Without a proper card counting, side bets are not more likely to come out after a period of 'silence'.
Actually it's true the opposite.
Most of the times, we awake about side bets when they come out clustered, before that we simply ignore their possibility to happen.

7) 'I'm doing so bad that I'm starting to play the opposite of what my strategy dictates' or 'I'm doing so good that I'm starting to play the opposite of what my strategy dictates'. 

In most of the cases, it's a fatal error.
We can't know how long a bad or good sequence will come out and the simple countermeasure to adopt is to keep betting when good things happen and not betting when bad things happen.
Stopping to bet after a good sequence happened is very easy, the opposite scenario is way more difficult to manage."

Numbers 6 and 7 to the MAX!

Last night PERFECT EXAMPLES!

I posted notes and shoe pictures.  Side bets galore!!

Profit city

Look at my post #7 in the following thread:

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11423.0

Asym......Sorry you got banned......most casinos will not fool around with you if you get really physically or verbally abusive.....unlessyou are a real big whale who bets and losses  $ millions.

Someone I know had too much to drink and was getting obnoxious and getting too familiar with a girl who was working at a small convenience store in the casino ( she wasn't even a 
dealer ) and she had enough so she called security and he was permanently banned.

It's best not to lose your temper or drink alcohol when in a casino....... people do crazy things when they are drunk.

Thanks klw and KFB! I have the same feeling, many times you've inspired me in certain things!

Yep Al, I knew you would have liked those points 
And of course I've benn always reading the real shoes you provide here.

@8OR9: fortunately my ban was erased the day after this mess but I was informed just yesterday.

Yeah, gambling is not for everyone, arrogant or abusive people, sober or stoned, should find another hobby.

as. 

First of all, Asym—- you and I go way back and you are one of the best (even though I know a tad bit more than you    << Me, << You).

Second of all, your paragraph, "Yeah, gambling is not for everyone, arrogant or abusive people, sober or stoned, should find another hobby.", is spot on.  I have written about a well varied mix of people at the tables and it does influence the majority of all players in one way or another, good and bad, positively and negatively!

Your not going anywhere, just like myself, we are here for a very long time to come. 

Your Comrade and Peer,
Alrelax

Al, you can be sure I won't go anywhere, I'll stick with this wonderful site.

Again, by far this is the only forum where people could grasp ideas to beat baccarat in a way or another.

Let naysayers think that experience and subtle features of the game cannot help us to find a way to beat baccarat (most math experts do not know a fkng nothing about some Smoluchowski works, let alone about what randomness really is).

Your peer and comrade asymbacguy.

as.