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[NoRegret]

I can guarantee the 1%.  1% of 3K everyday.  Not sure about 1% of 100K though.  I do lose on some days because I usually aim 10-20%.   If I stop at 1%, I can do it every day. That is $30.  Of course there will be days that I will lose a few hundred before recovering and then winning.

It's a totally different animal with $100K bankroll.  It's not as simple as just scaling up.  If it goes smooth, 1K with 100k is easy.  Here's where you will get in trouble.  Losing 400-600 of 3K can be recovered without a lot of stress.  If you lose the same percentage with 100K bankroll, that is 20K.  You will most likely panic if you're not used to losing that kind of money.

[Rolex-Watch]

I can guarantee the 1%.  1% of 3K everyday.  Not sure about 1% of 100K though.  I do lose on some days because I usually aim 10-20%.   If I stop at 1%, I can do it every day. That is $30.  Of course there will be days that I will lose a few hundred before recovering and then winning.

It's a totally different animal with $100K bankroll.  It's not as simple as just scaling up.  If it goes smooth, 1K with 100k is easy.  Here's where you will get in trouble.  Losing 400-600 of 3K can be recovered without a lot of stress.  If you lose the same percentage with 100K bankroll, that is 20K.  You will most likely panic if you're not used to losing that kind of money.

Don't agree. 

If you start off betting 1000 units, progressing to 10000 bets, sure it would be suicidal. 

Losing 400 ~ 600 betting $100 chips is what percentage of 3k?
Losing 50 ~ 60% of 100k betting $100 chips is what percentage difference??

There is no way on this planet, I would sit there and bring into play / lose 50% of a 100k BR, it is more of a case, when you're placing chips, you're not sweating on the outcome after any rough ride knowing this is the last of your BR.  Never been bankrolled to the hilt?  If you need to place the odd big bet, it is a no drama situation, knowing that if things go further south, you have ample backup for a recovery session. 

[NoRegret]

Don't agree. 

If you start off betting 1000 units, progressing to 10000 bets, sure it would be suicidal. 

Losing 400 ~ 600 betting $100 chips is what percentage of 3k?
Losing 50 ~ 60% of 100k betting $100 chips is what percentage difference??

There is no way on this planet, I would sit there and bring into play / lose 50% of a 100k BR, it is more of a case, when you're placing chips, you're not sweating on the outcome after any rough ride knowing this is the last of your BR.  Never been bankrolled to the hilt?  If you need to place the odd big bet, it is a no drama situation, knowing that if things go further south, you have ample backup for a recovery session.

I only bet more than $100 for about 5-10% of my overall bets.  My average base unit is 10-15 dollars.  I don't have a mechanical progression for money management.  True regarding not sweating if you know there is ample backup but how many have that kind money that they can afford to lose.  I do know quite a few people with many 3K bankrolls as backup.  Since you're looking someone to fund you with 100K, that probably means you don't have a 2nd or 3rd 100K that you can afford to lose without causing misery.

You can start with 10K and aim for 3%. Within a year or two, I think you can win 100K if your system is good enough.  If it is not good enough, I don't suggesting doing it, especially with borrowed money.

[gr8player]

You can start with 10K and aim for 3%. Within a year or two, I think you can win 100K if your system is good enough.  If it is not good enough, I don't suggesting doing it, especially with borrowed money.

Of course.

But they're not going to want to hear that, for these are desperate players that do desperate things, and have deluded themselves into thinking that "I could beat this game, IF ONLY I HAD ENOUGH MONEY"!!!

Alas, they will soon come to realize that their failures at this game have absolutely nothing to with their bankrolls.  All the money in the world couldn't bail out these desperados.....my advice: STEER CLEAR OF THEM.

[Rolex-Watch]

STEER CLEAR OF THEM???    Nobody here has their begging bowl out, it is something I'll most probably tackle alone, However  it doesn't take long before Uncle Roberta pikes up, with his trendy gobbledegook, prior hands having significance on what is going to happen next (LOL).  What is a trend are those players who get spanked, continually look for ways to flatten their bets, then post "oh look at me, I flat bet", when the truth is, I got spanked hard trending and am now totally clueless, I'm scared, so bet as shallow as possible, lowering my chip size, because really I can't risk it, because it's a 50-50 game.

Wayy to go good old Roberta, utterly deluded, does the Borgarta still having you rated as expected to win or a hopeless to far gone clown?  Do the staff still watch you play during their break times, do they applaud when you guess right a 50-50 decision?  Does the car jockey call you 'great player'??  Utterly deluded, you couldn't guess your way out of a soggy paper bag, so best you keep those bets low, just in case.

There are more possible Baccarat shoe combinations than stars in universe (so I've heard) and you claim to be an expert trender, so funny man.

[ADulay]

Rolex,

  Come on.  You know better that to act like that in this forum.  Let's try to keep it civil.

  We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.

  This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.

  As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.

  Thanks.

  AD

[Rolex-Watch]

The number of people I have met in casino's, really top of their game in their respective occupations.  Highly qualified engineers, uni lectures, math experts, electronic experts, programmers, financial consultants, you name it.  Really nice people, intelligent.  Yet when it comes to gambling, Bacc in particular, they are totally DELUDED with their theories.  If these people were certified they would have to build new asylums.  But they don't because there aren't a danger to themselves (except financially) or others. 

They can hold a job, have a meaning relation and basically function in the real world and you can chew the fat, but then when it comes to Baccarat, you realize how sick in the head they are, deluded is not a strong enough word, MAD, NUTS more apt. I've met many people like this, great people, then the topic comes around to Bacc' and bet selection theories  and your sitting there, thinking; Holy mother mountain high, scotty beam me up fast.. 

Doesn't matter how hard you try to educate, wise-up such people, it's like trying to convince a witch he doesn't have magical powers.  This is what the game of Baccarat can do to otherwise normal functional intelligent people and when I squirm away from such fatal interactions I realize why some, one 'internet' person specifically, are the way they are.  While sad, it's reality, thankfully I like to think I don't fall into this category. 

[NoRegret]

The number of people I have met in casino's, really top of their game in their respective occupations.  Highly qualified engineers, uni lectures, math experts, electronic experts, programmers, financial consultants, you name it.  Really nice people, intelligent.  Yet when it comes to gambling, Bacc in particular, they are totally DELUDED with their theories.  If these people were certified they would have to build new asylums.  But they don't because there aren't a danger to themselves (except financially) or others. 

Rolex-Watch, 

You are so right about a lot of the professionals being deluded.  I've came across many in the decade that I have played this game.  It really scares me especially when some of them are surgeons and other doctors.  I'm definitely not a math expert, but I can tell what a lot of them said makes no sense.  I am probably delusional to believe that what I have works but so far it is working pretty nicely.   I can't say much about trending or any other system but I can make one guarantee about a fact in Baccarat.

"NO TREND WILL LAST FOREVER!"

[soxfan]

Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units. I know you adhere to the importance of having a large BR of career units. Why would you limit this one to a tiny 100u? And how would you employ a positive progression with 1k base units. Your first win in a parlay attempt would be your win goal. Do you stay and risk it for triple your win goal? I also know that you are aware, and expect to bust out your progression attempts periodically. Even if you won 1k per day for 200 days straight, busting out the 100k BR on day 201 only yields you an average of $500 per day.

Years ago my style was to try and capture just 3 units profits. I did this with a base bet of 500$ and a lifetime 100 units bankroll using a positive progression. Now, I managed to capture those three units the vast majority of times, and my worst drawdown was 27 unit just under thirty percents of my lifetime roll. Of course, there were those rare occasion where I couldn't meet my win goal so I would quit after 5 full shoe, up less than three unit, even or down whatever amounts and come back the nest day/session lookin to once again capture three units. So, in this scenario it should be even easier to capture jjust ONE 1000$ unit for my daily bread, hey hey.

[soxfan]

Rolex,

  Come on.  You know better that to act like that in this forum.  Let's try to keep it civil.

  We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.

  This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.




  As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.

  Thanks.

  AD

Them two cats have been feuding for years and ain't gonna stop now, hey hey.

[Rolex-Watch]

Rolex-Watch, 

You are so right about a lot of the professionals being deluded.  I've came across many in the decade that I have played this game.  It really scares me especially when some of them are surgeons and other doctors.  I'm definitely not a math expert, but I can tell what a lot of them said makes no sense.  I am probably delusional to believe that what I have works but so far it is working pretty nicely.   I can't say much about trending or any other system but I can make one guarantee about a fact in Baccarat.

"NO TREND WILL LAST FOREVER!"

Yeah used to share a game with a Doctor, didn't yak to him to discuss his approach.  As for the Trending, ask one of the them, what constitutes a trend, how many hands, more importantly when did they make a move, all you get is waffle and skirting the issue.  Produce mathematical evidence that proves them wrong, produce mathematical proof that there are more ways for any trend not to continue than to continue, they don't want to know because they are so addicted to game, have nothing else, too emotionally involved, invested too much, too scared to face the truth and they continue to live in some deluded world that is basically safe for them.

"Oo'er there is a trend", I'll bet every hand until the trend comes to an end, but the maths is what it is , odds of winning two bets in a row 25%, odds of winning one bet from two 75%, odds of winning four in a row 16/1 against, odds of finding a single win from the next four hands 16/1 in your favour.  No surprise those that promote the futility of trending always lack substance and of course exploring more ways to low bet for glaringly obvious reasons, and the endless waffle continues as it as done so for the last decade.

[gr8player]

Rolex,

  Come on.  You know better that to act like that in this forum.  Let's try to keep it civil.

  We all know you hate Gr8 but by now, anytime you post like that it just kills your remaining credibility.

  This is a DISCUSSION forum and everyone has the right to speak their mind in a thread without killing the messenger.

  As always, if you have a beef with Gr8, take it outside or to GamblersGlen, where that sort of thing is acceptable.

  Thanks.

  AD

Ah, it's just "Johno being Johno", AD, no big deal.  And, as to his "remaining credibility", I'm sure we'd all agree that ship left port a long, long time ago.  Again, just "Johno being Johno".....

[gr8player]

...but the maths is what it is , odds of winning two bets in a row 25%, odds of winning one bet from two 75%, odds of winning four in a row 16/1 against, odds of finding a single win from the next four hands 16/1 in your favour.  No surprise those that promote the futility of trending always lack substance and of course exploring more ways to low bet for glaringly obvious reasons, and the endless waffle continues as it as done so for the last decade.

Surely, you CAN'T be serious with this "stuff"!!!

"Odds of winning 2 bets in a row vs one in 2, or the odds of winning 4 bets in a row vs one in 4"!!!!  Just who do you think you're talking to???

Of course the odds are in your favor in those examples, but you conveniently omitted one very important fact:  WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE LOSING BETS?!!!!  So you win your "one in 4" with your "16/1 in your favor"....what about the OTHER 3 LOST BETS....HOW DO YOU HANDLE THOSE?!!!!

OHHHH, I get it...that's where Mr. Martingale or Mr. D'Alembart or Mr. Labouchere come in....I get it....YOU JUST KEEP RAISING YOUR BETS TO COVER YOUR LOSSES..... just as millions of other LOSERS that tried and failed in the past.  When are you going to learn that, sooner rather than later, COVERING UP LOSSES becomes, eventually, UNRECOVERABLE?  Haven't you lost enough at this game already?

So take your "16/1 in your favor of hitting 1 bet out of 4" and REALIZE that it represents ONLY A 25% STRIKE RATE, which will, in the end, LEAVE YOU BROKE, and stay home.  Until you can develope a bet selection process that will win more than it loses, just stay home.

No wonder you're asking around for $100,000.....better make it an even million, you're gonna need it eventually the way you play.  Just think of all the "Labby lines" you could open with a million bucks.....sheeeeesh.....absolutely laughable if it weren't so sad.

[ezmark]

A General statement not directed towards anyone.

A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player.

Only a winning method will,  regardless of the bankroll.

If you have a winning method you can win 1,000  with a small 5,000.

A story :  A guy next to me blew about a grand quickly! Then asks me if he can borrow 50 dollars. I responded,  I wish I could,  but I'm a little tight this week myself.

Another friend says, I  lost around 2,000 on one bet,  I had a strong feeling it was going to come! and I says, Yeah it happens.

[gr8player]

A General statement not directed towards anyone.

A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player.

Only a winning method will,  regardless of the bankroll.

If you have a winning method you can win 1,000  with a small 5,000.

You are a wise man, Ezmark, and a heck-of-alot wiser than "you know who".

Only a winning methodology will suffice to beat this game over the long term, not the "brute force" bankroll that inevitably becomes necessary when you're satisfied with only "winning one bet out of four".

And you're absolutely correct with "A large bankroll will not turn a losing player into a winning player".  All the money in the world won't bail out the "desperados"....they'll only come right back onto these forums, head down and hat in hand, seeking yet another "investor" to put them "back into action" with another $100,000.

I said it earlier but it certainly bears repeating now:  STEER CLEAR.  Stay away from the desperate ones, for they have no qualms in bringing you straight down, along with themselves.