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[georgebac]

if someone has 100k bankroll, could they guarantee themselves 1,000 everyday in casino. if yes how would someone play with these  bankroll?

[greenguy]

Yes I could. I would split a 100k lifetime bankroll into 20 working banks of 5k each, and it would take 6 hours play each day.

But I'm too lazy for all that.. $500 a day is more doable, only got to play 3 hours.


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[georgebac]

green guy what's the style of play and what do u concentrate on the most.

[Rolex-Watch]

This thread is a bit ironic, as I was having the same discussion with a mate  a casino few days ago.

We concluded with a 100,000 we should would be able to clear 1M in a year, winning 2000 per day, either 80 x 25 or 20 x 100.  We concluded with this amount of ammo, it would be very doable working as a pair (discipline, composure purposes).  Only need to get our hands on 100k.  As he is in finance, he needs to find an investor willing to front with 100k for a 100% rtn pa, we pocket the rest.   

[NoRegret]

You can win 2K/day fairly comfortably with 40K bankroll.  The last thing you want to do is play with borrowed money.

[greenguy]

georgebac asked for a 'guaranteed" 1000 per day, indefinitely.

If we want to blast our way through the high roller room with disregard to risk, ruin, or expulsion, then sure, with a 100k bank it is not difficult to win well over $2000 within minutes most days.

To make it a 'guaranteed' take home pay, forever, then things need to be more restrained.


..and no one's ever going to hand over 100k to a bunch of redneck hill billy gambler's so they can shoot up the town cowboy style.

Get your own 100k and put your money where your mouth is, I say.

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[NoRegret]

Correct greenguy.  No one will dish out that kind of money to a gambler that can't show that they can
win 1% consistently.   You can do it if you can play on the same scale with a larger spread.  I have a feeling that someone walking in the casino with that kind of money will play at a larger scale and probably wouldn't be content to winning just 1000.  I see many people not satisfied with 1000 when their bankroll is 1000-3000.

[soxfan]

I'd break it down into 100 units bankroll and try to make just one unit per day profit using positive progression for my daily bread, hey hey.

[Missmusibat]

This thread is a bit ironic, as I was having the same discussion with a mate  a casino few days ago.

We concluded with a 100,000 we should would be able to clear 1M in a year, winning 2000 per day, either 80 x 25 or 20 x 100.  We concluded with this amount of ammo, it would be very doable working as a pair (discipline, composure purposes).  Only need to get our hands on 100k.  As he is in finance, he needs to find an investor willing to front with 100k for a 100% rtn pa, we pocket the rest.

I can fund you 10000 and you can return me 100000 after 2 years.  What do you think.  I suppose this is doable

[gr8player]

You can win 2K/day fairly comfortably with 40K bankroll.  The last thing you want to do is play with borrowed money.

Good post, NoRegret.

Let's review your second sentence first:

Correct.  Playing with "borrowed money", or any money that you simply could not afford to lose if the "spit hits the fan", is a disaster waiting to happen.  This game is tough enough....the added pressure of any single "must win" situation does not lend itself well, ever, in the midst of the challenge.

As to your first statement:

Again, correct.  Five to ten percent, on a daily basis, is the crux of most serious players' long-term plans.  Why?  Because it's both doable and rewarding. Especially when viewing your play and the results over the long-term (which I'd highly recommend for anyone).  And it's usually accomplished without the undue stress, neither to your long-term bankroll nor your psyche.

Stay well.

[alrelax]

It is impossible to do a 'guaranteed' daily profit day in and day out.  Sure there will be times, just the SAME as when a player goes with $500 or $1,000 or $3,00 bankroll that he wins and wins big.  Then it will be the same as when other players lose, no matter your bankroll $100,000 or $500,000, the cards know no darn difference.  Having a bankroll with plenty of 'backup' means nothing-zip-nadda-zilch-zero! 

I have seen the smartest of players and I have also seen players that have absolutely no clue, both-win and lose.  Playing a few hands or playing numerous hands and shoes. 

Winning cannot be accomplished dependent upon the size of a bankroll no matter the style of play.  In fact, I would rather play with a small bankroll if just going for a couple unit profit per day, IMO and ONLY---IMO, a smaller bankroll will allow you to play clearer and better and walk away faster than a larger bankroll will. 

As far as borrowed money, what a way to a disaster.  Would not allow you to value your bankroll. 

[HunchBacShrimp]

I agree with alrelax. It is impossible to guarantee a win every day. Let alone a specific dollar amount. IMPOSSIBLE. It's called gambling. It is not called "sure thing".

Since when did the dollar amount of a bankroll start guaranteeing success at the tables? The question needs to broken down into units. But is not necessary as it is impossible to guarantee a specific unit win every day.

Greenguy proposes 20 bankrolls with a daily win goal of 10%. This imo is a modest win goal, and even though it is still 10% short of the desired 1k, it still can't be guaranteed daily. But I really do like the idea of creating 20 bankrolls with the 100k.

Rolex, I find it hard to believe you can't come up with 100k by yourself. Aside from the fat stack of money in your picture I've read where you have won 1k per day every day for a week. (maybe longer) I'm also pretty sure I've read a story about you at an IT meeting with 30k in your pocket from roulette. Plus VIP rooms, gambling trips across several countries and an ocean. I find it hard to believe you can't scrap together 100k. ESPECIALLY, with the confidence that you can turn 100k into ten times that amount in one year. Just like Missmusibat implies. Turn 10k into 100k and then 100k into 1 mil.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe you even thinking along the lines that more money equals guaranteed success at the tables. It's all about your MM (an adept execution of a personally modified lab) and a stable bet selection. 2k a day whether its 80 $25 units or 100 $20 units only adds up to 730,000. I find it hard to believe you missed that detail. In addition, you can't play 365 days out of the year, I guess a partner could cut that in half, however you win goal still has to be nearly 3k per day.

Your whole response to this thread is baffling. I wouldn't expect you at all to respond to it, and if you did, I would have bet money your post would have been the opposite of what it is.

Noregret, you offer a win goal of 5% with a 40k buy in. To me this translates into 80 $500 units. It can be not easy, but quick, to win two 2u bets, or one 3u bet and a 1u bet follow up. But from experience it is not uncommon to be down 75% of your buy in. Trying to scratch back to even is not a comfortable experience. Even less comfortable is the fact that you only have 1.5 BR left if you bust the 40k. But I do agree, one can go a long time with a win goal of 5%.

Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units. I know you adhere to the importance of having a large BR of career units. Why would you limit this one to a tiny 100u? And how would you employ a positive progression with 1k base units. Your first win in a parlay attempt would be your win goal. Do you stay and risk it for triple your win goal? I also know that you are aware, and expect to bust out your progression attempts periodically. Even if you won 1k per day for 200 days straight, busting out the 100k BR on day 201 only yields you an average of $500 per day.


I truly surprised this wasn't a thread full of one word responses. And that word would be "No"


HBS

[gr8player]

Hello, Alrelax and HBS.  I read your responses and respect your opinions, and I must say that nowhere did I mention the word "guarantee".  There is nothing guaranteed at this game, and, other than in the OP's question, I don't think that anyone proposed any such thing.

We all know one thing even if we know nothing else of this game....nothing is "guaranteed".  All we can do is put forth our very best effort at each and every shoe/session/day.  And, even given that, it all remains a "gamble".  Let's never kid ourselves about that....it all boils down to gambling.

Some people gamble well, some don't.  Those that don't shouldn't play.  Let me repeat that:  Those that do not, or, worse, CAN NOT, gamble well, shouldn't do it.  Take up another hobby....another MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE, another MUCH LESS STRESSFUL hobby.  Just don't gamble.  Players such as that are doing nothing but harming themselves and the people closest to them.

In fact, that's one of the main reasons that I post only where I'm, well, "known".  I wouldn't want to post to "wannabes" that might read my posts regarding this game and happen to make the mistake of thinking that all of this comes "easily" to me, or, frankly, to anyone else.  None of this is easy...in fact, far from it. 

To even attempt to get the better of this game requires SO MUCH from the serious player, every single hand/shoe/session/day.

This game is not for the "casual fan".  At least, it's not IF they're expecting to win.  But, that said, the serious player IS NOTHING LIKE the casual fan, are they?  Of course not.

Serious players take this game seriously.  They take their money seriously.  And they take their results seriously.  They don't fool themselves into thinking that they might "have something" when, in truth, they "have nothing".  All the money in the world won't help those self-deceivers...I witness many of them at almost every trip.

That's why when you read me you read about patience, discipline, experience, statistics, and "preferred" bet processes.  Nothing "mechanical" about my play....I prefer a much more "subjective" approach.  Why?  Because I trust myself...I fully trust the person that's putting the money into the circle on the felt...because I know, win or lose, that I've got MY BEST INTERESTS at heart at each and every bet (or, in fact, every "non-bet"). 

Because I play to win.  Not necessarily "this" hand, not necessarily "this" shoe, maybe not even this session....but, make no mistake of it, I play to win over the long term.

Witness this last trip earlier this week:

I bought in for $2,000 at my first session, and I ended it with a $400 loss.  That was the max I was down, but rather than fight this ill-fated session where I couldn't "buy" a good card, I chose to abort the session and "walk the loss".  So, what happened after that?:

Next session:  Plus $300.
Next session:  Plus $240.  (I would've played on, but the game broke up.)
Next session:  Plus $300.
Last session, on the last night, I won only $180.  (Sidenote:  I'm always a bit more cautious on my last session of a trip, and so I'll usually accept "any" win and seek to "walk it".)

All in all, a decent trip.  Would've been a heck-of-alot better had I not lost that first session, but it is what it is.  Any win trumps any loss, does it not?

And, one last thing:

This is all accomplished virtually "stress-free"....both on my bankroll and my psyche.  And, please, fellas, NEVER, EVER underestimate the value of relatively "stress-free" play.  In fact, IMHO, it's the ONLY WAY TO LIVE at this game, especially when one takes a long-term view of it, as I do.

So, can I try for more money?  Sure I can.  But, think about it for a minute:  How, exactly, would I attempt that?  Raise my bet sizes?  OK.  But what'll that do for my "stress"?  Both on me and my bankroll?  Or, should I play more?  OK.  But, again, more "stress"?  Remember, as well as I (or anyone) might play this game, WE ARE NOT MACHINES.  We are people.  We think and we feel.  So I am of the opinion that one should seek their own level, and, in that vein, should try to keep their Bac games as "stress-free" as possible.  Believe it or not, you just might find that "the less you bet", the "more you'll win".

And, know this...as always, I wish it for all of you.  Stay well.

[alrelax]

Hello, Alrelax and HBS.  I read your responses and respect your opinions, and I must say that nowhere did I mention the word "guarantee".  There is nothing guaranteed at this game, and, other than in the OP's question, I don't think that anyone proposed any such thing.

I, at least my response was to the OP where he, quote, asked for: "could they guarantee themselves".................... etc., etc. etc.  ......................

[Rolex-Watch]

I can fund you 10000 and you can return me 100000 after 2 years.  What do you think.  I suppose this is doable

I would only get involved with people on a face to face basis, besides I don't like your rtn expectation.

I agree with alrelax. It is impossible to guarantee a win every day. Let alone a specific dollar amount. IMPOSSIBLE. It's called gambling. It is not called "sure thing".

Nothing is a sure thing, but if you can't pull in 80 ponies from a 4000 BR (if ya swung that way), en you have no business being at the table.

Since when did the dollar amount of a bankroll start guaranteeing success at the tables? The question needs to broken down into units. But is not necessary as it is impossible to guarantee a specific unit win every day.

Just like BJ it's all about spread, except with Bacc sure there is no edge, but also no heat in getting the chips on the table.

Rolex, I find it hard to believe you can't come up with 100k by yourself. Aside from the fat stack of money in your picture I've read where you have won 1k per day every day for a week. (maybe longer)

Yes it was longer, closer to 4~5 weeks of daily action and 30+ consecutive wins.

I'm also pretty sure I've read a story about you at an IT meeting with 30k in your pocket from roulette.

It was more than that and from Baccarat.  If you're going drag my old posts, please try and get the info correct.

Plus VIP rooms, gambling trips across several countries and an ocean. I find it hard to believe you can't scrap together 100k. ESPECIALLY, with the confidence that you can turn 100k into ten times that amount in one year. Just like Missmusibat implies. Turn 10k into 100k and then 100k into 1 mil.

Nothing is guaranteed, to easy to drop 10k in one session, this is all about being as bullet proof as possible from the off-set. 100k is a big ask, not that I'm asking on the net, no time for potential game players time wasters, I have more other reliable contacts.

Furthermore, I find it hard to believe you even thinking along the lines that more money equals guaranteed success at the tables. It's all about your MM (an adept execution of a personally modified lab) and a stable bet selection. 2k a day whether its 80 $25 units or 100 $20 units only adds up to 730,000. I find it hard to believe you missed that detail. In addition, you can't play 365 days out of the year, I guess a partner could cut that in half, however you win goal still has to be nearly 3k per day.

If somebody can work 337 days per year, why can't I play Bacc' with a partner for 350 days.  As I said it's all about spread, bankroll (which is what this game is all about), composure and discipline. We factored in playing 350 days interstate action per year. 

Your whole response to this thread is baffling. I wouldn't expect you at all to respond to it, and if you did, I would have bet money your post would have been the opposite of what it is.

Of course 100k is not needed, my friend plucked the figure from the air, I just went along with it, as "nice to have", so that is what we settled on.

I was having the same discussion with a good friend earlier this week, two days later, this thread appears, I thought how ironic, hence my participation.  If I wanted to post my nitty gritty detail on the internet, I would have started my own thread.

Had it not been for the OP, then my two day prior conservation would not have been mentioned.   It was more of a response to the OP, than wishing to broadcast any of my personal business on the net for open discussion.  I'm acutely aware of idiotic BS that gets posted on forums, which is why I prefer to deal with people on a face to face basis, you can find some decent minded folk in casinos.   

Here is one such example

Soxfan, I'm perplexed by your response as well. I know you have a career BR of a couple thousand units.

How do you know this is true.  What have you witnessed, do you believe everything you read on "gambling forums", of all places, seen pictures, does internet longevity now carry weight, do lies repeated often enough manifest into truths?  Get my drift, I'll take sitting down in a cas' for many hours over communicating with strangers on the net.

Whether this is two people chewing the fat with a personal fantasy or grows legs and takes off, really is private.  I'm adamant I would like to proceed, but I need certain events to occur first.  Secondly partnership play is paramount, two people monitoring each other the and overall situation is preferable than one trying to do it alone.  However the partner has to be financially involved and not another casino hustler looking for some free action and meal ticket.  I would have preferred the topic to have got round to the glaringly obvious weakness of the entire concept, but it didn't.  If that sound trite, 'c'est la vie' it can be too mind numbing dealing with 'some' you encounter on the web.