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[Rolex-Watch]

The cards can easily be arranged but it has to depend on the final cut.  Cut at the WRONG spot and shoe is random.  Cut the RIGHT spot and it goes the way it is arranged and you'll see the exact patterns except in a different section due to the cut.

Sorry this is not correct.  A cheap shuffle machine has the ability to record the sequence of every cards after the shuffle, so what can Angle technology do costing $60,000 a piece??  Once [IF] the sequence of the cards are known, placing the cut card simply shifts the start point of the sequence of the entire 8 decks.  I am not suggesting any orchestration is taking place, I am saying the capability exists if they wanted to know in advance how a shoe will pan out. 

In a few casinos I recently played at the cards are pre-shuffled in Japan and placed in a shoe after a cut, with computers you can do amazing things, why / how could they, who knows but all the shoes are kept in marked sealed boxes.  Despite having invested $60k on shuffle machines, they weren't used.  I've also recently played Baccarat dealt via BJ shuffle machines producing never ending shoes.   

I don't cash out my chips all at the same time.  I remember getting my ID check with any thing above 2K.  It seems most check for anything 1.2K or more now.  Not that I have anything to hide but I hate cashing out over a certain amount and have my ID checked all the time.

Good move, I usually just take chips home and don't buyin on the next visit.  Or if you know people, swap them for cash in the toilets or get somebody else you trust to cash them for you. 

[Rolex-Watch]

A few points...
1.  Nothing to worry about...find another casino, there's plenty about and with $100k you can now afford to fly somewhere else.
2.  I've never heard of a court banning someone from the casino for life but again, simply move shop.

In some parts of the world it ain't that easy, I don't have $100k, I was referring to somebody who won $100k over the course of a year.

That was pretty risky for the casino to set up the shoe to produce all those player runs.  If you smelled a rat you could have made 10 times your original $100k.  I say they deserve the money for taking a big risk to clean you out!

I would have made thousands IF I was there, as it was they had to refill the tray three times during the shoe, people were nearly fighting trying to get bets on, they did get hit.

Your friend also needs to surprise the casino and change his system when he plays and cash in.  Just one shoe should net $10k don't you think?

I don't know if that is even possible, because he never told me what the method was.

[Rolex-Watch]

In the US, it's usually 10K but for some casino, it's 8K.  Off course you can always return 24hrs later to play. 

It's a contentious issue, down-under there is a 10k limit, then you have to sign a government declaration.  However if they think you are trying to circumvent by cashing out $9k and then a few hours later anything more, they are obligated to report it.  Most casinos have a hidden Police station inside he complex.   I had a friend who I used to give money to for change for me and they would say, is that for the other guy! [smiley]yahoo/yahoosigh.gif[/smiley]

At the end of the day, they have a good idea how much people exchange, but why make it easy for them?

[NoRegret]

It's a contentious issue, down-under there is a 10k limit, then you have to sign a government declaration.  However if they think you are trying to circumvent by cashing out $9k and then a few hours later anything more, they are obligated to report it.  Most casinos have a hidden Police station inside he complex.   I had a friend who I used to give money to for change for me and they would say, is that for the other guy! [smiley]yahoo/yahoosigh.gif[/smiley]

At the end of the day, they have a good idea how much people exchange, but why make it easy for them?

I honestly don't doubt a word you say because it happened to me.  I lot of people I tell don't believe it but I do because it was me.  I have tried to let other people cash out for me but didn't get anything.  That's probably because they already know that we're doing it and didn't say it.  Every casino is different.  Another one that I went to call me out on 1.2K cash out at two cashier cage.  I cashed 1.2k at one and then waiting an hour and went to another cage.  The lady at the other cage asked me for ID and told me I cashed 1.2K at anther cage earlier.  That one surprised me because it wasn't even a large amount.  I remember that incident because I was surprise by that small amount.  I forgot to mention the cashier cage was on opposite ends of a large casino.  So surprise camera was following me when there were so many other high rollers.  It was total shock.  I end up going to another casino afterwards.  I notice it's even more strict in recent years.  I have reduced my winning goals to have more consistency and reduce stress but like I mention still get monitored.  3K bankroll usually but my wins are no larger than 35% and I don't cash out my br every day if I decide to come back to the same casino for a while.

[Sputnik]

 I have 6K bankroll and it does not matter if it would have been 10K.
Because the 20/100 flaw remains solid and valid.

20% win target is good by any means and you win on regular basis 20 20 20 20 20 five times in a row before you bust with 100 and lose it all back.
So a static win goal with static rules is not working or mechanical approch.

Some one need to succed to win 30 40 50 35 40 risking 100 five times in a row to gain a overall profit.
That is more easy to state then do in real life.

Cheers

Pst - found a solid and valid working card counting method for baccarat where you get a small edge - but i could not post it at John's private forum - because all mighty thinks he can ban any one with no reason at all - that really sucks.

[NoRegret]

Pst - found a solid and valid working card counting method for baccarat where you get a small edge - but i could not post it at John's private forum - because all mighty thinks he can ban any one with no reason at all - that really sucks.

Why don't you post it here?  I won't say that a system doesn't work without actually seeing it.  Some are clearly obvious that won't work.  I've read countless articles from people who tried this and failed at it.  Assuming that counting for that little edge MAY help.  Should you wait for end of one or two shoe and end up missing that hand or two, I think your mindset will be out the window.  Even BJ card counters can lose a hand on a real good count.  Assuming it works on paper and practice, doing that at the casino is a different story. You wait 4-5 times as long during practice as you would at a live game.  I deal with this same frustration.  I find myself playing differently as I would because of this reason.  On top of all that, you have the crazy and annoying crowds. It's like a zoo with all the animals running all over the place.  Some casino even allow the players to walk across the pit.

[alrelax]

Any system, all systems, any counts and all counts, will work equally against you for the greater period of time you play rather than for you. 

There is not 1 system to beat or get an advantage to baccarat that can prevail the majority of the times. 

For the simple fact you can have a winning hand with any value of card whether it be a value of 0 or 1.  In face large value cards or low value cards can reduce or add value to one side or the other, doesn't matter one bit as to what is left in a shoe.

There would be only 1 exception to what I said, that is if you knew there was say 10 or 15 cards of the same value left in the shoe around hand 77 or 78, then you might (MIGHT) be able to add up if a tie is possible or the B or P is coming out.   

[NoRegret]

Any system, all systems, any counts and all counts, will work equally against you for the greater period of time you play rather than for you. 

There is not 1 system to beat or get an advantage to baccarat that can prevail the majority of the times. 

For the simple fact you can have a winning hand with any value of card whether it be a value of 0 or 1.  In face large value cards or low value cards can reduce or add value to one side or the other, doesn't matter one bit as to what is left in a shoe.

Agree.  Although variance has worked pretty decent for me but I would take a hit after several days.  Luckily not hard enough to clear out SOME winning streaks.  In the end it's very little gain and that is expected.  Cross my fingers that it will continue to be this way.  I've heard of 5-6 years of continue success only to lose everything in a few months.

There would be only 1 exception to what I said, that is if you knew there was say 10 or 15 cards of the same value left in the shoe around hand 77 or 78, then you might (MIGHT) be able to add up if a tie is possible or the B or P is coming out.   

No, probably not even then.  UNLESS the 10-15 cards are all 0 or 10 in value and maybe one or two number cards, then you have a good chance of a tie.

[Rolex-Watch]

The lady at the other cage asked me for ID and told me I cashed 1.2K at anther cage earlier. 

If that happens again, just say, "I decided to play some more, is that ok".  Or throw in the usual comment "money back".

 

[WorldBaccaratKing]

What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?

Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.

I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.

Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful

The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....

So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck

trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.

[NoRegret]

If that happens again, just say, "I decided to play some more, is that ok".  Or throw in the usual comment "money back".

Not sure that will work.  They were following me.  I think I have a good explanation now.  Even though I am not a high roller at that casino playing in private rooms or even the highest roller in the regular rooms, they don't know who I am yet.  Most people have comps and they already know who they are.  Most casinos keep track of the 100 denomination that goes out to what spots.  That was in the days when they didn't allow over the shoulder or side bets, only seated players.

[alrelax]

What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?

Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.

I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.

Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful

The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....

So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck

trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.

WBK,  Many and I mean a lot of the Asian you see with sizable money, is pooled money from the larger businesses.  I know, my wife is SE Asian and as we talked, spent those years in NYC/NJ in the restaurant business as well as the adult biz.  Either the loan sharks loan to one, a business owner or other person with means of attachable income/assets, etc., and they designated a player.  Or, it is pooled money, 5, 10 , 15, 20 people pooling there cash together for various reasons.  You watch the whites/latinos and you will seldom seem see those with several people around them, but watch the Asians and you will generally see a few or many others around them, might not be right at the table but coming and going and the such.  Usually at least one or two watching and reporting to the others.

Don't get me wrong, people of 'solo' Asian with disposable income from legit sources or otherwise but equally or more the way I outlined. 

[alrelax]

 

In a few casinos I recently played at the cards are pre-shuffled in Japan and placed in a shoe after a cut, with computers you can do amazing things, why / how could they, who knows but all the shoes are kept in marked sealed boxes.  Despite having invested $60k on shuffle machines, they weren't used.  I've also recently played Baccarat dealt via BJ shuffle machines producing never ending shoes.   

At least in Vegas at numerous places, with the pre-shuffled shoes, players can request 2 or 3 cuts, seen it done many times over Asian New Year earlier this year.  They don't have a problem with it.

We even saw one casino where the players requested the deck cut twice and then the dealer did a quick hand shuffle, maybe broke the deck down to 5 or 6 decks and shuffle a couple of times, about one min worth or so.

[NoRegret]

What I don't understand is how people who gamble don't have money?

Seriously, I have 5-10k almost 99% of the time i walk into a casino. There are times i have 50k which fits nicely in my 2 front pockets wearing jeans. I have had a private reserved table with 20-30k.

I am a NOBODY in the gambling world. Some asians here lose 50-100k on a weekend.

Not sure of most peoples financial status (not my business) but even if you had some credit, christ I have 100k in available credit with credit cards if I would need a quick 5-10k or more. i mean if you work and have a reliable job, you should be able to recoup 5-10k in a month or so? idk, just talking out loud and not trying to offend anyone. Hell im going on a vaca in 2 weeks and its costing about 7k and im sure after little jaunts and buying stuff it will be more... but people who have a 5-10k bankroll if your retired and looking for 40-80 dollars a day, that's fine. if you think you will win 500-1k a day very doubtful

Be careful carrying that kind of money around.  Here in the states, I read police can take those money if you can't prove where money came from.  Yes, if you work or own a business, those kind of money should come easy but in last decade, people have been hit hard by economy.  Many around me, including myself have loss jobs.   Some even loss homes.   If you can't win consistently or consistently enough, that means it's a loss because you have bills pay. 

The reason I don't need more is because i YET to have a consistent winning system like 99.999999999% of the people....

I ran into a guy at the casino the other day that told me he won every single day last year before he was sick.  Then he just won the last 4 weeks straight since he returned.  I know some people go there just for $50-$60 a day so I find that believable.  What I find hard to believe is the size of bankroll he uses. But then again all the chips could be in his pocket.  I also found out that he uses promotional chips to play as well.  I find it hard to believe when he said he does $300 OR more.  I've done those amount on most days but I would get hit VERY hard on some.  It's hard to tell in recent years because they allow people to run all over the place.  I had to do that myself because the casino is always packed with people.  Since they introduced the bonuses it takes forever for one hand to deal.  Not to mention the headache of people screaming for dragon and fighting over which bet belongs to who.  I have taking huge losses not fully using my system.
Anyway, I wasn't tracking him on purpose but I saw him come in a few days ago and left real soon.  Must have loss everything.  There's no way he that he can make $300 betting $10-$15  that quickly.  I never seen him bet more.  Then a day after that, he was there almost as long as I was but I saw him struggling.  The day after that, I didn't even see him.

So, as I stated before I have made offers to these people saying they have this system and that and can win etc etc. They have crappola! best of luck

I'm only on this forum more often recently so I don't know about any offer.  What was it?  I mention several post ago that someone offer me this last week.  100K for 5K/day.   I was thinking about small percent of win as reward if I win and no reward if I didn't.  I was surprise that he offered half but would want half have I loss and he wanted the 5K everyday.   The only reason why he even offered it to me because he felt that I was a better player than most he'd seen.  I didn't expect half of the profit but of course it came with conditions that would balance.  He should realize that if I didn't play for him, he would lose it eventually since he has loss millions (many dealers have confirm this).  It was just too much pressure playing with that kind of condition.  Had he offer me a smaller percentage and do my best, I would have taken the deal.  After all, he came to me and I didn't go trying to scam him.

trust me, there are people I know on these forums who are millionaires. easily. if there was a system and you could show proof, they would provide a bank i am sure of that.

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Be careful carrying that kind of money around.  Here in the states, I read police can take those money if you can't prove where money came from.  Yes, if you work or own a business, those kind of money should come easy but in last decade, people have been hit hard by economy.  Many around me, including myself have loss jobs.   Some even loss homes.   If you can't win consistently or consistently enough, that means it's a loss because you have bills pay. 


I ran into a guy at the casino the other day that told me he won every single day last year before he was sick.  Then he just won the last 4 weeks straight since he returned.  I know some people go there just for $50-$60 a day so I find that believable.  What I find hard to believe is the size of bankroll he uses. But then again all the chips could be in his pocket.  I also found out that he uses promotional chips to play as well.  I find it hard to believe when he said he does $300 OR more.  I've done those amount on most days but I would get hit VERY hard on some.  It's hard to tell in recent years because they allow people to run all over the place.  I had to do that myself because the casino is always packed with people.  Since they introduced the bonuses it takes forever for one hand to deal.  Not to mention the headache of people screaming for dragon and fighting over which bet belongs to who.  I have taking huge losses not fully using my system.
Anyway, I wasn't tracking him on purpose but I saw him come in a few days ago and left real soon.  Must have loss everything.  There's no way he that he can make $300 betting $10-$15  that quickly.  I never seen him bet more.  Then a day after that, he was there almost as long as I was but I saw him struggling.  The day after that, I didn't even see him.

I'm only on this forum more often recently so I don't know about any offer.  What was it?  I mention several post ago that someone offer me this last week.  100K for 5K/day.   I was thinking about small percent of win as reward if I win and no reward if I didn't.  I was surprise that he offered half but would want half have I loss and he wanted the 5K everyday.   The only reason why he even offered it to me because he felt that I was a better player than most he'd seen.  I didn't expect half of the profit but of course it came with conditions that would balance.  He should realize that if I didn't play for him, he would lose it eventually since he has loss millions (many dealers have confirm this).  It was just too much pressure playing with that kind of condition.  Had he offer me a smaller percentage and do my best, I would have taken the deal.  After all, he came to me and I didn't go trying to scam him.

Im in the states, I have lived in NY my whole life! Carrying that sort of money is nothing. As I told you, these asians will have brown paper bags FULL of cash. Could be 6 inches of 20's that takes the dealer 15 minutes to count out and hold the game up. I seen it 100 times. My local casino I know a majority of the people in the backroom from dentists, to doctors to IT company owners. these guys have lost millions. Sure, you see em win 30-50k some times but overall they lose 2-3x that on normal weekends. People carry a lot of money.

few days ago 2 body builders came in, arms bigger than your legs, guy had 2 softball sized rolls (all hundreds) and he threw down 30k and it literally didn't dent the size of the one roll.....Not sure where you play or how or whatever but I see big money on a daily basis and its no big thing. seen a BJ player have 2 trays of oranges that's like 200k (5 rows in a tray, x 20 chips in a row). Anyways best of luck