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[Babu]

There are two types of members here. Those that made claims that they can win in Baccarat and those that don't believe it can be done.  We can settle this once and for all.  Those who can beat the challenge can having bragging rights.  The ones who fail or don't dare to take the challenge should refrain from posting all the great results they claim their system can produce.  Then the other half needs to stop harassing those who pass the challenge.

This challenge can be done without revealing your system so no don't use that excuse.  I can setup a computer for the challenger to play on the Wizard's site.  Anyone here for the challenge?

I don't want to waste my time posting the challenge until someone is interested.

[21 Aces]

It would be great to have everyone play at designated time on-line at a live casino.

[alrelax]

One or two or three or 5 shoes cannot and would not showcase anyone's skills or playing abilities. 

If you are after strictly a tournament or a competition for a handful of shoes, of course---and it would be just that, who did the best on that day. 

If you are strictly talking about a system, which is a whole other story---that is fine too.

If you are referring to progressions to recover and make a small number of units and then stop, that is artificial and will probably prevail.  Has no bearing on what that same progression will do tomorrow or in Vegas rather than A.C. or in Mississippi rather than Southern California, etc. 

There are numerous players here on the board and numerous 'rookies', 'newbies', 'inexperienced', etc.  Usually most have something to contribute and new ideas that might have not been heard or read prior, or still, worthy.  Even if they are deemed non-worthy by some, others might find avenues to explore or tips or something else of value. Your competition to pit one against the other would (IMO) chase people away for numerous reasons.  One person's play might prevail a certain number of times over someone else's and then vice-versa as well. Cannot prove a definitive winner in the classic sense of the venue, except who won a tournament. 

With all due respect, sincerely--why attempt to censor a free-speech newspaper with a hierarchy of rules set by those that win a challenge?  Although they were not the trend setters and role-models but people like O.J. Simpson, Amy Fisher, Bill Clinton, Ted Kaczynski, John N. Mitchell, Ted Bundy, Jack the Riper, Spiro Agnew, Jesse Jackson Jr., John Dean, John Ehrlichman and for the short list--let's also add Bill Cosby, Anita Faye Hill and to be racial non-biased, Clarence Thomas, etc., have interesting defenses and life stories that offer alternative frame-of-minds to some or a possible counter balance to the preaching done by someone standing in front of a podium in the classroom.  For instance, if my chosen field was being a criminal prosecutor or a criminal defense attorney or an investigator, those people's thoughts and stories sure would be informational rather than being censored or having them embarrassed to offer their sides of the coin in the public and private media.   Oh yeah---I almost forgot, rather than myself trying to summarize it, I rather copy and paste it from a Google; "Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) drove his car into the channel between Chappaquiddick Island and Martha's Vineyard, killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and received a suspended sentence of two months (1969)".

Baccarat is truly winnable to various players using various 'playing methods' they chose, guess at, invent, copy or even purchase.  The longevity of those wins is another story in itself. But the bottom line is, there are many ways to win and those players that seem to have less 'same betting method' type of play appear to prevail a larger amount of times.  A competition that pits one against another will only prove who won the 'Sunday Race' at the lake. 

[Babu]

One or two or three or 5 shoes cannot and would not showcase anyone's skills or playing abilities. 

If you are after strictly a tournament or a competition for a handful of shoes, of course---and it would be just that, who did the best on that day. 

If you are strictly talking about a system, which is a whole other story---that is fine too.

If you are referring to progressions to recover and make a small number of units and then stop, that is artificial and will probably prevail.  Has no bearing on what that same progression will do tomorrow or in Vegas rather than A.C. or in Mississippi rather than Southern California, etc. 

There are numerous players here on the board and numerous 'rookies', 'newbies', 'inexperienced', etc.  Usually most have something to contribute and new ideas that might have not been heard or read prior, or still, worthy.  Even if they are deemed non-worthy by some, others might find avenues to explore or tips or something else of value. Your competition to pit one against the other would (IMO) chase people away for numerous reasons.  One person's play might prevail a certain number of times over someone else's and then vice-versa as well. Cannot prove a definitive winner in the classic sense of the venue, except who won a tournament. 

With all due respect, sincerely--why attempt to censor a free-speech newspaper with a hierarchy of rules set by those that win a challenge?  Although they were not the trend setters and role-models but people like O.J. Simpson, Amy Fisher, Bill Clinton, Ted Kaczynski, John N. Mitchell, Ted Bundy, Jack the Riper, Spiro Agnew, Jesse Jackson Jr., John Dean, John Ehrlichman and for the short list--let's also add Bill Cosby, Anita Faye Hill and to be racial non-biased, Clarence Thomas, etc., have interesting defenses and life stories that offer alternative frame-of-minds to some or a possible counter balance to the preaching done by someone standing in front of a podium in the classroom.  For instance, if my chosen field was being a criminal prosecutor or a criminal defense attorney or an investigator, those people's thoughts and stories sure would be informational rather than being censored or having them embarrassed to offer their sides of the coin in the public and private media.   Oh yeah---I almost forgot, rather than myself trying to summarize it, I rather copy and paste it from a Google; "Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) drove his car into the channel between Chappaquiddick Island and Martha's Vineyard, killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and received a suspended sentence of two months (1969)".

Baccarat is truly winnable to various players using various 'playing methods' they chose, guess at, invent, copy or even purchase.  The longevity of those wins is another story in itself. But the bottom line is, there are many ways to win and those players that seem to have less 'same betting method' type of play appear to prevail a larger amount of times.  A competition that pits one against another will only prove who won the 'Sunday Race' at the lake.

English might be my second language but I don't believe that I suggested any competition among members.  I was merely suggesting a way for people to showcase, whether one claims they can win $60, $200, $2000 or x amount of units per session.  I thought you would be first for it.  Don't you think the boasting and attacks getting old?  If there is anything that will drive people away from the site is the same old posts, often with no content.

Will agree that you can learn from others even if an idea might seem silly at first.  As I have mention in other posts, I derived my system from some ideas here.  Some I even thought were silly at first.  No don't intend to stop anyone from saying what they want to say but I figure if one can't show what they claim they can't do that they would be embarrassed to continue making those claims.

It will involve about 160 shoes.  I know someone will say that is not the long run but I think many will agree that the system holds up pretty well it can last that many shoes.

I have come across many people outside of the casino and on forums claiming such and such but anytime I suggest going or meeting at the casino, they never show up, never seen around or always has excuse not to be there.  Guess there's no takers.


Silenccccceeeee

[Bally6354]

This challenge can be done without revealing your system so no don't use that excuse.  I can setup a computer for the challenger to play on the Wizard's site.  Anyone here for the challenge?

Set it up Babu and I will have a go. 👍

[Babu]

Set it up Babu and I will have a go. 👍

Thanks Bally!  I didn't think anyone would make an attempt.  I am not familiar with everyone but I didn't get a chance to read through some of your posts.  My computer is currently in pieces but once it's ready I will get back to you and get this going.  Just to let you know, I will try to do a screen capture of it.  Hopefully it is not too slow or eat up too many hard drive space.

I think you're still experimenting with systems if I get read everything right.  It does not matter if your bet selection or bet management is random or not.  In the past, I have come across people who claim a certain progression works and when time comes, they would deviate and do out of control Marty bets.

Just remember this challenge is not to ridicule anyone.

For the record, write a brief description of:

1. Your system or approach
2. Bankroll
3. Daily winning goals, stop losses, approximately how many shoes you play per day.   (If you have any)
4. Where do you reside.
5. Days and times you can do this as we are all in different time zones.
6. Do you have Windows platform computer?

This is all I can think of at the moment.  We can coordinate further.

[Bally6354]

Hello Babu,

Thanks for your reply. To answer your questions.

1. I would use a VDW (arithmetic progression) approach. I have pretty much spent the last 6-9 months studying this hardcore. I know what works best, why it works and probably more importantly when it doesn't work and why it doesn't work.

2. In the test, I would use Lanky's divisor MM. A bankroll of a few hundred units should suffice. It's the only MM I would ever use.

3. Playing 5 shoes a day would get through 150 in a month which is a good enough sample IMO. The variance is low with VDW/AP because of the non-random approach. I don't like to set predetermined targets.

4. I reside in the UK.

5. I can do a few hours in the morning and a few more at night. Say... 08.00am GMT-10.00am GMT  and 10..00pm GMT- 12.00am GMT.

6. I am running windows 10 at the moment.

I am happy to accept the challenge. Maybe a few others will as well with different approaches and MM. Hopefully that answers most of your questions Babu.

Thanks.

[Babu]

Hello Babu,

Thanks for your reply. To answer your questions.

1. I would use a VDW (arithmetic progression) approach. I have pretty much spent the last 6-9 months studying this hardcore. I know what works best, why it works and probably more importantly when it doesn't work and why it doesn't work.

2. In the test, I would use Lanky's divisor MM. A bankroll of a few hundred units should suffice. It's the only MM I would ever use.

3. Playing 5 shoes a day would get through 150 in a month which is a good enough sample IMO. The variance is low with VDW/AP because of the non-random approach. I don't like to set predetermined targets.

4. I reside in the UK.

5. I can do a few hours in the morning and a few more at night. Say... 08.00am GMT-10.00am GMT  and 10..00pm GMT- 12.00am GMT.

6. I am running windows 10 at the moment.

I am happy to accept the challenge. Maybe a few others will as well with different approaches and MM. Hopefully that answers most of your questions Babu.

Thanks.

Thanks Bally!   I am not doing this for me.  I think it will be good for the site as it will bring back productivity.  I do know people who has won overall at this game even though it is not daily or life changing winnings.  I'll try to wip up the computer, put it in a separate network and get it ready as soon as I can.  Hopefully it can will work well as it will be play remotely and adding screen capture.  Not even sure my fastest computer can handle it.  If not, hopefully someone with a fast computer and fast internet connection can help. 

[Bally6354]

Thanks Babu, I will look forward to it.

Yes for sure, people win and win consistently. The VDW approach has worked great for me so far and I see no reason why that should not continue. It is a really strong approach combined with the divisor. What more can someone ask for.....a low variance strategy and a good MM which can keep the bets low even when you do hit the odd rough patch. It's manageable and can be employed for real at a Bricks and Mortar Casino. My aim isn't to become rich but I certainly am not going to be happy playing online for pennies after all the time and research I have dedicated to studying casino games. So a test like this which can show positive results within realistic parameters which anybody could replicate is a worthwhile aim.

cheers

[alrelax]

Thanks Babu, I will look forward to it.

Yes for sure, people win and win consistently. The VDW approach has worked great for me so far and I see no reason why that should not continue. It is a really strong approach combined with the divisor. What more can someone ask for.....a low variance strategy and a good MM which can keep the bets low even when you do hit the odd rough patch. It's manageable and can be employed for real at a Bricks and Mortar Casino. My aim isn't to become rich but I certainly am not going to be happy playing online for pennies after all the time and research I have dedicated to studying casino games. So a test like this which can show positive results within realistic parameters which anybody could replicate is a worthwhile aim.



cheers

So, you have yet to play bac in a casino?  Am I reading that correctly?

[Bally6354]

So, you have yet to play bac in a casino?  Am I reading that correctly?

Al, I mix my play up between live and online casinos. I wrote above in the message you quoted that my way of play is manageable in a live casino. I am talking from experience.

Cheers

[alrelax]

Al, I mix my play up between live and online casinos. I wrote above in the message you quoted that my way of play is manageable in a live casino. I am talking from experience.

Cheers

Yes, that is what I thought, but somehow i read you were study, "with all the time spent studying/researching", etc.  My bad, probably a tad bit too much Sriracha for me, huh??

[stephen tabone]

anytime, bring it on! those who don't believe is systems I say this, you're living in one, the solar system !! I'll prove my system works which is why I'm a best seller in baccarat category

[grimazer]

If you can to work with systems it will help you every time you playing. Stop afraid it!

[Eight Iron]

anytime, bring it on! those who don't believe is systems I say this, you're living in one, the solar system !! I'll prove my system works which is why I'm a best seller in baccarat category

I purchased the Kindle version of your book.  After testing your system on fifty of the real card shoes I have on record, your system ended up losing twelve units, not counting commissions, and lost twenty of those fifty shoes.

For comparison, betting Banker exclusively to the end of each shoe, would have yielded 118 units on those same fifty shoes.