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[alrelax]

A great shoe for most any baccarat player and the systems guy actually losses money???  Come the frick on guys!!!  Seriously?

Here is the shoe again, actual casino screen shot and of course i will include my score card, messy, nasty, notes, scribble and all the other stuff real gamblers and real baccarat players write while anxiously sitting there at a real live casino table.

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"Re: 20 years 50/50 baccarat research resulted in 2 books in top #7
« Reply #208 on: Today at 12:54:57 am »

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that one single shoe you have selected I would be 1- having exited half way through."

[gizmo26]

A great shoe for most any baccarat player and the systems guy actually losses money???  Come the frick on guys!!!  Seriously?

Here is the shoe again, actual casino screen shot and of course i will include my score card, messy, nasty, notes, scribble and all the other stuff real gamblers and real baccarat players write while anxiously sitting there at a real live casino table.

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"Re: 20 years 50/50 baccarat research resulted in 2 books in top #7
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that one single shoe you have selected I would be 1- having exited half way through."

Alrelax, Stephen already explained to members that 1. you are posting fake shoe results, 2. you are posting shoes that show a loss because you are attacking him and his book. 3. he advised readers to note down their own results and not rely on fake shoes and fake application of his book and updates to his book! 4. you are losing control of yourself, you are picking and choosing and deleting posts and treads to cover your lies! 5. people do not like you and are taking about you in PMs they are sick of you. 6. You are not donating funds to this site but are causing problems. 7. you are slandering people and then saying they can't defend themselves. 8. you didn't even buy the book or get the updates. 8. you have to stop what you are doing because you will end up in a mental hospital.

[Lungyeh]

To do a fake shoe from a screenshot must take lots of efforts huh Glen? You must be very free. Lol. Anyway, all I can say is that there is a diversity of opinions here on this forum and we should allow for that. Like they say there are many ways to cook a fish (skin a cat may not be politically correct) and there are many ways to play baccarat.

But from my experience, and I have mentioned it a few times, each and every system has a nemesis. And that's probably why Elliot on casinoforum has come up with several systems and charging for it and one has to identity to what kind of shoe to apply which system ie NOR, S4, MvD etc.

Stephan will probably head towards that direction since he is now into V3?

[alrelax]

To do a fake shoe from a screenshot must take lots of efforts huh Glen? You must be very free. Lol. Anyway, all I can say is that there is a diversity of opinions here on this forum and we should allow for that. Like they say there are many ways to cook a fish (skin a cat may not be politically correct) and there are many ways to play baccarat.

But from my experience, and I have mentioned it a few times, each and every system has a nemesis. And that's probably why Elliot on casinoforum has come up with several systems and charging for it and one has to identity to what kind of shoe to apply which system ie NOR, S4, MvD etc.

Stephan will probably head towards that direction since he is now into V3?

correct I wish I could do screenshots of a lot of shoes but the few places I play out in the midwest they are so against cameras for anything it took an Act of God almost to get that done it was two phone calls and two supervisors in order to let me take a picture of the screen only and they had to stand behind me and make sure there was nothing outside of the scoreboard. but anyway you're right so we'll let it die I've made my point now we got all the other scatterbrains coming on who's in connection with Steven or Stephen some extra names on the border someone else's extra names but will let it ride the way it is Vic will address it.

[gizmo26]

To do a fake shoe from a screenshot must take lots of efforts huh Glen? You must be very free. Lol. Anyway, all I can say is that there is a diversity of opinions here on this forum and we should allow for that. Like they say there are many ways to cook a fish (skin a cat may not be politically correct) and there are many ways to play baccarat.

But from my experience, and I have mentioned it a few times, each and every system has a nemesis. And that's probably why Elliot on casinoforum has come up with several systems and charging for it and one has to identity to what kind of shoe to apply which system ie NOR, S4, MvD etc.

Stephan will probably head towards that direction since he is now into V3?

Dear, dear, dear, do you seriously think people will fall for that comment:  "To do a fake shoe from a screenshot must take lots of efforts huh Glen?"

Everyone on this forum knows that Alrelax, Glen is an habitual poster therefore it follows that his an habitual taker of photos. I don't buy for one minute his lies about not being allowed to take pictures of the screen and that they all stand around him to make sure nothing else appears in the shot!

What is the name of the casino, I will check that that screen design is there and check with them if people are allowed to take pictures of screens, and I will also check if they even have the time to stand around a person taking a picture.

Since I believe Alrelax take many pictures, he just went home, worked out what shoe was a bad shoe for Stephen and then posted that one picture! Simple, you don't have to be Colombo to work that one out. Who are you trying to fool Lungheh! All of the shoes Gleny boy has ever posted in ref to Stephen's system have been losing or break even shoes!! Can't you smell a rat. Also I read on one of your posts that treble two caused you to lose playing TUBS, I did really buy the book and  when terrible 2s come using TUBS, Tabone's book, you do not win or lose, so how did you buy the book? Are you being truthful in anything you write?

Has it not crossed your mind that as Stephen wrote it is new tread http://betselection.cc/stephen-tabone's/baccarat-number-one-best-seller/msg57594/#msg57594 Alrelax never posts good and great shoes that show his system in a good light? He only posts bad or below break even shoes... bit odd don't you think!!!!

Lungheh, can't you see that Alrelax has been attacking Stephen ever since he joined his forum!! As well as other members and then deletes his treads to cover up his wrongdoing. And you're agreeing with Alrelax!!! WTF and then promoting the workshop in Vegas too !!! oh dear, you're one of the mob members too!! ha ha 

[Babu]

A great shoe for most any baccarat player and the systems guy actually losses money???  Come the frick on guys!!!  Seriously?

Here is the shoe again, actual casino screen shot and of course i will include my score card, messy, nasty, notes, scribble and all the other stuff real gamblers and real baccarat players write while anxiously sitting there at a real live casino table.

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"Re: 20 years 50/50 baccarat research resulted in 2 books in top #7
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that one single shoe you have selected I would be 1- having exited half way through."

Do you have the fake before and after shoe?  Want to see how my system holds up.  This is a losing shoe for me but my system rely on multiple shoes.

[Lungyeh]

Dear Gizmo,

1) I mentioned I lost my bankroll playing Greg Fletcher's system because I ran into several shoes with predominant 2s. That must hve been ages ago. Long before TUBS and Steven coming here. I never knew about TUBS then. I said I wanted to buy TUBS but instead I bought the wrong book Baccarat Players Advantage promoted by another member of the forum for US$50! Wth! And there is no system in the book. When I am not traveling n free I will sit down to order TUBS and see what the furore is all about

2) like most people here, I have other things to do. I have several businesses to run. Some have other jobs. Alrelax, I know has a thriving business to manage. It just would be unfathomable to think that he would go and create fake shoes to be nemesis for Steven's book. Maybe Gizmo, you may have more time and have the intellect to do things fast and furious given that running a roulette school for 4-5 pax may not  be too time demanding. People who have not worked full time or managed business(es) full time in recent years tend not to know the time demands. I am just assuming Alrelax got better things to do. I can speak on his behalf on that. If the accusations fall on you as the one creating th fake shoes, I may take the same stance because I really don't believe someone would take the time to do that. But I also may not because I really don't know if you really have the time and leisure to do it

3) I am not part of the mob against Steven. My last posting is was also addressed to alrelax to remind him we have many people with many different ideas and perhaps he should take heed. My position is that there would always be a nemesis for each and every system. I don't know why you say I am part of the mob. I may mob against you Gizmo. Its just that I don't think you are worth my time given my experiences with you. I neither have the time nor energy to spar with people whose full time job is running a roulette college for 4-5 pax and claim a superior intellect to devise fully guaranteed win systems. All the best to you Gizmo. Just done drag me into your battle with alrelax. I would be a better friend than enemy.

[Gizmotron]

Please don't confuse me with gizmo26. I'm pretty clear in stating that both Glen (Alrelax) and Lungyeh know that any system has it's strong streaks, its losing streaks, and flat times as far as being effective. They have both made that clear.


I'm done giving any gambling advice until I get my own act together.


Good luck at the tables everyone, because it doesn't take luck, it takes skill.

[Lungyeh]

Apologies Gizmotron. Have a good rest.

[ADulay]

A great shoe for most any baccarat player and the systems guy actually losses money???  Come the frick on guys!!!  Seriously?

Nice shoe under VDW.   +16 if I did it right in my head while glancing at the screen shot.

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