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[ADulay]

As a preface to this message.

If anyone thinks this is a spam, shill or advertising type of message, PLEASE ASK ME OR ANOTHER MOD TO DELETE IT.

As this forum is based on "bet selection" and specifically roulette (although the majority of threads are roulette specific) I figure it might just give some people an idea of what others are doing to take some money out of the casino.

We may love to play roulette, but if it's not making you any money, can it really be all that much fun?

I am posting this up here to show what a recent convert to baccarat had to say after finally getting to a live casino to run with his recently discovered talent.  I have edited the post to sanitize any obvious references to where or whom this is attributed to.   I do have permission to repost this message here.

Please note the comment that I had bolded and underlined to show what an intelligent and trained player thinks when he sees the great unwashed masses playing a table game in their usual manner!!

Also remember that baccarat, unlike roulette, is not an independent event type of game.   Once the first card comes out, the shoe is set in stone and nothing can change it during the course of play.  If you are a trend type of player, you seriously need to take a look at baccarat as your game of choice.

AD
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I have only been playing Baccarat Live online but this week I am working 500m from the Sydney Casino ...so I thought that I'd check out the Baccarat tables.

My first impressions...

I've never witnessed so many utterly braindead people doing everything possible to throw their money away. (Edit: The emphasis was mine.  AD) At the $200 min tables...not one single person was using a scorecard FFS! Damn near everybody were betting Ties as a side bet...People walking past the table would just lay a few chips with scant regard for the history of the game...I'm thinking "This is crazy $h1t"

I'm not confident enough to take on the $200 min tables yet so I headed over to the $20/$30 min tables and checked out the Tote boards as I went. I noticed a very small number here using scorecards...but not many at all...maybe 1 person for every 4 tables

I grabbed a few scorecards...first prob was that the Player/Banker were in reverse order...but the cards are horizontal anyway so I turned them vertically and scored as we do here on BTC

Second prob was that the Player/Banker colours on the Tote Boards are the opposite to what I am used to...so, that meant taking a little more care.

OK...Down to the nitty gritty...

I noted a Tote Board on a $30 table which began with... B1222...Pretty obvious to any of us what to do here...so, I jumped onboard playing OTB4LM3...U1D1M2.

I changed modes a few times between M3 and M2 and had to keep an eye on the ZZs... I Had 1 losing 5iar but changing modes took care of the next 5iar.

The upshot is that despite losing the 4 bets on the first 5iar I finished up with a 55 unit win...I gotta be happy with that.

I had a whole bunch of very pi$$ed off people at my table who could tell that I wasn't near as experienced as them...but my chip count was growing as fast as their's was depleting...They weren't happy little vegemites...lol (some tried to follow me in the end...but couldn't understand my betting strategy)

Seriously...anyone on here would have beaten this shoe to varying degrees...The early signs that this was an OTB4L shoe couldn't have been more obvious ...Some would have been on from the start and ended up with a win of over 60 units

BTW: I played the same shoe at home using S40 and finished with a 36 unit advantage...so it beggars belief that everyone else on my table was really struggling...Go figure...I left after playing this 1 shoe before I got tarred and feathered...(that and I told the Missus a little porky pie about me working back) lol...Bad Oz

A point of note: A few things that were really rammed home to me after this shoe.

The 3 most important rules of playing Baccarat...

1) Table selection

2) Table selection

3) Table selection

OK...I know that I was lucky...these shoes can't come around very often...but the thing is that NOR told me to get onboard this shoe and told me how to play it.

[Albalaha]

Captain,
        You are seriously mistaken the facts. If baccarat has a fixed set of cards and after a few cards have been dealt everybody can know which ones are remaining but it doesn't change the randomness of the game and I can guarantee that u can not predict which one among "Player, Banker or Tie" will win, even if u know the last 6 cards remaining unless u know the exact order they are placed in the shoe.
         Do not create a new "fallacy" that baccarat is predictable or has more predictability with compare to roulette. It could however, be a better game for EC players due to lower house edge.

[ADulay]

Captain,
        You are seriously mistaken the facts.

Uh, you are seriously mistaken on your reading interpretation.

If baccarat has a fixed set of cards and after a few cards have been dealt everybody can know which ones are remaining.

I don't believe that's what I said.  I did say that once the first card is dealt, the shoe is set in stone and nothing will change the outcome.  I did not say that everybody knows which cards are remaining.

Do not create a new "fallacy" that baccarat is predictable or has more predictability with compare to roulette.

No, I did not say that either.  I believe you are referring to my statement that "trend" players may have a better chance at baccarat than roulette for the reasons mentioned earlier.

It could however, be a better game for EC players due to lower house edge.

On that statement we both agree.

Now, on to the subject of baccarat.   I posted up that original message to show people that there actually may be ways to take money out of the casinos by using a structured, well thought out and tested method of play.  I cannot recall EVER seeing a message like the original one where a former baccarat player comes into a roulette forum and expounds to the world that he's now winning at the game.   Has anyone ever taken the time to think about why that is?

We all understand the basics of gambling (or we should) and understand what won't work but we continue to see variations of the same, tired, losing ways of play.   How many ways can you manipulate columns and dozens before you run out of permutations of increasing wagers?   Yet the subject continues to be brought up year after year and has been since as long as I can remember.  (Uh, that's pre-computer for most of you).

I'm not really sure why I'm continuing this discussion, but it's Saturday and the Keurig machine is working just fine so while listening to Armin Van Buuren in the background, I figured I'd just type away.

Enough for now.  All I wanted to do was show that there are people who are excited to learn something and then realize that they were playing all wrong until they were made aware of how to take a different look at the game.  The original statement about how brain dead most people were playing really struck a nerve with me and that's the reason I posted it up here.

AD (I just know I'm going to regret posting this)

[Chrisbis]

Don't regret the posting.


Great to read and learn new stuff.


Please tell me....

I noted a Tote Board on a $30 table which began with... B1222...Pretty obvious to any of us what to do here...so, I jumped onboard playing OTB4LM3...U1D1M2....

what do these codes "OTB4LM3" refer to? Is it a name of a certain play technique?
I have never played Bacc as yet, so I was intrigued to learn all I can.

cheers in anticipation.

[VLS]

Hi Chris,

NOR OTB4L and TB4L Baccarat Betting

[VLS]

NOR Baccarat Seminar Introduction


NOR LasVegas Part II


Ellis Plays NOR Baccarat

[VLS]

The case for OTB4L/TB4L
by E. Clifton Davis

http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/content.php?r=1620-The-case-for-OTB4L-TB4L

Hope it helps.

[Chrisbis]

Thank you kind sir. 

[Sputnik]

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I once in the past backtrack two of his system and also was member at his forum.
Garbage,my opinion.

[Albalaha]

Baccarat is just like no zero bet voyager roulette for EC players. You need to pay the cost of no zero in betvoyager by giving 10% of  your winnings. Similarly, you pay 5% commission on all Banker wins in baccarat and there is nothing like zero that can spoil both EC bets.
             

[NathanDetroit]

Sputnik ,

If your casino is   featuring a Baccarat section just GO FOR it. The  best casno  game .


Select only ONE dominant and bet after it shows.

You should  be allowed to sit out  some hands..

If  alone at the table  bet equal amounts on Banker and P;layer.

2-1-2 / regression system.

Also the 1-2-2 system but ONLY for  Baccarat
. This is NOT the 1-2-2  as  discussed in the  JP roulette book 

PROPER bankroll requirements :

30 times the table minimum for  ONE session. Make plans  for 3 sessions in  an attempt to win 2 out of 3 sessions.





For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.

ND