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[alrelax]

The story of 2 players, one losses $75,000.00 plus. The other wins $44,000.00.

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[Johno-Egalite]

Have never seen a table like this, I guess it is a single game?  Which dealer pulls the cards?

What are those green chips worth, finally were you sitting at box 12?

[alrelax]

I will outline what happened last night and post it.

Chips are all standard through-out USA.

Reds $5, Green $25, Black $100, Purples $500, Yellows or Orange (pumpkins) $1,000 and the larger casino properties have $5,000 (normally called flags or chocolates) and $10,000 (various colors) chips and occasionally $25,0000 also various colors (the latter two pretty much limited to Vegas larger casinos and a handful of other ones around. 

Yes I was in Seat 12, and the two that got in a battle where where I circled with the yellow.  One was H-Money's brother in law in fact.

And yes it is a single game, 12 seats with a max of 36 people can play.

The dealer on the far side pulls the cards only.  The dealer facing seats 1-7. 

[Johno-Egalite]

and the two that got in a battle

What??

Why get in a battle with each other, it' the casino they are up against, it's not a Poker game!!!!

[Jimske]

One of your previous screenshots showed table Min 25; table max $500.  Is this a different pit or casino?  What are the table limits?  It's hard to tell exactly but looking at the shot I see a lot of green and some red but I don't see stack that would make one think someone winning or losing 40-70k.

[alrelax]

Man???  Seriously. Why do you say things not true?? yes, it bothers me, your challenges.

I play at two places mostly unless i travel to a CET property 3-4 hours away or outside of Chicago or down in the Tri State area another 3-4 hours south east.  So please.

The two places I play at are currently $25.00 to $5,000.00 (NOT $500.00) which went from $10.00 to $2,000.00 to the current $25.00 to $5,000.00 if you take the time to actually look at the screen shot.

The other place is either $10.00 to $1,000.00 or $25.00 to $2,500.00 depending on the time, day and amount of seats taken, etc.

Here are the screen shots posted you refer to for the $25.00 to $500.00.  The floor manager allowed me to take the pics without editing, the other place says okay at times, but they want to see the edit of the chips, players faces as well as part of their score board.  Their rules, not mine.

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The above is a 3 card 8/9 where I was on the Banker with about $300 bet with $10.00 or so for the dealer (dealer at this place keep 100% of their tips if they are full rotational dealer status) the payout is made on the table for the Banker, waiting for the floor manger to come over to okay the 8/9 $2,000.00 payout.  $20 max on 8/9 for a $4,000 payout.  Sorry no $500.00 limit around any longer!


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F-7 winning wager, no Banker payout of the $100.00 I wagered on Banker, the $45.00 F-7 just paid, I had $50.00 on the F-7 but the dealer said, what about a nickel for me and I can try harder, or something like it, so i slide a nickel off the top of my F-7 and I snapped the pic as soon as the dealer took the $205.00 for the dealer tip and dropped it in their tip box, again, the dealer keeps their tips, no pooling for full rotational dealers, if they are part time or not full rotational, they do a 75-25 split with the other table game dealers, etc.) so tips are extremely valuable to some dealers.

Again, no $500.00 table max around here.  Where you come up with stuff like that in the attempt to discredit what I take the time and trouble to post, is very disturbing. 

[alrelax]

I do not really have to defend what I write, but in this case I felt compelled to because  of your statements.

If you look closely, maybe get a magnifying glass as well, both the players fighting with each other I referred to have stacks of black and purples as well next to their green chips.  There is stack of purple I recall which is higher than the player this side of the one with his arms crossed, higher than the players knuckles.  Both of them have other stacks among their green. 

Personally, all of my win, most of the time is straight off the table and only my buy-in plus maybe a 1/3rd extra if I won, would be on the table.  I know almost all of the time, when it is one the table almost nothing will restrict the player from using it when emotions hit.  Maybe table min player's that grind and do $25 to $100 wagers can control themselves, but most cannot, especially with thousands or tens of thousands sitting there in open view ready to be wagered.  The player's brain only computes each wager $500 to $1,500 or whatever, not 10 to 20 or 30 wagers times $500.00 to $1,5000.00 equals, XYZ.  Sorry, been there and done all that.

Same thing back east at all the $100.00 to $10,000.00 tables or out in Vegas anywhere from the $100-$10,000.00 to the $200/$300/$500 to $15,000/$20,000/$25,000 tables.  No different. 

[Jimske]

I'm not accusing you, just asking.  I recall during your turning points discussion seeing a table max on one of the screen shots.  I recall because I was speaking about it to a friend and commented that you said "we won $22,000.00" . . . and I said that's weird what does he mean by "we" won.  Is he playing partners?  And then I said anyway, how can you win 22k with a table max of 500?  That's how come I remember that.  To be fair I looked around at your screenshots and cannot find the one that I "thought" showed the table limits.  In fact NONE of them show table limits at all. . . so now I am thinking maybe it was just a dream.

Here the screenshot you show show is a whole different layout from the original one you are showing for the table "battle."  Different casinos?  Different pits?

Since we're talking I remind you that you were going to talk about bet selection.  ??

Thanks

[Johno-Egalite]

So what is the story regarding "the battle", were they competing against each other??  How come that happened, if it did?

[AsymBacGuy]

Even not knowing the details, it's interesting to notice that in such "fight" the loser have lost almost the double won by the winner.
That's why casinos prosper.

I really do not see how a player gifted with only two neurons could lose a lot by wagering the first shoe displayed.

as.

 

[alrelax]

I'm not accusing you, just asking.  I recall during your turning points discussion seeing a table max on one of the screen shots.  I recall because I was speaking about it to a friend and commented that you said "we won $22,000.00" . . . and I said that's weird what does he mean by "we" won.  Is he playing partners?  And then I said anyway, how can you win 22k with a table max of 500?  That's how come I remember that.  To be fair I looked around at your screenshots and cannot find the one that I "thought" showed the table limits.  In fact NONE of them show table limits at all. . . so now I am thinking maybe it was just a dream.

Here the screenshot you show show is a whole different layout from the original one you are showing for the table "battle."  Different casinos?  Different pits?

Since we're talking I remind you that you were going to talk about bet selection.  ??

Thanks

Here, let me set this straight.  Please.  For those that do not follow all threads and wade back through many months of postings elsewhere on the board.

I play mostly at 2 local casinos within an hour to hour and a half drive.  They are medium sized full gaming area/properties but not a Foxwoods/Seminole Florida or a Vegas large strip style place, although they both have hotels, numerous restaurants, thousands of slots and many table games, just not the 10+ bac tables the large city places have with the private salons, etc.  They are $1,000 to $5,000 max tables, always were since i have been in the Midwest.  Sometimes I play at the TwinCities places and there are two casinos there but they are $300.00 max per spot, but a player can wager 3 spots if he is continual and gets there before others sit at the spots.  Otherwise he can wager up to 10 spots if others are under the $300 max, they are $10 to $300 per seat.  There is one south of the Twin Cities at a horse race track and one north of the Twin Cities, one has 4 busy bac tables the other one has 2 tables.  But you can do $25 on F7 or the P8 wagers at those.  The others ones are as shown, I never took a pic of the ones in the Twin Cities. 

The one with the $25 to $5,000 Bad Beat Table now, was the one with the $10.00 to $2,000 prior to raising there limits and changing the score board screens.  Again, at that one you can wager on as many spots as you want if people are sitting there wagering or not.  The other one with the larger table you cannot wager on another persons spot if you are over at the table max.  Their rules, not the state gaming boards rules.  So if I am sitting in seat 12 and want to wager Player and I desire a F7 bet and the guy next to me is on Banker, I can place up to $25 or $50 on his F7, if he is under the F7 max or not betting on it.  Or, I can place min on my Banker and also place a Player bet to table max, then I can wager the F7 bet. 

At the other place where it is Bad Beat Bac, it is a $25 min.  You can wager $25 alone on the side bets without a B or P wager if you like.  You can also wager the P8 wager if you are on the Banker side unlike the other places around. 

When I won the $22k it was at the Bad Beat Table style.  The (WE) was probably because I was with other people playing, but not partners.  The screen shot would have been the $25 to $500 one because that was the casino.  There is a $500 max on ties there and it says that right under $5,000 max on B or P, that had to be what you saw/seen and thought it was $25 to $500?  I would think anyway.

The battle of the two players I mentioned the other night was at a $25/$2,000 table.  Most of the players there, at least half are probably your $300 to $700 buy in type of weekly players, wagering table min to $50 a hand or so, 1 to 3 times a week and your several thousand to $10k-$15k buy in (at one time or prepared to make several buy-ins) types of players wagering $100 to $1,000 or even a bit higher per hand when they wager.  And yes, that is not a Bad Beat Bac table.  It holds 12 people with 36 spots, 24 can stand and play on their own spot, there are 3 spots per seat. 

[alrelax]

Even not knowing the details, it's interesting to notice that in such "fight" the loser have lost almost the double won by the winner.
That's why casinos prosper.

I really do not see how a player gifted with only two neurons could lose a lot by wagering the first shoe displayed.

as.

AS, how many times have you seen thousands and thousands on one side and table min or say one hundred or two hundred dollars on the other side and the side with no money or extremely little wins.  Most times?  At least, the lesser of the two the highest majority of the times.  It is just that way.  Of course the occasional shoe that the casino losses the entire rack, but those days are sadly over 99.9% of the time as I have wrote about. 

That pic was actually the second shoe, they started their war just before I arrived on two shoes prior, but it heated up on the shoe before the one I posted and the one just before that one at the end.

[alrelax]

From what I know and what I was told, it started when the one that lost the $75k was down about $20K and the other one was about even, maybe up $5k or so at the most.  The one gives him $50 to put on the F7 on his spot and the guy had no F7 wager out, just a Banker bet.  So he said no he was going to bet the F7 and he proceeded to then put up the max on the F7 and of course it came out.  So one blamed the other and said he only wagered it because he wanted to.  (And, the guy that did wager it, almost never wagers F7, he is heavy on the ties and the Dragon bonuses by large and far).

That is what started it.  Then they would clearly wager against each other.  As soon as one wagered on the Banker the other would wager on the Player.  The one that lost big time, is the more vocal one by far.  About every 5th or 6th hand the one that lost would square off on the other one with insults both about playing as well as personal.  Do not forget, this casino is not in a huge metro city, most players know each other outside the casino or at least have played hundreds of times together. 

The one that won, at times was clearly wagering after and against the other one.  I do not think they were on the same side more than 2 or 3 times out of 2 shoes with about 40-50 wagers out of those 2 shoes. 

[AsymBacGuy]

Yeah, I know Al.
Weird things that happen...

Do not tell me that you have lost on that session having two strong human betting indicators...:-)

as.




 

[alrelax]

Yeah, I know Al.
Weird things that happen...

Do not tell me that you have lost on that session having two strong human betting indicators...:-)

as.

I did not lose.  But I certainly could have won considerably more.  I did win but nothing to write home about for sure. 

Both of the players there are very well known, both with large families and each has their own following with family members and friends.  Do not forget, this is not Vegas or elsewhere where it is more transient players and not many really know each other.  It is totally the opposite.

The one that won is a consistent pressed up for a couple of wagers and then pull down.  The one that lost is more of a consistently negative progressive player for a couple wagers no matter what to recover.  And when you are wagering $500.00 to $1,000.00 at a $2,000.00 table that is extremely hard to do with lots of Bankers or Players coming out or against whatever you are wagering anyway.  So, lose $2,000.00 or $3,000.00 and win $500.00 or $750.00 it really adds up quickly.  Take a pen and paper and figure that out if you do not think so.