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[AsymBacGuy]

Hi wewin!

Generally speaking, thinking that casinos do cheat is an absurdity.
Bac players lose more than what they are entitled to because they want to break even per every single losing session they experience. Moreover these players try to erase their deficit by betting less favourable options like wagering side bets without card counting, maybe hoping that a 40 to 1 payment will show up.

No matter how smart is a person, itlr B>P, B singles<B streaks and so on.

The real smart player is one who knows how much an expected positive or negative deviation could last for one shoe, for two shoes and for several shoes.

Everybody here knows that after getting a win at different degrees the most likely subsequent outcomes will be losers, no matter what are the chosen wagers. So it comes the classical suggestion to quit as winners that imo doesn't make any sense.

The rule is to get more losers than winners, so imo the best way to take is waiting to be huge fictional losers because W/L ratios cannot overcome certain given values. In a way or another.







   

   

 

[alrelax]

Hence player's plateaus but this crowd does not believe in them or care about them, imo.

[Wewin2222]

Hi AsymBacGuy,

I have to disagree with you on the point of Casino's cheating because I have personnel caught them on numerous occasions! They usually play it off as a mistake by the dealer, however that is basic cheating. The Casino has all the cameras and all the technology and they will do whatever it takes to separate you from your money. I'm not going to argue the point but to me it would be absurd to think the Casino wouldn't cheat! I still win in spite of their cheating and at times I use it against them. The biggest problem I have now is the electronic shoe, I have placed large wagers and notice the electronic shoe start making an unusual noise like it's trying to deal a underneath or second card. It only did this on my large wagers. It's bad enough that they have the shuffle master which can be beat if you know how to read the cards but now the electronic shoe is excessive cheating. Sad but true!!

Wewin2222

[alrelax]

What, you think there is a little conveyer belt in the lid contained in a compartment?  Or perhaps there is a small set of fingers that can be deployed upon the pit personnel pushing a magical button???  Maybe, huh?

[Sputnik]

Hence player's plateaus but this crowd does not believe in them or care about them, imo.

Hello alrelax, what does the word Plateaus mean, can you describe it, this english word is unknown for me.

Cheers

[Wewin2222]

People are blinded by the free food and free room.

Wewin2222

[alrelax]

Hello alrelax, what does the word Plateaus mean, can you describe it, this english word is unknown for me.

Cheers

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[morriss]

From what I have read, shufflemaster doesn't actually shuffle the cards. It sorts them based on software instructions sent to machine microprocessor.  It would not need the conveyor belt or small set of fingers-  it would just need instructions for the machine to recognize card rank to screw the player.

[alrelax]

A player can wager on any side he wants at any time. 

The problem arises and only arises, when the player picks the wrong side and is usually influenced by something and the player then blames whatever it is that influenced him and hence---the casino changed or set it up, etc. 

Funny as hell when the player is right how he so intelligently deduced it down to whatever science he calculated the wager according to.........................LOL.

[Wewin2222]

Morriss...you are 100% correct sir and that is why you can lead the casino into your way of thinking. I have proved this many times.

Wewin2222

[alrelax]

I have done this and I already know the answers.

If you are not too lazy, buy 8 decks of cards, usually under $10.00 if you go to a dollar store, maybe $12 or $13.00 or so.  Anyway, wash them on the floor and perform a few shuffles. 

Set them up the way you want.  Get a definitive order going.  Cut the deck randomly anywhere greater than one deck from the front or the rear.   Then go ahead and pull one card and burn the appropriate number

See how well your order holds up. 

[brokerny]

my take on all this cheating is there is always a possibility, but i don't consider it to be cheating anyway. it's a grey area. if the dealer pulls cards in a different fashion, its against the rules, but at the same time, its random either way. you don't know which card it is anyway. it might change up the streak on hand but than again it might start another streak down the road. if you play this game on your own decisions and not let others influence your way of play, your random pick will try to match the random cards that will be dealt. everything out of there is all random play.

[AsymBacGuy]

Hi wewin!

I respect your opinion and I don't know where you play or have played.

Besides the many obnoxious times when the dealer take the winning bet instead of paying it or short paying the side bets, I really can't think of being ever cheated one time.

The vast majority of the baccarat money won by casinos is at high stakes tables, what's the point to "cheat" using card shufflers or by other tricks at tables where the cumulative amount wagered will be very often 1/10 or less than a single or couple high stakes bets?

We bac players should remember that everything is possible at any time, and the same it's for casinos. I mean we can expect the worst. And I did experience this despite my very long tests telling otherwise.

Is it possible to lose 24 bets in a row? Yes, it is. Very unlikely but it could happen. And it happened to a guy seated next to me that couldn't believe that doubles hadn't jump to at least a triple for 24 long spots. He shouted that he was cheated, not noticing the rest of the table won a lot of money just betting that two's won't make threes.

Anyway we never know, so it's about three years I've chosen to play only at Vegas high stakes tables where cards are shuffled manually and where in one instance a wealthy guy not even knowing the rules and betting anytime the maximum limit won $1.5 million.
Ironically he sworn to not playing baccarat anymore.
If he was genuine, it was a really bad beat for that casino.

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[soxfan]

The only cats who talk about casino cheatings are losing play and the system sellers, hey hey.

[super6]

Yea, system sellers like Ellis who always propagate that casinos cheat. that's a reason for him to come up with multiple "systems" so he could make as much money as possible from suckers.