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Okay—here are the common questions from those that get a taste of baccarat and other casino games, not just the first time player---but even from those that have played a while and then they stumble onto a website such as this one. 

"What is the price for a winning baccarat system"?
"Do you guarantee the system, meaning—if I do not win will you refund my price"?
"If I cannot win, can I get a refund"?
"Are you selling a winning system, why are you selling it"?

And, on and on and on—every conceivable and variable of those type of questions.

Here is the answer to them all.  You will not like it.  But this is the honest, truthful, and down to earth, never steer you wrong, gut wrenching answer.  "There are no guaranteed winning systems to win at casino games the majority of the times or all the times".  Period.  No discussion.  Anything you will say, you are reaching for part fantasy and part fallacy coupled with your path/road to seeking and believing there is an easy way out.  There are none, zero, once and again-PERIOD.

The second thing is, seems so many want definitive answers to questions regarding bet-selection at baccarat that leads to winning, no--in fact, make that guaranteed winning.  I love it!  Simply frigging amazing!  You know when I compare this board and its questions to other technical boards, say in the chemical response business—like acid/caustic spill releases, heavy recovery and other fields---all the questions and answers are generally giving and taken with years and years of experience and no one is pressuring each other for definitive and guaranteed results.  Even the chemical antidote and neutralizing companies that SELL products.  Everything and everybody almost always says, 'probably'—'depends'—'trial and error'—'supposed'—'case specific', etc., etc., and so on and so forth.  Then they all talk about training, experience and classroom courses, not just in the haz-mat business, also the heavy recovery, and many other fields. My point being—if there is not a definitive and guaranteed schedule or formula for things involving chemicals—why would there be any rocket science proven formulas for those events in games of chance?  But, what is so great to me, when it comes to gambling, everyone wants everything right now, free or low cost, magical and unknown or secretive solutions—formulas and traits that will hands down guaranteed win money!  Sheer self-serving dreaming greed.  There is no such thing.  And there are so many people that have fine-tuned a package of cow poo-poo that they twist and turn and most of you guys believe it!   

Then when someone comes along and explains things, gets into the nitty gritty after years and years of playing live casino games all over the country, the sentiment is something along the likes of, 'you don't know what you are talking about', it is a 50-50 game.  You will win and lose an equal amount of money or 'you believe you can predict a random event that has not happened yet'.  What is so ludicrous about those statements is that they are so far away from the truth and reality---it is actually funny!!!

I truly think, the bottom line with the majority of the members here—is they really do believe within their heart that, there is an unknown or secretive formula to mechanically win.  If you guys would just recognize that there are such easy things to be conscious of and your own realizations and control of things like your plateaus, your money management system that allows you to fuel your current buy-in and lock up win money, side parlay wagers, and complete failure to understand variance, events and occurrences.  Coupled with numerous other things including understanding your psych and when and when not to pay attention to others at the tables---your game would improve and probably become profitable.  In my opinion and the opinion of numerous others—almost everyone that plays is his own worst nightmare when it comes to decisions and their protocols of wagering and their continuance to beat the casino each session, usually because of the players failure to understand the psych he is inflicted with at the table.  Oh lord, everyone thoroughly convinced, based on long term statistics that have nothing to do with short term casino play, how to parlay progressively or negatively a couple or a few wins into profitable guaranteed wins, completely off track and so far from being a successful player, it is sad! 

The systems and the secretive authors of material they are selling to those gullible players are nothing more than business people.  There are not experts, they are not successful gamblers, and they are nothing more than people that recognized a business niche with gullible potential customers ready to hand over money for their so called 'proven systems'.  The same as millions of other salespeople for companies selling products and services to thousands of different industries all day long. 

I have a foreign car.  The past couple of months the fan/AC/heater blower has not always been coming on.  At times yes and at times no.  The past week it has not came on at all for days.  I stopped in at a repair garage.  The head mechanic swears it is a burnt out blower motor because they usually do what mine has done before finally giving out 100%.  Then I stop in at another garage, a guy with many years of experience.  He tells me don't waste money on a blower motor or the other shop, they don't know what they are doing.  He says it has to be the switch or the blower motor resister because the motor will work or not work, it is an electrical problem and the only two things that can cause that, is the switch or the motor resister since the fuses checked out for the AC and the Blower Motor. Then I went to a third shop and he tapped on the blower motor plastic covering underneath the glove box.  Bingo, worked fine.  Took off the covering and there was a loose connection.  Explains why it was sporadically coming on over the past couple of months.  Bought the guy a six pack and slipped him a $20.  3 minuets later the real answer!  All good.   

Were the other mechanics lying?  Did they believe their own diagnostics and quotes of $275.00 to $400?  They both really talked a great story and if I was gullible, I would have left the car, went back, paid the money, got it fixed for $275 or $400 and never knew any better.  I am not saying all gambling authors are 100% lying, they are most certainly twisting the truth, some teaching money management, some teaching parlaying, some teaching patience and will power and calling it secret findings-magical systems, etc.  There are periods of time anything you do will work and there are also times anything you do will not work.  However, when you believe there are mechanical bet placement and protocols that if you employ at certain times for the same event coming forth, you will be guaranteed to prevail. Whether that is wagering on the banker or the player when it is 20 times behind the other or you are told to wager on a certain bet because of a win or a loss—you are in total fallacy land and you will only suffer and lose more of your bank roll and funds.  The game does not work that way on a repetitive basis.  But, what makes my words so debatable are those people that experienced one or two or three or even four times (or more)—winning wagers based on what I just said will not work. 

In closing, there are times at baccarat when you will win 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 5 to 1 or a greater continuance of wins with wagers and sacrificing the '1' bet.  Then all of a sudden, for that same system or bet protocol or progression you were so successful at, it will turn to be a 1 to 2, 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 5 to1 or much greater ratio of losses for every '1' win.  You will be confused and you will not understand why, what just happened--happened.  And the sad part is, it did not have to happen.  It happened because you failed to understand your psych, your plateaus, your wagering, your time at the table, your belief in many other things and the failure to understand what will, what can and what might happen or not happen.  Couple all that previous sentence possibilities with the way you interpret those and how they play false perceptions and  games with your thought process when sitting at the table.  It actually had nothing to do with the order of the bankers or players results produced by the shoe.  What you are doing, is beating yourself at the game of baccarat.  Not the casino beating you, not the shoe beating you, you are simply beating yourself with misnomers, statistics that do not apply to the amount of shoes you are playing and fallacies of others you bought into. 

Have a nice day, I am now going to eat my two gigantic beautiful chocolate and strawberry covered doughnuts (without hot sauce), cup of coffee and a bagel with cream cheese!  Smile!  So, is it a doughnut with icing or is it a strawberry and a chocolate doughnut?  Oh yeah, I am ordering that gold Halliburton case today also! 

[AsymBacGuy]

"What is the price for a winning baccarat system"?
"Do you guarantee the system, meaning—if I do not win will you refund my price"?
"If I cannot win, can I get a refund"?
"Are you selling a winning system, why are you selling it"?

The only sure winning system in the hystory of this game is the side bets card counting approach illustrated by E. Jacobsen in his book. It costs $49.99.

In this case, yes, Jacobsen refund any customer who demonstrates he is wrong. It can't happen btw. He's absolutely right.

Strange enough, Jacobsen wrote a book for advantage play in the meanwhile working for casinos' companies.

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[Babu]

The only sure winning system in the hystory of this game is the side bets card counting approach illustrated by E. Jacobsen in his book. It costs $49.99.

In this case, yes, Jacobsen refund any customer who demonstrates he is wrong. It can't happen btw. He's absolutely right.

Strange enough, Jacobsen wrote a book for advantage play in the meanwhile working for casinos' companies.

as.

How much have you won doing this EJ?  I can't believe no one here tried to capitalize with it.

[Eight Iron]

According to Jacobson, counting the side bets gives the player an edge. Anyone can practice counting, using the game on Wizard of Odds, which is an eight  deck shoe.

You can read all of Jacobson's posts here:  https://www.888casino.com/blog/apheat/all-apheat-posts/

[Babu]

According to Jacobson, counting the side bets gives the player an edge. Anyone can practice counting, using the game on Wizard of Odds, which is an eight  deck shoe.

You can read all of Jacobson's posts here:  https://www.888casino.com/blog/apheat/all-apheat-posts/

How much have you made with the system EJ? Can you do a demo?

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So, there has been a lot of new talk on the board.....a bit of drama with some of the aggressive members that are hell-bent in their 'programmable-mechanical-progression' type of bet-placement methods along with their attitude-aura and degrading personalities they dish out.  But 'hey-hey' or 'ho ho' whatever it is, LOL.  Seriously, I have been here for a few years and I have been around the block a heck of a lot more times than once, or let's just say—'this is not my first rodeo'. 

If you believe that you can have a set progression, either negative or positive—doesn't much matter, and you will consistently prevail in baccarat, you are completely brain cell dead.  Don't take my word for it—go to any casino and just do it, LOL—it's been tried so many times, calculators won't go high enough to register how many 'know it all' gamblers have attempted to do so. 

With that said—and that is gospel, onward.  Reality.  Last night.  I went to the casino with a complete 'clean slate' and open mind.  I would like to lay this out for those that are new to the game and for those that have played it awhile as well.  As far as bet placement methods and progressions to break even if you are losing or positive progressions to count on making money---"If it is there it is—If it is not that is what you need to realize and NOT combat it".  Following the shoe is easier than changing the shoe to what you're thinking it has to be for your bet placement method to succeed.  As 'ASM' said on here, 'Probability of Success' or as I say—"I should prevail', or 'It is due' concept.  Again, stay with me—'if it is there it is—if it is not, you cannot change it'. 

How you apply, how you judge, how you manipulate, how you capitalize on what the shoe is producing is what it is all about.  It is not about a 9 or 15 step negative progression, the variance and the numbers that can and will cause failure will eat you up.  If not today, tomorrow, if not tomorrow or next week, in a month or two.  If you are looking for extreme short terms success, say a few wins here and there of 2 or 4 or 6 units for a few casino visits, possibility anything can prevail more than 50%, not just a multi-step negative progression.  But as 'Jimske' came on and elaborately defined his findings, pretty much spot on.  If it worked the member that is insulting and outright makes things up, has not found anything whatsoever that numerous gamblers have not engaged in repetitively.  Guaranteed if it worked nearly how he so convincingly attempts to define it---players would have been taking multi billions of dollars from so many casino properties over the years. 

Now, onward once again.  I watched last night at the casino, the players with their negative progressions, either sticking to one side or the other, or—those that wait for the 4th or 5th repeat and then wager on the 'cut' and other bet placement methods that 'SHOULD' prevail because of what the statistics have proven.  Just take the 4 or 5 and 'cut' theory.  OMG!  Yes, running tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of shoes and looking at the statistics of what happens when 4 or 5 bankers or players have already repeated.  Absolutely, wager the 'cut' for sure.  But those are the statistics and the long run.  My friend, you are not playing the long run at the casino.   A 5th, a 6th and a 7th or an 8th can and might just come about.  Will it do it every time, no—no way.  However, can it do it 2 or 3 times when you engage for that 'cut'?  If you never saw a shoe with 3 or 4 or 5 repeating streaks of more than 4 or 5, you better think again.  Like I said, if you are playing for a $100 or $200—couple of unit, say $100 wagers, go for it.  Try three time when the shoe gets to produce a 4 or a 5 repeating mini-run.  Chances are you will prevail.  However, you might not—and that is where the 'catch-22' comes in.  Then you say, if I lose those 'cuts', I will just wager a negative Marty progression to recoup.  Wager on the 'cut' after the 4th one.  Lose, okay wager $200 on the 6th one.  Wager $400 on the 7th one and wager $800 on the 8th one.  Now you have $1,500.00 out there on wagering for the 'cut' with a negative progression.  Will you prevail, sure—when, don't know. If you think shoes do not produce 8 and 9 and 10 repeating streaks, think again.  Every shoe, no.  Can there be 3 in a shoe, yes.  Will there be better than a 50% chance of have a streak greater than 7 in a shoe, can't answer that.  Run 100,000 shoes and look.  The problem is, you cannot pick what section of those statistics you are sitting down at.  You might get 3 or 8 or 12 shoes at a casino with a shoe never producing greater than a 4 or a 5 mini-streak.  But then on the other hand, you might get a section of shoes at a casino that does produce numerous streaks within a shoe and consecutive shoes as well. 

Bet selection and being able to capitalize on something is strictly within yourself.  It is believe, does not have anything to do with a mechanical progressive selection of anything, negative or positive, 'cut', streaking, naturals, numbers, chop-chop---nothing.  Sure there are triggers here and there and again, just depends on what the shoe is producing for the section---the majority of the times.  When I say 'section', I am referring to the shoe divided up into 3 or 4 horizontal sections.  If you follow what the shoe did in the first section, say the first 20 hands onto hand 60-80, you are super foolish.  However, here is where the arguments and the drama comes in.  If the shoe is producing certain results, it is easier to wager with the shoe than against the shoe with a pre-selected bet placement method that the shoe would have to conform to in order for you to win each hand.  That is why I say, it is all within yourself and your outlook.  Be stubborn and convinced that the statistics have to carry over to the shoe you are playing or you will only wager certain types of wagers based on statistics and you will not yield.  I witness those types every single time I am at the casino.  And they are buying in and re-buying in and re-buying in.  They totally miss the highest percentage of anything and everything the shoe is producing.  Oh, don't get me wrong, those types of players do win and usually win almost every session.  However, their trend of thought and mind-frame will not allow them to ever cash out.  They lost and they recouped their money they were down, whether it was $500.00 or $5,000.00.  Then they believe they can control the shoe and as well—they 100% believe they can manipulate the shoe because their negative progression will always allow them to recoup whatever they risk.  Sounds solid, sounds perfect, sounds like it can work, but it does not. 

Last night there was a gentlemen there with a $500.00 buy in.  All green chips.  Plays a few hands.  Wins and losses, pretty well average.  All of a sudden there was 3 in a row.  So he pumps up his chest, very clearly and sits up on the edge of his chair.  Pushes in just about the $500 he had, give or take a couple of chips.  Everyone was on the 3 bankers for the 4th one.  And yes, he wagered the players.  Just about everyone pulls down and either supports him or stays out.  And yes, it was another natural for the Banker for the 4th one.  So he throws in another $500.00 and buys back in.  He wagers on the Players once again.  And yes he lost, once again.  And he throws in another $500.00 and yes, he wagered once again on the Players.  He won that one.  So now he is down the $500.00 and has about $1,000.00 of chips in front of himself.  He throws it up on the Banker with the talk, 'has to cut back to the banker'.  Whatever, second guessing, no rhyme or reason.  50-50 for anything.  Everyone is following him at this point.  Makes the second player so now he is down like $1,500.00.  Buys in again with another $500.00 and wagers it on the banker and yes he wins.  Stacks it up and yes he wins again on the Banker.  Now he has about $2k in front of him and I think he was even.  Waits a bit and then throws it up, table max at $2k.  Losses.  Once again, he does his process and clearly waits for the 3rd or 4th mini streak.  He gets about $4k in front of himself, which I think he would have had about a $1k profit, if he left.  But of course he does not.  He continues to go through the same process.  He losses it all.  He gets wiped and I would say he had about $4k to $6k loss from his pocket.  Point being—he had at least 2 chances to walk with some decent winnings.

I live in reality here and what I write about.  Problem being, people here are attempting to find definitive methods to actually beat the game.  Too stubborn and too closed minded.  You fail to realize how your thought process manipulates your wagers and your addiction to statistics, progressions and numbers or sides that are 'due' or 'have to come up', etc.   Picking a side and continually wagering on it, or if not that bet selection method, say---just guessing and switching up sides but adhering to a negative progression to recoup and profit one or a couple of units, will only eat you up after several times.  You will be successful for a period of time.  Could be one shoe or 4 shoes or might be 10 shoes.  But those others ones will eat up all those profits.  The variance will eat up all of your winnings and then part or all of your buy in/bankroll each time.  There are sections of the shoes with greater than 50% favorability to the player.  Problem being, the players (You) sit down and believe you won because of your control of a bet-placement method that did prevail.  Then you continue that style of wagering and when the variance comes around in the casino's favor---you loss and loss big time.  Your mind frame is too closed minded and your psych does not allow you to see, that there are different sides and different avenues to jump on and wager without having a pre-convinced bet placement method.

Textbooks in many different fields and subjects will cite how to do something, but those things might not always work out the way that the textbook was referring to or meant for the task to be successfully accomplished.  They were addressing a specific situation in a specific setting.  However, in baccarat, no one can simply stick to something that will allow them to prevail with consistency greater than 50% of the time, every time.  Those that think and believe they can are walking in and following one way, say 'South', while wagering basically one way only, 'South'.  The real smart players are those that can sit there, wager and go with the variance from the North, West, South and East, can profit no matter what happens because they wager with the shoe rather than against it. 

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