Baccarat Matrix

Atlantis · July 20, 2015, 11:17:17 AM

Hello All,

Adapted from a similar roulette system:

Betting the side of the EC that predominates the most in the last 3 vertical results of a matrix grid column ONCE ONLY **but only after a "WL" result appears**

Playing on BACCARAT ONLY

Using the 3-bet cyclic unit progressions:
1-1-2
1-2-2
2-2-2
2-2-3
2-3-3
3-3-3......etc.

If all 3 bets in a cycle are lost move up to next bet cycle.

If a win occurs in a cycle then restart from the beginning of that cycle progression line --- UNLESS level or ahead OVERALL in which case restart from default cycle 1 (1-1-2)

Record (P)layer and (B)anker results in horizontal lines of 3 results in a matrix grid...

PBP
PBB
PPB Start Cycle = 1-1-2
PPP WLL -1 L1 Reminder: bet only once after a WL formation
BPP LWL
BPB LWL -2 L1
BBP WLW +0 W2; +1 W1
PPB LWL +2 W1
BBP WLL +1 L1
BPP WLW +2 W1
PPB LWL +3 W1
PBP LLW +2 L1
BPB LWL +3 W1
PBB WLW +4 W1 ; +5 W1
PPP WLL +4 L1
PPP WWL
PBB WLL +4 W1
BBB LLL
PBP WWL
BPB LLW +3 L1
PPB LLW +2 L1
BPP LWL +4 W2
PBP LLL +3 L1
BPB LWL
PBB LLL +2 L1
PPB WLW +4 W2
BPP LWL +5 W1
PPP WWL +6 W1
PBP WLW +7 W1 ; +8 W1
PPP WWW
BBB LLL +7 L1
PBB WWL
PPP WLL +8 W1 ; +7 L1
PBB WWW
PBB WWW
PBP WWL
PBB WWW +8 W1
BBP LWL +9 W1
PPB WLW +10 W1; +11 W1
BBP LWL +12 W1
PPP LWW +11 L1
BPP LWW +12 W1
PPP LWW +13 W1
PPB WWL
PBB WLL +14 W1; +13 L1
BPB LWW
BBP LLL +12 L1
PPB LLW
BBP WLL +10 L2 (up to 1-2-2 series for next bet)
BPB WLL +9 L1
BPP WWL
PPP LWW +7 L2
BPP WWW
PPP LWW +9 W2
PPB WWL
PBP WLW +10 W1 ; +11 W1
BBP LLW +10 L1
PPP WLW +12 W2
PPP WLW +13 W1
BPP LWW +14 W1 (down to 1-1-2 series)
BBP LLW +13 L1
PPB LWL +14 W1
PBP LLW +13 L1
BBP LWW +14 W1
BPP LLW +13 L1
BBP WWW
BPB WLL +12 L1
PPB LWL
BPP WWL +14 W2
PPP LWL +13 L1
PPP WWW +14 W1
PPB WWL
PBB WLL +15 W1; +14 L1
PBP WLL +13 L1
PBB WWW
BBB LWW +15 W2
PBP WWL
PBP W *STOP* +16 W1

+16 profit (less %commissions for B wins)
232 results
Highest bet=2

Atlantis.

tdx · July 21, 2015, 01:16:30 AM

interesting method.......as far as baccarat goes, do you have any profit or loss objective for a shoe ...or do you quit the shoe when it just feels right ?

Atlantis · July 21, 2015, 08:15:26 AM

Hi tdx,

I play for abt 3 to 5u profit and stop.
Also if I go to -7 or -8 I may stop too - depending on how I feel things are going.
I track the last 9 results into the grid before starting recording the W/L's for the trigger. I stop and retrack the new 9 results on a new shoe or reshuffle before any continuation.
I'm in UK and play live dealer online (small stakes)

A.

WorldBaccaratKing · July 21, 2015, 11:32:38 AM

BPP LWL
BPB LWL -2 L1

how is that a loss?

Atlantis · July 21, 2015, 12:04:31 PM

Hi WorldBaccaratKing,

PBP
PBB
PPB Start Cycle = 1-1-2
PPP WLL -1 L1 Reminder: bet only once after a WL formation
BPP LWL WL trigger
BPB LWL -2 L1 New WL trigger... (next bet =2u)
BBP WLW +0 W2; +1 W1

Start off at first by recording W and L outcomes VIRTUALLY. In other words if a dominant of the last 3 vertical results in that column wins mark a W; however if the dominant of the last 3 vertical results in that column loses then record it as an L.
When you get a virtual WL - it is time to bet on the dominant of the last three outcomes of the very next column!

Bet ONCE only after EACH virtual WL signal - this can also mean a bet on the first column of the next line as in the example you quoted where I have marked it in bold ; the actual placed bet results are marked in red

L1
L1
W2 restart cycle
W1

= +1 on the above results.

Remember the bet, when indicated after a "WL", is on the dominant result of the LAST 3 VERTICAL RESULTS only of the next COLUMN waiting to be recorded/updated.

eg:
B
B
B
bet for B

P
B
P
bet for P

B
P
P
B
bet for P

P
P
B
B
P
bet for B

Use last 3 results in appropriate column to determine the bet. Bet ONCE ONLY after a trigger.

Hope this explains

A.
PS. Winning for me today. 4 sessions = +19.70u profit.

WorldBaccaratKing · July 21, 2015, 04:23:24 PM

Quote from: Atlantis on July 21, 2015, 12:04:31 PM
Hi WorldBaccaratKing,

PBP
PBB
PPB Start Cycle = 1-1-2
PPP WLL -1 L1 Reminder: bet only once after a WL formation
BPP LWL WL trigger
BPB LWL -2 L1 New WL trigger... (next bet =2u)
BBP WLW +0 W2; +1 W1

Start off at first by recording W and L outcomes VIRTUALLY. In other words if a dominant of the last 3 vertical results in that column wins mark a W; however if the dominant of the last 3 vertical results in that column loses then record it as an L.
When you get a virtual WL - it is time to bet on the dominant of the last three outcomes of the very next column!

Bet ONCE only after EACH virtual WL signal - this can also mean a bet on the first column of the next line as in the example you quoted where I have marked it in bold ; the actual placed bet results are marked in red

L1
L1
W2 restart cycle
W1

= +1 on the above results.

Remember the bet, when indicated after a "WL", is on the dominant result of the LAST 3 VERTICAL RESULTS only of the next COLUMN waiting to be recorded/updated.

eg:
B
B
B
bet for B

P
B
P
bet for P

B
P
P
B
bet for P

P
P
B
B
P
bet for B

Use last 3 results in appropriate column to determine the bet. Bet ONCE ONLY after a trigger.

Hope this explains

A.
PS. Winning for me today. 4 sessions = +19.70u profit.

ty

tdx · July 21, 2015, 09:00:09 PM

Atlantis....thanx for the method. How would you play this recent shoe I played at a live brick and mortar casino ?

P
B
B
B
P
B
P
B
B
P
P
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
P
B
P
B
B
P
B
B
P
B
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
P
P
B
B
B
B
B
P
B
P
P
P
P
B

Thanx for the help.

tdx · July 22, 2015, 12:18:46 AM

Might be an error on your first post in this thread at top of this page.

On the eighth line down you have PPB LWL and on the ninth line down you have BBP WLL.

So I think the mistake is on the 9th Line since you would have won the first bet and lost the 3rd bet on the 9th line for a zero profit or loss on that line but you show a 1 unit loss.

I think you forgot the first winning bet on the 9th line.

jsintl · July 22, 2015, 02:09:19 AM

Quote from: Atlantis on July 21, 2015, 08:15:26 AM
Hi tdx,

I play for abt 3 to 5u profit and stop.
Also if I go to -7 or -8 I may stop too - depending on how I feel things are going.
I track the last 9 results into the grid before starting recording the W/L's for the trigger. I stop and retrack the new 9 results on a new shoe or reshuffle before any continuation.
I'm in UK and play live dealer online (small stakes)

A.

How long you have been playing this method and are you up overall?

Atlantis · July 22, 2015, 06:33:39 AM

Quote from: tdx on July 22, 2015, 12:18:46 AM
Might be an error on your first post in this thread at top of this page.

On the eighth line down you have PPB LWL and on the ninth line down you have BBP WLL.

So I think the mistake is on the 9th Line since you would have won the first bet and lost the 3rd bet on the 9th line for a zero profit or loss on that line but you show a 1 unit loss.

I think you forgot the first winning bet on the 9th line.

Hi tdx - nicely spotted; you're right. I seem to make a mistake.

Here I show how I would have played your results:

Start cycle = 1-1-2. *=current highest profit

PBB
BPB
PBB 9 result start grid +0*
PPB w-l-w w1 +1*
BPP l-w-l w1 +2*
BBB l-l-w L1 +1
PPP l-w-l w1 +2*
PBB l-l-l L1 +1
BBP l-w-l
PPP w-l-w w1;w1 +3*
PBP w-w-w
BBP l-w-w w1 +4* - - stop here??
BBP l-w-w w1 +5*
BPP w-l-w w1 +6*
BPP w-l-w w1 +7*
BPP w-w-w
PBB l-l-l L1 +6
BBB w-l-l L1 +5
PBP l-w-l
PPP w-l-l w2;L1 +6
B l----- STOP

Regards,
A.

Atlantis · July 22, 2015, 06:51:58 AM

Quote from: jsintl on July 22, 2015, 02:09:19 AM
How long you have been playing this method and are you up overall?

Hi jsntl,

To be clear, this is something I rediscovered in the last few days - an old system of mine I'd forgotten about, filed away in an old roulette folder...
I figured it could be better suited to game of baccarat so decided to share on this forum.
As such I'm afraid I don't have any large history of results/stats etc. I can give to you at this point.
I'm not making any grandiose claims for it either nor do I say it will always work for everyone all of the time. Time and future tests will show. It *seems* to do a fairly decent job against random compared to some others I tried. You're not betting all the time. Is a mild progression and I play for low stakes online.

A.

tdx · July 22, 2015, 12:18:25 PM

I did a test on my garbage shoe ( not a real shoe ,,,doesn't have any standard patterns, chops, PBPBPB long runs PPPPPPP 1,2's PBBPBB 3's PPPBBBPPPBBB doubles PPBBPPBB 1,3's PBBBPBBBPBBB 4;s PPPPBBBBPPPPBBBB etc ) and it was up 4 units before ending at even zero units

I wouldn't use the progression you have because if you lose 9 in a row you are down 15 units. Which is OK if you are playing small stakes online. But if you are playing $ 100 a hand in a real casino, you are down $ 1500

I would use

111111111
222222222

If you use 9 unit,s then bet 2 units until you recoup the 9 units and don't bet more than 2 units

I would quit the shoe at a 4 unit win or 6 unit loss.

georgebac · July 22, 2015, 01:47:01 PM

Quote from: Atlantis on July 22, 2015, 06:33:39 AM
Hi tdx - nicely spotted; you're right. I seem to make a mistake.

Here I show how I would have played your results:

Start cycle = 1-1-2. *=current highest profit

PBB
BPB
PBB 9 result start grid +0*
PPB w-l-w w1 +1*
BPP l-w-l w1 +2*
BBB l-l-w L1 +1
PPP l-w-l w1 +2*
PBB l-l-l L1 +1
BBP l-w-l
PPP w-l-w w1;w1 +3*
PBP w-w-w
BBP l-w-w w1 +4* - - stop here??
BBP l-w-w w1 +5*
BPP w-l-w w1 +6*
BPP w-l-w w1 +7*
BPP w-w-w
PBB l-l-l L1 +6
BBB w-l-l L1 +5
PBP l-w-l
PPP w-l-l w2;L1 +6
B l----- STOP

Regards,
A.

where do u get the wins and loses from. do u write player and banker before the shoe starts. im not understanding how u getting the wins and loses. thank you

Atlantis · July 22, 2015, 02:40:11 PM

Quote from: georgebac on July 22, 2015, 01:47:01 PM
where do u get the wins and loses from. do u write player and banker before the shoe starts. im not understanding how u getting the wins and loses. thank you

Hi georgebac,

I will try and explain again - but it's quite simple really.

Record (P)layer and (B)anker results in horizontal lines of 3 results in a matrix grid...

PPP
BBP
PBP

So the first three results as they happened from the start of the shoe was P P P, then the next three outcomes were B B P which are written below the first set of results. Finally to complete the start tracking grid of 9 results it happened to be: P B P.

From now on it is simply a matter to continue to record the outcomes as they occur underneath those first 3 lines (or "trios")

Also, after the initial nine tracking results, you also start to compile the W/L registry for each of the results that happen thereafter.

To decide whether to put W or L
==========================
If the dominant result of the LAST 3 VERTICAL results in a column wins mark a W; however if the dominant of the LAST 3 VERTICAL results in that column loses then record it as an L.
When you have recorded W-L - it is time to bet on the dominant of the last three outcomes of the very next column!

For example:

PPP
BBP
PBP start grid of 9 consecutive results
PP W-L-

In column 1 "P" is winning 2 out of 3 and a P result occurred underneath so that is marked as W.

In column 2 Banker is the dominant with 2 out of 3 - and the next latest result was a (P)layer result so that one is recorded as an L because the dominant did not win.

You only bet ONCE after EACH W-L trigger.

So in the above case you would make a bet on the dominant of column 3 which is P because that side leads with 3/3 hits.

If Player wins next hand you have:
PPP
BBP
PBP start grid of 9 consecutive results
PPP W-L-W WON +1

Alternatively, if Banker were to win the hand you have:
PPP
BBP
PBP start grid of 9 consecutive results
PPB W-L-L LOST -1

Win or Lose you then wait for the next bet signal - which is when you next see any W followed by a L.
(T)ies are ignored and the stake is rebet on the next round.

A.

WorldBaccaratKing · July 22, 2015, 03:27:30 PM

Quote from: tdx on July 22, 2015, 12:18:25 PM
I did a test on my garbage shoe ( not a real shoe ,,,doesn't have any standard patterns, chops, PBPBPB long runs PPPPPPP 1,2's PBBPBB 3's PPPBBBPPPBBB doubles PPBBPPBB 1,3's PBBBPBBBPBBB 4;s PPPPBBBBPPPPBBBB etc ) and it was up 4 units before ending at even zero units

I wouldn't use the progression you have because if you lose 9 in a row you are down 15 units. Which is OK if you are playing small stakes online. But if you are playing $ 100 a hand in a real casino, you are down $ 1500

I would use

111111111
222222222

If you use 9 unit,s then bet 2 units until you recoup the 9 units and don't bet more than 2 units

I would quit the shoe at a 4 unit win or 6 unit loss.

TDX,

A garbage shoe and you still won! what's wrong with that?