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[wannawin]

The laboratory supplies ran out again:

"Account Suspended"

http://baccaratlabs.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

If anyone knows when they will put back a little bit of money in the maintenance of their web space for the laboratory, please say so. There is a thread that I want to re-read. Thank you.

[gr8player]

Not surprising.

There was very little recent traffic there.

Still, it seems a shame that there's no Baccarat Forum that can sustain itself for any real period of time.  They're up, then they're gone.

Why is that?  Anybody have any real answers? 

Me, I think that there's just not much that can be disseminated that, frankly, hasn't already been.  Most of it, unfortunately, is garbage anyway.

Finally, I think that those that are finding some real success to their Bac games are, frankly, hesitant to discuss too much of it in any public forum.  And not just for "discovery" purposes; I think it's just as much a matter of having to explain yourself over and over again to the junior members and/or lurkers and/or "mathites".  Who can be bothered with it all?

And so these forums struggle to maintain a level of real interest.

[Albalaha]

The most obvious answer to this dilemma is, the forums are being run by non professional players. Yes, most of the admins of these forums are themselves at very nascent stage at gambling or do not play at all. In such cases, if they are not earning anything out of the forum, they even do not want to spend $100 a year on it.
                                      Another obvious reason is, lack of enthusiasm to share something "out of box" or something that can help a player, in any manner, apart from misleading them to play upon fallacies or simply copy-paste from somewhere else or even leg pulling of those who share.
      Last but not the least reason is, more than 90% members and guests are merely lurkers and daydreamers. They have never put their feet inside any casino, ever. They do not play with money,so they are not really bothered. They move around forums only to spend time or in hope of getting a HG someday, for free.
                         I am glad that Victor, our admin here, have carried the forum with the co-operation from all of us despite not earning a penny from this place and hopefully the forum will continue forever like this.

[JoeyKnish]

Not surprising.

There was very little recent traffic there.

Still, it seems a shame that there's no Baccarat Forum that can sustain itself for any real period of time.  They're up, then they're gone.

Why is that?  Anybody have any real answers? 

Me, I think that there's just not much that can be disseminated that, frankly, hasn't already been.  Most of it, unfortunately, is garbage anyway.

Finally, I think that those that are finding some real success to their Bac games are, frankly, hesitant to discuss too much of it in any public forum.  And not just for "discovery" purposes; I think it's just as much a matter of having to explain yourself over and over again to the junior members and/or lurkers and/or "mathites".  Who can be bothered with it all?

And so these forums struggle to maintain a level of real interest.

It is quite simple and this is from my own experiences since I began to actively participate in 2009/2010. Most folks don't have the skill set(s) and/or the passion for this game. They are just interested in the money and the easy way out with the something for nothing mindset.Then you have the real insidious types where they attempt to obtain/steal your work, calling it their own and sell it. I used to give out my method(s) freely and openly in PM or email. In the beginning when I didn't know any better I would even meet you in person at Foxwoods and show you everything without asking for anything in return. All an absolute big mistake and a total waste of time. It is great you are doing well with my method(s) and even better if you discover something new and even surpassed what I showed you. Also I wouldn't mind even you attacked my ideas since I can understand it is not one size fits all. What I absolutely despise is you take my ideas not even playing them but calling them your own and trying to sell them. Then there is one individual who shall remain nameless who is an absolute snake with his constant stalking, trolling and character assassinations in trying to forcefully crowbar you for your ideas. Gr8 knows him quite well! LOL. This is why the knowledgeable players are hesitant to share anything. Baccaratlabs was a decent place at first but there were a few situations that lead to its demise. First was the upgrade screw up where everything was erased. The owners were not dedicated enough and one of them just left. I know why he did but that is another matter which I would not dig into or want to discuss. BL in many cases is the same rehash with mostly the same characters of GG and BF.

Honestly I hope malcop doesn't resurrect BL and move on.

[alrelax]

I tried to join awhile back and the only answer I received was, 'we have to verify your email and IP address' or something along those lines???  I wasn't good enough to join was the bottom line.  I don't sell systems and I am a 30 year established player with 12 or more executive casino hosts that can vouch for me.  By the way, I have a full bladder at times and if something is on fire....oh well.

[alrelax]

It is quite simple and this is from my own experiences since I began to actively participate in 2009/2010. Most folks don't have the skill set(s) and/or the passion for this game. They are just interested in the money and the easy way out with the something for nothing mindset.Then you have the real insidious types where they attempt to obtain/steal your work, calling it their own and sell it. I used to give out my method(s) freely and openly in PM or email. In the beginning when I didn't know any better I would even meet you in person at Foxwoods and show you everything without asking for anything in return. All an absolute big mistake and a total waste of time. It is great you are doing well with my method(s) and even better if you discover something new and even surpassed what I showed you. Also I wouldn't mind even you attacked my ideas since I can understand it is not one size fits all. What I absolutely despise is you take my ideas not even playing them but calling them your own and trying to sell them. Then there is one individual who shall remain nameless who is an absolute snake with his constant stalking, trolling and character assassinations in trying to forcefully crowbar you for your ideas. Gr8 knows him quite well! LOL. This is why the knowledgeable players are hesitant to share anything. Baccaratlabs was a decent place at first but there were a few situations that lead to its demise. First was the upgrade screw up where everything was erased. The owners were not dedicated enough and one of them just left. I know why he did but that is another matter which I would not dig into or want to discuss. BL in many cases is the same rehash with mostly the same characters of GG and BF.

Honestly I hope malcop doesn't resurrect BL and move on.

Your statement(s) kinds of remind me of the work I am in.  Which is environmental spill clean up of hazardous materials and hazardous releases.  The federal regulatory bodies of our country write the laws, rules and regulations--namely EPA and OSHA.  The state regulatory authorities I work with on a daily basis--namely D.O.T. and 4 state's environmental agencies DO NOT go by 'the book' as only want to 'get the job done' in a professional and 'common sense' manner.  If there are justified reasons for cutting corners or altering from something the feds say to do or how it should be done, the state is fine with 'my way' and the end result is all that matters.  So my analogy here is a "SYSTEM" that is laid out by someone not on site in the trenches may or may not apply in reality.  Period.  Thanks have a great day.

[wannawin]

Actually it is not a catastrophe if baccaratlabs forum closes down for good. It is just another website over the internet and if managers want to be free and back to normal life then by all means. Just like everything else in life surely there will have to be new or existing websites to replace them. What breaks my beads is that threads that people write are loss. As a writer in forums that is my contempt over all this elapse where the forums that exist go appearing and disappearing. I still would like to have the VIP lounge online even just for reference. Well, such is life.

It is the same if baccaratlabs returns back or not. Administrators also get tired and have the right to go about their lives and personal projects happily again. There is nothing to criticize to them for it. Greetings.

[malcop]

I guys it's very simple I forgot it was time to bay the monthly bill, unfortunately I can't set up a standing order or subscription payment, then it would just be paid automatically after-all it is not a huge amount to pay each month so I'm happy to do it.

Thanks

malcop

[Rashid]

A lot of misinformation in this thread.  There was and still a VG Baccarat forum on the web, which is better than anything that appears on any public forum.  everything is laid out and explained, the mod is helpful and will go to great lengths to explain how he plays.   You won't find this information on the usual open public web-sites as they attract dishonest members,

He is not just some moderator who runs a web forum, rather somebody who plays Baccarat for a living, so he knows what he is doing and is doing it himself.  He is on an overseas tour of casinos at the mo, yup playing Baccarat and is keeping his members updated. 

[gr8player]

In the beginning when I didn't know any better I would even meet you in person at Foxwoods and show you everything without asking for anything in return. All an absolute big mistake and a total waste of time.

Be happy, JoeyKnish, that it just turned out a "waste of time"; could've ended worse.  Much worse.  That's why I'd never meet anyone in any casino.  I don't seek out ways to screw myself up.

Then there is one individual who shall remain nameless who is an absolute snake with his constant stalking, trolling and character assassinations in trying to forcefully crowbar you for your ideas. Gr8 knows him quite well! LOL. This is why the knowledgeable players are hesitant to share anything.

This is the internet.  You never know exactly who or what you're dealing with until, eventually, the "true colors" are displayed.  You learn, at an early stage (hopefully), to decipher each member's/poster's true intentions, and then react (or even ignore) accordingly.

[gr8player]

A lot of misinformation in this thread.  There was and still a VG Baccarat forum on the web, which is better than anything that appears on any public forum.  everything is laid out and explained, the mod is helpful and will go to great lengths to explain how he plays.   You won't find this information on the usual open public web-sites as they attract dishonest members,

He is not just some moderator who runs a web forum, rather somebody who plays Baccarat for a living, so he knows what he is doing and is doing it himself.  He is on an overseas tour of casinos at the mo, yup playing Baccarat and is keeping his members updated.

IF you are referring to the site with the initials B.T.C., then I'm afraid the only "misinformation in this thread" is yours.

What is being promulgated at that site is, IMHO, outright rubbish.  All they've succeeded to do is to hoodwink their followers into believing that you can anticipate a shoe's results simply by counting up certain differences in certain EC chances.  Hogwash.  Won't work; all you'll succeed in doing is to frustrate the living heck out of yourself with your constant shifting.

And, the worst of it all is:  the owners know that.  But, how else can they ever make it appear as if they can "beat" every contingency; so they introduce "mode" after "mode" until they have a "mode" for, well frankly, "anything and everything" that the shoe can produce.  All the while, the reality of it is this: that works well ONLY in hindsight.

Oh, and for all of that baloney, THEY CHARGE A FEE!  To which I can only emphasize:

Caveat Emptor (Let The Buyer Beware)

[Rashid]

IF you are referring to the site with the initials B.T.C., then I'm afraid the only "misinformation in this thread" is yours.

Say what??

I wasn't referring to B.T.C,

What is being promulgated at that site is, IMHO, outright rubbish.  All they've succeeded to do is to hoodwink their followers into believing that you can anticipate a shoe's results simply by counting up certain differences in certain EC chances.  Hogwash.  Won't work; all you'll succeed in doing is to frustrate the living heck out of yourself with your constant shifting.

Yes I agree

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Oh, and for all of that baloney, THEY CHARGE A FEE! [/quote] No worries, there are no fees.

[alrelax]

Similar to the paradox of telling people not to trust anyone,  as in "I always lie."

Paradoxes can be fun when not taken seriously.

Well, the answer is simpler than that.

It's human nature to go around in circles and pretend to be on the right track while waiting for the other guy to put in the actual work, and figure it out.  A lot of times, people don't want the other guy to figure something out.

By then the other guy has realized to keep it to himself.  This includes those times when the other guy isn't entirely correct.

Great analogy and so very true in my profession as well, it gambling and other trades IMHO it is the 'new breed' of people since the 2000 year turn.  But, maybe I am wrong???

[BaccaratLabs]

Amazing to see baccaratlabs server issues are dug up over and over again

Actually, I'll enlighten all of you...

The answer about why baccaratlabs has so many problems is very simple.

I left Baccaratlabs sometime in the summer. Malcop is the sole admin of the site, which is hosted on some backwards service provider that makes it impossible to enroll in automatic monthly payments. That's all thanks to me, I rushed to set the site up and I did not intend to leave it behind when I started.

Why do accounts need to be approved? Because the site is hit with dozens of spammers everyday. There are spam blockers built into the site. The last thing that you want is some spammer joining your forum and posting a thread with child porn.

When I first started BL, my intention was to create a tight community of people who would be interested in discussing strategy behind the game, new theories, systems, etc..

I soon began to realize that there is only so much that you can say about baccarat before the conversation gets boring and repetitive. In the end a system with modes like OTB4L, TB4L, "subjective plays", and whatever magic you want to throw into the mix is just another way to bet player banker, and probably and just as likely to lose as any other method.

Winning consistently for me (when I do play) is very simple. And the discussion about winning results in a conversation that will last about 10-20 minutes max..then it's over. There is no need to theorize about randomness, hash out advanced mathematics on tiny score sheets, backtest for hours upon hours, or create a brand new method of betting.  Furthermore, the conversation about winning in baccarat is not even worth creating a forum about, or even a blog post for that matter. It's simple. It has been posted online over and over again, yet for some strange reason the majority of people think that its is more logical to invest time into researching how to win.

I left baccaratlabs because reality hit me. Maybe I would have stayed and invested some more time into improving the site and the community but....

Then the trolling & fighting between members started. 

If someone were to pay me for every post that I had to delete, or for the hours of my life that I spent moderating threads, then maybe it would have been worth it. But obviously that would never happen. I considered charging members of insider access to the forum, but for what? To discuss different variations of the same playing methods for the next 10 years? No thanks.

Ask yourself this simple question...why don't you see a lot of free and open baccarat forums on the internet? Because, like I said above, the conversation gets old and boring. Or from a webmaster side of things, there is really no money to be made in operating baccarat forum. It's so easy to start a forum, a 5 year old kid could do it..There is open source software online, there are sites like ning.com, or you could throw some php and a few databases together if you know a little code..But is it worth it? That's for you to decide. I made my own decision and I don't have any trouble sleeping at night over it [smiley]aes/beer.png[/smiley]

Some of the members here obviously get why I left and why BL has problems. But it seems like many members do not understand. The part that bothers me most is the inflated sense of entitlement that people have when they post a thread about a FREE forum not working. I can't count the number times that I have read things like:

"I should be approved..it's not happening fast enough. Approve me!" -- Seriously?

"There are technical issues with forum. The moderators suck"

"The pages are loading too slow for me" -- Probably your own internet

"Oooh the moderator forgot to pay their monthly bill. What's wrong with these idiots?" -- It happens.

"Please add features x,y,& z within the next 60 minutes" --- Because we don't have lives?

"I can't find this button. Please get on a call and show me because I'm stupid" -- Yea...

The list goes on and on.

If someone really wants a sustainable baccarat forum then go for it.

[esoito]

Well said.

BL forum is back up and an explanation offered for when it was down.

This thread has run its course and served its purpose.