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Bad Beat Baccarat

Here are the Payoffs and some thoughts of mine after playing this version for some time.

The Banker/Player and Tie wagers are the regular ones and not changed as the original version.
The Panda 8 and the Fortune 7 are the original ones and have not changed.
There is NO COMMISSION on banker.
The Dragon Bonus is not applicable in this version.

New wagers added in a nutshell:

Ties:  7/7 Tie 40:1
          6/6 Tie 40:1
          6/6 or a 7/7  Tie 20:1

3 Card 9/8's  200:1
Naturals 9/8's  50:1
Any 8/7's  25:1

Everything else is the same as the regular and known versions.

Bad Beat:

If you wager within the Bad Beat box, this is the pay off.  Yes, Bad Beat covers all of the below and you will receive the pay off as I described:

3 Card 9 over a 3 Card 8.  (Same as the 200:1 box) if you cover this and the other box, you of course receive both pay outs, which I normally do if things are going well with other wagers)  40:1

Natural 9/Natural 8    10:1
Any 8 over any 7          6:1
Any 7 over any 6          4:1
Any Bad Beat                1:1    (Bad Beat means a 4 and a 5, or a 0 and a 1, or 9 over an 8, etc.)

I like the ties, namely the 7/7 and the 6/6 for the 40:1 with at least $25 out there, especially around hand 10-15 if there are no previous ties, again around hands 25-38 if there are none or say 1 or 2 ties out there previously.  Also I like those 40:1s chances after hand 45 with low ties existing previously as well.

Panda 8s and F-7s, same as the game without, this game changes nothing in that respect.

3 Card 9/8s.  I am a fan of this wager.  I think it is extremely in players favor, especially with only $10.00 covering it, will be a $2,000.00 return.  If I am doing well with regular wagers, banker-player, I will allocated $600-$800 to cover every hand, with this bet.  $800.00 a whole shoe!  A $2,000.00 pay-out.  To me that is great.  I do not care what the mathematical statistics are.  I have sat there and got 2 to 4 winning 3 Card 9/8s in one shoe or a shoe and a half.  Yes, might not get it all shoe.  But rarely IMO does one shoe go by without at least 1, 3-Card 9/8.  To me, I love it and it has been extremely profitable for myself. 

When I am doing extra well and hit a F-7 and several larger Bankers and Players straight up, I will go heavy on the following.  F-7s along with, 3 Card 9/8s and Bad Beat and the 7/7 & 6/6 ties. 

But my decision is made by the way I think, which I did define in other posts about numerology results (meaning--what is being repetitively presented by the shoe I am sitting in front of--which is why mathematical statistics have no meaning to me at the table) such as one side being constantly reduced while the other side is having additions with the 3rd cards every hand or every other hand, etc.  Also, where both sides are strong and it is bouncing back and forth, also known as, Chop-Chop. 

I have been hitting them greater than 30-40% of the times, which easily makes up for the times I am missing these.  But the payouts are large.  Do not get what I said confused with 10 wagers of say $50.00 on Banker and winning less than 50% of he wagering.  You need to look at 40 or 80 hands and then taking a section of your w money and devoting it to a section of that 40 or 80 (1/2 or whole shoe) section and going for the side wagers.  Like I said, the pay out are larger, so do not have the mentality of say, "I wagered 10 times and did not win more than 50%,  I lost", etc. 

As well, with an F-7 you can still win the Bad Beat.  Also, with a 3 Card 9/8 you can still win the Bad Beat. 

[AsymBacGuy]

Nice presentation, thanks Al!

I would add the house edge percentages on such bets.

Three-Card Nine Beats Three-Card Eight
House edge 16.65%.

Any bad beat
HE 6.88%

Natural Nine Beats Natural Eight,
HE 8.46%

Eight Beats Seven
HE 18.35%

Btw I've recently seen the fortune-7 coming back to back to back. Three times in a row!
I even remember the cards:

1- player got  5, banker zero, ace to the player and 7 to the banker
2- player got  4, banker  6. 7 to the player and an ace to the banker (amazing!)
3- player got zero, banker a 4. 3 to the player and another magical 3 to the banker.

Ironically only me and another player raised the bets, the rest keep betting the same and two i.diots even removed their $5 after the first win.
Nobody including me bet the "any bad beat", again ironically this is the best bet to make among baccarat side bets (besides the dragon bonus on P). :-)

At the time I didn't know the house edge values but I thought to be very high on the 7/8 bad beat. And I was right.

as.

 

[alrelax]

Nice presentation, thanks Al!


Btw I've recently seen the fortune-7 coming back to back to back. Three times in a row!
I even remember the cards:

1- player got  5, banker zero, ace to the player and 7 to the banker
2- player got  4, banker  6. 7 to the player and an ace to the banker (amazing!)
3- player got zero, banker a 4. 3 to the player and another magical 3 to the banker.

Ironically only me and another player raised the bets, the rest keep betting the same and two i.diots even removed their $5 after the first win.
Nobody including me bet the "any bad beat", again ironically this is the best bet to make among baccarat side bets (besides the dragon bonus on P). :-)

At the time I didn't know the house edge values but I thought to be very high on the 7/8 bad beat. And I was right.

as.

Absolutely! 

I remember this one a few months ago, did you ever see this one I posted.  It was a fantastic win!

Yes, they do come back to back and I would never ever again pull down, NEVER!

Happened the other week 2 X's while I was playing in fact.  Also the 'skip' F-7 such as the 'skip-tie' style.


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If I recall, full table and everyone was on Banker, whcih made the Natural 8 and then 2 natural ties came, 8-8 and a 9-9 and everyone went heavy on the player with the recited reasoning out loud, Player wants to surpass-catch up and equal out tot he Banker.  I went heavy on Banker and stayed on it.  A few had F-7's and they pulled off.  Then it came, BACK-2-BACK!  Right there in the pic is the proof.  Then a 3rd one in the same Banker streak of 10 where the table got wiped out.  LOL.  The mentality of the gambler at baccarat, the other side will always catch up.  Sorry pal!  It will not 'ALWAYS'. 

Then two of the players stand up and touch the score board.  "Look, the Banker cut 5 out of the last 6 naturals and look how far ahead the Banker is, the Player has to catch up now".  OMG!  Seriously??   

BTW, last year I remember getting an Ace on a Banker 6 when the player drew a 6 or a 7 for its 3rd card.  Yes, the feeling was, WOW--what a hit, one not seen much.  I think I only seen that 2 times in several years, maybe 3 at the most.

[AsymBacGuy]

Al, give us some stories about people you've seen betting huge on ties.
Btw, I like ties. :-)

as. 

[alrelax]

Al, give us some stories about people you've seen betting huge on ties.
Btw, I like ties. :-)

as.

Asym,

I don't do well on ties.  Oh yeah--once in awhile when you stumble upon those shoes where you can win like a constant 7 or 8 out of 10 wagers and everything is going, 'crazy right'.  But generally, ties are not my best thing.  I have seen plenty over the years and just don't really recall anything 'great' or 'huge' on ties.

When I am the larger gaming areas like Vegas and A.C., etc.  sure there are the occasional larger players wagering on ties with numerous black or purple chips, but really all they do is wash them, wager 7 or 10 times and hit one, maybe two if they are lucky, even three.  But they wager so ma times on them--IMO it is a 'wash' at best. 

However, there are two local players at two of the places I go all the time.  One of them really has some kind of eye for the tie wager.  He hits it constantly with either $100 or $125 on it, like 3 or 4 times out of just about every 8 times he plays it.  And he does pull down after he gets a good hit on them.  But he plays more times per week than I do, so i don't know his overall 'hold' on his winnings. 

There is another player that plays at the place I generally go to most of the time.  He is always on the tie with $200 or so and hits it a good amount of times.  Again, he plays so long and at best-he only 'washes' his wins. 

I can only remember a couple times in Vegas (at Caeser's HL room) hitting the tie with purple on it when I occasionally throw it out there. My most memorable was the Asian New Year a couple years ago when I did the $135k or so in just over a shoe and my wife grab the $90k, ran up and cashed it and we jumped in a cab and she picked out the brand new Escalade SUV and we got CTR'd at the car dealer for the cash transaction.  That shoe I hit a tie with a purple on it, I don't remember what it was, nothing spectacular in the way of card draws. 

have been hitting a few on the 6/6 and the 7/7 with a quarter chip in it on the Bad Beat Bac table for $1k,but nothing special.  Just a few here and there.  Probably spend a good $400-$600 to hit them.  I seldom get the tie right with a couple or a few tries.  What normally happens, when I stop wagering it, the next hand or two--it always hits.  I don't know why, but if you just watch me play and when I stop wagering on it, you start--you are almost guaranteed to hit it with a 1 to 3 hands! 

[AsymBacGuy]

Lol, Al.

That's why I always quit the table without knowing whether my side bet would have won.

Actually, in the story I mentioned above, I left my second fortune-7 bet while running to the restrooms.
When I came back, the dealer picked up the magic ace from the deck!

Another story, this time a sad one, happened to me at Lucky Dragon casino in Vegas.

I was losing around $1200 or so, my $25 bet on fortune-7 was there when my cell phone rang.
Dealer instructed me to remove all bets while answering the phone and I obliged.
It was a stupid fkn automated advertising call and in the meanwhile banker got a 5 to make a fortune-7...

A call which costed me $1000.
While exiting the casino, I cursed to the fkn lettuce leaf supposed to bring luck to the players. And you know very well what the lettuce mean for asian people. In reality I'm not asian. :-)   

as.