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[alrelax]

I personally feel that those having a 'set anything' in gambling, especially playing baccarat is adding to the negativities and the volatility of the game against you.  What I am referring to is wagering and your money management, which are two of the most important things in gambling at baccarat.

After decades and decades of gambling at baccarat, I wholeheartedly believe and subscribe to a few different attacks on the game.  I normally do get into the mind-set of using all three when I sit down, at times I forgo one of them, but usually stay on track simultaneously alternating or combining them.  Here they are.

1)   My buy-in.  I do not like to re-buy in at all.  I feel that is a negative and a false cushion.  Many I observe with a low buy-in to their fund that they will risk and if lost, they re-buy in once again.  If they bring say $1,800.00 players might buy in up to 6 times with $300.00 each time.  I feel, that they have a false-cushion with safety and planning that way.  They are always saying, 'if I lose this in front of me—I will just buy in once again', etc.  I rather see all my risk money in front of me before I win and divide it up, add to it and place some in reserve; 

2)   1-3-2-6 Positive Progression.  My positive progression used the majority of the time.  I do not subscribe to negative progression unless it is a series of 2, possible 3 times and then only—if the pattern, trends and previous shoe outcomes warrant it, IMO; 

3)   1 + 4 Side Parlay Wager.  I try to always have a side wager going for myself, when I am on a 'run' I can profit huge with my '1 unit' and then parlay that 1 unit, four times.  The one unit would normally come from a previous win amount.  As a rule, say I won $800.00, I might put $500 in my stack and then with the 3-$100 amounts, attempt a couple of 1 + 4 Parlay wagers.  I can't view it except anything but my 'lucky attempts' and my 'lucky money' if I succeed with doing that;

4)   1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd Money Management System.  When I double or triple my buy-in, I employ a money management system.  I divide up whatever amount I am winning, into thirds and put 1/3rd with my current buy-in, 1/3rd with a reserved amount in my pocket if I lose and desire to stay for whatever reasons and the other 1/3rd into a 'locked up' status that will not be deviated from.  I constantly divide up the win money every so often into those categories if I won. 

To me, it is all second nature.  And, after thinking back each time, I have noticed countless times, that one or the other saved me from the complete depletion of my buy-in. 

Getting ahead and quitting is very hard for myself without certain parameters that I mentioned above.  It allows me to see clearly at the table, focus on what I won, put away, have available, etc.  Instead of having a pile of chips and trying to be conscious of what I will gamble, hold, cash out or keep for later play, etc.  It works well for me the way I outlined.  It has nothing to do with wagering or strategy, it is simply a quick and easy method for all my misc., other than bet placement/bet selection method.  It does allow me to win more if I can and hold a certain amount without giving it back, etc.

Here is my reasoning.  'A Goal'.  If it comes you are stopping--the true joy, the true ecstasy of the greatest game and easiest way to earn money, etc., etc.   If it doesn't come, you are going to fight, demand and feel hurt—abused—and cheated.  "Why am I here—why did I come here tonight, boy this life sucks", etc., etc., and so on.  But with both of those, you will always have, 'small losses and small wins'—that is, if you stick to your stop loss and stick to your 'small win-immediate leave' protocol. Some how, at some time and inevitable--you will be busted out, ground down.  The question is not if---the question is--when.

So if you feel comfortable wagering a set amount of money and timing yourself with the wins as well as the losses, so be it.  You are, IMO, hampering any chances you truly have in this game.  I have seen hundreds turned into tens of thousands and thousands turning into hundreds of thousands.  It is all up to you, how you play, think and attack the casino.  But, what happens more times than others, is that you will feel shorted and used when you lose forcing yourself to allow repetitive buy-ins.  When you win you might be overcome with another personality and aura that will deplete all of your win and buy-in funds without offering you any chance to continue winning or maintain a certain amount you previously committed to stashing away. 

[21 Aces]

Thank you for posting this update.

I'm putting these for searches:

REF Baccarat Money Management
REF Buy-In, 1-3-2-6 & 1+4 Wagering, Money Management System
REF Positive Progression
REF Baccarat Positive Progression

[21 Aces]

2)   1-3-2-6 Positive Progression.  My positive progression used the majority of the time.  I do not subscribe to negative progression unless it is a series of 2, possible 3 times and then only—if the pattern, trends and previous shoe outcomes warrant it, IMO; 

Any comments on the following:

1-1.5-2-2.5 Positive Progression + 1-3-2-6 Progression on Strong Formations.

or

1-1.5-2-2.5 Positive Progression + 1-2-4-8 Progression on Strong Formations.

In each of these positive progressions, a 4th win in a row would reset to 1 unit for the next bet.  This is intended to be a sweeping aspect of the progression to take risk off the table.

Strong Formations include Jumping Shoes, 2's, Dragon Tails, etc. when it becomes readily indentifiable where the modest positive progression just happens when consecutive wins are achieved with no readily identifiable Strong Formation apparent.  Something like this would clearly involve a jump or switch to the Strong Formation positive progression when you see one confirmed by the play results.

Thanks!

[alrelax]

Any comments on the following:

1-1.5-2-2.5 Positive Progression + 1-3-2-6 Progression on Strong Formations.

or

1-1.5-2-2.5 Positive Progression + 1-2-4-8 Progression on Strong Formations.

In each of these positive progressions, a 4th win in a row would reset to 1 unit for the next bet.  This is intended to be a sweeping aspect of the progression to take risk off the table.

Strong Formations include Jumping Shoes, 2's, Dragon Tails, etc. when it becomes readily indentifiable where the modest positive progression just happens when consecutive wins are achieved with no readily identifiable Strong Formation apparent.  Something like this would clearly involve a jump or switch to the Strong Formation positive progression when you see one confirmed by the play results.

Thanks!

Without going back and forth as we have done in the past, everything works slightly different for each of us.  However, with the 1-3-2-6 or any combination of it, 2-6-4-12, etc., it has huge advantages over the 1-2-4-8 by far.  First of all, it is extremely hard/difficult to win 4 in a row.  But if you do, great.  If you don't and you probably will not, it sucks--you lost it all.  But with 1-3-2-6 I find it is extremely easy for myself to win 2 or 3.  If I win the 2nd one, the one is my free bet!  It is covered by the casino and best of all, i put my 2 units back in my buy-in chip stack and I have.  So say I wagered $200 on the first one.  I won.  Now I have $400 and I am adding another $200 to it.  $400 out of my own chips and the $200 I won on the first wager.  If I win this 2nd wager I will have $1,200 in front of me.  $400 back in my chip stack and I am even.  $400 on the wager for the 3rd attempt of $400.  And the best part is the $400 profit already!  Took it and Booked it!  No matter what, i am good if I lose the 3rd one.  It is like I am back at the beginning with a profit!  If the3rd one wins, all good.  If it losses, so what??? 

And the very best advantage of it is this.  Say I did lose the 3rd wager.  I have another $400 from the casino to try once again.  One or two more attempts actually, depending on what happens.  In your 1-2-4-8 and those types, you lose, you lose.  All those 1's you are giving up will haunt you and cost you big time.

To me, you are risking it all constantly, I only risk to the second one.  You risk your 'first' money and then you risk the win money all the time.   But, I am also getting 'free fuel' if I win the second one and for me---it works out with huge advantage by doing it that way.

[21 Aces]

Thanks.  I think that overall I haven't been pushing on the positive progression as much as in the past and it does make a big difference.

[backudos]

i use 1-3-2

3 wins in a row are enough 4 me

[greeneclipse]

i use 1-3-2

3 wins in a row are enough 4 me

I don't like to double down too much because even money payouts will not cover things if I lose too much.

[alrelax]

I don't like to double down too much because even money payouts will not cover things if I lose too much.

So how is life in the UK???, I see that is where you are at........................... ......

[backudos]

we need to attack casino with their own money not our money

[alrelax]

we need to attack casino with their own money not our money

And that is exactly what my system does, 100%:  "4)   1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd Money Management System.  When I double or triple my buy-in, I employ a money management system.  I divide up whatever amount I am winning, into thirds and put 1/3rd with my current buy-in, 1/3rd with a reserved amount in my pocket if I lose and desire to stay for whatever reasons and the other 1/3rd into a 'locked up' status that will not be deviated from.  I constantly divide up the win money every so often into those categories if I won."

[greeneclipse]

So how is life in the UK???, I see that is where you are at........................... ......

I'm not from the UK so I don't know how life is there.

[greeneclipse]

we need to attack casino with their own money not our money

Yes I agree we should use casino money and make more and more that's why I just ordered the golden secret. I want to make millions

[alrelax]

Yes I agree we should use casino money and make more and more that's why I just ordered the golden secret. I want to make millions

This is Stephen, I will go ahead and say it.  A dirty spade is a dirty spade, plain and simple.  The writing style, the attack, the 'know where all the posts are', it is Stephen waiting for the day his garbage (IMO) book came out, and maybe i just do have a damn copy!  If you keep pushing the way you have, I will do exactly what I did the last time around bro---I called your bluff with Vic.  I will do it again and buddy boy--you have a lot more lose than I do.  I will again, obtain your book, take pictures and write reviews on all major gambling sites, I promise that, I swear that over a couple of little kids life's close to me--it is okay when the result of what I am swearing is true.

I will also state, there is no way that the sudden 'rash' of  all the brand new (BY PROXY IP) members are not Stephen, no possible psychical way. This board is screwed, Vic---do something.  Delete all the new accounts the past couple of days, they are all Stephen's accounts, plain and simple.

[greeneclipse]

This is Stephen, I will go ahead and say it.  A dirty spade is a dirty spade, plain and simple.  The writing style, the attack, the 'know where all the posts are', it is Stephen waiting for the day his garbage (IMO) book came out, and maybe i just do have a damn copy!  If you keep pushing the way you have, I will do exactly what I did the last time around bro---I called your bluff with Vic.  I will do it again and buddy boy--you have a lot more lose than I do.  I will again, obtain your book, take pictures and write reviews on all major gambling sites, I promise that, I swear that over a couple of little kids life's close to me--it is okay when the result of what I am swearing is true.

I will also state, there is no way that the sudden 'rash' of  all the brand new (BY PROXY IP) members are not Stephen, no possible psychical way. This board is screwed, Vic---do something.  Delete all the new accounts the past couple of days, they are all Stephen's accounts, plain and simple.

Hey man, I read on another forum that you done a deal with Stephen Tabone, that you are his proxy provocateur and this was all set up to get him banned so that you could get commission from increased book sales.

I read you and he planned it through email and it was all your idea. Now I get it...you write bad about him so people will buy his books. How much have you made so far?

Does this forum know what you have been up to?

Bit of extra money on the side hey...nudge, nudge wink wink, say no more man, all cool here. Great marketing tactic you came up with there Alrelax and to think we all on this forum believed you. But now we know.

[Garfield]

@greeneclipse : sorry to reply you in here. The topic was locked. I don't know the condition of Alvin nowadays. Don't have the interest anymore.