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[bacpro]

You have to understand that Casino works in beautiful and nasty ways.

First they give you money. Double, triple, or maybe more and more...

And in any given day, they will take back the money plus interest which is your bankroll and maybe your saving money as an extra.

Everywhere I go, i hear same story.

So how to prevent this? You have to use unmechanical system, don't be greedy, emotion control, n many factors.

If you can eliminate all the negative obstacles, you will become a winner and you have the right to call yourself a pro.

Source : Facebook Group ( Baccarat College )

[21 Aces]

Where and how is the casino giving players money because I must have walked right by the desk all of this time.  My understanding is that high stakes players may receive comp chips.   Who else and how?

[Gambler]

Bacpro - So what is your unmechanical system? Why don't you share your so called winning strategy here instead of promoting your group?

[Mars Rocks]

Where and how is the casino giving players money because I must have walked right by the desk all of this time.  My understanding is that high stakes players may receive comp chips.   Who else and how?

Strange as it may seem to some, some of us can in fact pull wins out of our arses and double and triple our bankrolls by gambling.  However, it unfortunately comes at a price.  The days come when you lose it and more and it's not fun.  This is in fact a very good topic.  I hope we get some answers.

[21 Aces]

If you put money at risk making a bet and win that is not the casino giving you money.  That's like saying financial market brokers are loan sharks because they provide access to the markets.

It is not easy to explain a discretionary system because it is discretionary and inference based.  I use a bunch of things during play that I didn't when I started and my performance is much higher.

[AsymBacGuy]

There's no way a NOT mechanical system can get the best of it itlr, even after having reversely assessed that mechanical systems invented so far hadn't accomplished to get a player's edge. 

Nobody can state to be a long term winner by utilizing a not mechanical system, because such thing doesn't exist by 1 trillion accuracy.

Unfortunately actual feelings, instincts, trend following procedures or whatever cannot give the player any edge whether not mathematically or long term statistically expected more often than not and capable to invert the house edge.

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[21 Aces]

There's no way a NOT mechanical system can get the best of it itlr

And you know this because?

[AsymBacGuy]

And you know this because?

A- 100% of bac experts and mathematicians agree with me (or better sayed I agree with them).

B- mathematics cannot be disregarded by feelings or istintcts, 2+2=4 no matter how smart or geniuses we could be.

C- 99% of bac players are unmechanical bettors and 100% of players belonging to this category are long term losers.
I say that as I live in Vegas for long time and I know almost every regular bac player here, not mentioning the baccarat profits worldwide.
That doesn't mean, of course,  that the remaining 1% part formed by mechanical bettors are long term winners.   

D- nobody has ever demonstrated that a non mechanical method can have the best of it, otherwise the game wouldn't exist.

E- stating that a not mechanical system might get an edge must be demonstrated by either mathematical (impossible task) or statistical long term findings.

F- by definiton non mechanical systems don't consider variance and standard deviation issues besides many other considerations; alas variance and SD features will be precisely defined, yet NM players want to overcome such issues by mystical forces.

I could go further utilizing every other alphabet option and even more...

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[21 Aces]

Keep believing and let me know when you actually start tracking and auditing every single player out there  because you don't.   Are they supposed to report to you?  You magically believe that basic casino math rules over the individual and that the next hands are somehow magically more difficult than the ones any player with any amount of time seriously playing has seen?  Ok got it.

All in for all the hours so far I have probably spoken with others for less than 10 minutes total and most likely way less than that.   I just go for a very limited amount of time and see many, many, many players over and over and over and over again which means when I am not there, they are most likely there for more time than me.

In addition, we are speaking about a cash game which, according to the tax code, must be accounted for here in the US.  Do the math on that.

Here's a bigger casino for you.... the financial markets.  A substantial amount of money is made all of the time yet nobody has ever broken the market or bought the entire market so therefore nobody must be making money?  And if your casino math wizards had any skill whatsoever they would be prop trading or managing hedge funds with their knowledge.

[AsymBacGuy]

Keep believing and let me know when you actually start tracking and auditing every single player out there  because you don't.   Are they supposed to report to you?  You magically believe that basic casino math rules over the individual and that the next hands are somehow magically more difficult than the ones any player with any amount of time seriously playing has seen?  Ok got it.

Here's a bigger casino for you.... the financial markets.  A substantial amount of money is made all of the time yet nobody has ever broken the market or bought the entire market so therefore nobody must be making money?  And if your casino math wizards had any skill whatsoever they would be prop trading or managing hedge funds with their knowledge.

I know what you mean but you can't compare the financial markets to the taxed gambling world, unless you presume an unrandom production of the gambling results or some very advanced and sophisticated (and never effectively demonstrated) theories working.


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[Jimske]

And you know this because?

  We got a newbie insisting on the holy grail because he sees the same players every time he goes. 

The simple thing, Aces, is to just go and mimic there play.  You could just make half their bets or 10% of their bets if they're risk level is too high for you.  Should be easy enough to mimic.  Sounds like a veritable cash cow!  Even better because you don't have to learn anything - just learn how to divide by two!

If you really are ambitious write down your bet amounts and the decisions after each hands.  Shouldn't take you too long to figure out their "formula of success!"  You might even post some of these shoes to the group.  I'm pretty sure thee are guys here who could help you figure the method out they're using.

[21 Aces]

So unintelligent, but I'll respond.  You're assuming that I don't play well, but I do.  Furthermore it's on minimal sleep after actively managing a business for 12-14 hours that day with a window of 2-2.5 hours of play time.  I already posted that there are times where I piggy back or hop along.  Very easy to be last bet on the table.

Why do you think there is a dynamic adaptive system that can win, but outside of that no approach will win?  Very unintelligent.

Let me know when all you bro's have documented proof of how well other players are doing because you have nothing other than ghosting what The Wizard of Odds and some other people say about game math.  You do know many of these experts are paid consultants and employees in the gaming industry don't you?  And I really have zero idea on how you gain all this info from other players because most don't talk each other to any degree other than a bit of bull here or there.

[marinetech]

So unintelligent, but I'll respond.  You're assuming that I don't play well, but I do.  Furthermore it's on minimal sleep after actively managing a business for 12-14 hours that day with a window of 2-2.5 hours of play time.  I already posted that there are times where I piggy back or hop along.  Very easy to be last bet on the table.

Why do you think there is a dynamic adaptive system that can win, but outside of that no approach will win?  Very unintelligent.

Let me know when all you bro's have documented proof of how well other players are doing because you have nothing other than ghosting what The Wizard of Odds and some other people say about game math.  You do know many of these experts are paid consultants and employees in the gaming industry don't you?  And I really have zero idea on how you gain all this info from other players because most don't talk each other to any degree other than a bit of bull here or there.

no offense but i THINK your are NUTS. the math is the math. people win because they are lucky. how long are they lucky for? who knows. i don't know and neither do you. luck can last 1 day, 1000 days, or 1 million days. we do not know when luck or variance will kick in and change.

if my neighbor walks into a casino 1 time and wins 100 bucks on baccarat and never ever ever steps foot in a casino again for the remainder of his life, are you saying he has the holy grail and since you're a business man, he should MARKET the hell out of it to MAXIMIZE the bottom line, right??

or do you think he was lucky? you make zero sense. you post pics and videos of the most stupid stuff i have ever seen. you are infatuated with BIG PLAYERS and BIG MONEY! lol, your business must not be cutting it for you heh? If it did, most people wouldn't be so worried about beating an impossible game and getting awarded a nobel award for doing so. does your ego really need that much stroking? when you look in the mirror do you say your beautiful over and over to yourself?

you keep saying you see the same people everyday? so? i do to. and guess what some have lose MILLIONS in doing so. I could write a book. Doctors, lawyers, businessmen, stock traders, etc. I personally could probably show you at my local casino on any given weekend 10-20 people who would tell you they have lost millions and are still chasing the dream. some have lost and i haven't seen them in years. the well eventually runs dry no matter how much money you have gamblers, compulsive sick gamblers will not stop until they reach financial ruin....you can be optimistic and i give ya credit for that but you really don't have a clue. stick with your business whatever it is (dog walking or poop scooper) and get the idea of beating baccarat on a consistent basis out of your head for a living.



sorry if i offended you but i will say this one more time. delusional, nuts, crazy, or all the above. you pick the one you think ok? im off to bed now to think about the tokus up in looneyville while you keep on thinking you can win at this game. nighty nighty

[21 Aces]

Hello all,

Got comped this weekend at Mohegan Sun in CT. Was surprised since Luke Bryan is playing and rooms are $600 and $800 each night before taxes, but I ain't complaining!

Guess my play pays off once in a while! Be playing some bacc and bj love to meet some regs who may be out there.......

marinetech, the smart guy who just created a thread about he he got comped all weekend, but doesn't like money.  They must of comped you because you lost BIG.  I feel sorry that you and a bunch of you on here think this game is so hard.  Must be the house cranking up the heat on the ShuffleMaster on you or maybe you're just blind.  I try to show you countless things that are way more difficult than baccarat that people do every day, but many of you are so Fing unintelligent you can't see the connection.

I'll repeat it one last time, and most likely I'm off here.  I do not give a fcuk what you think. You guys just lose, lose, lose so you think everyone loses!  YAY!

[marinetech]

marinetech, the smart guy who just created a thread about he he got comped all weekend, but doesn't like money.  They must of comped you because you lost BIG.  I feel sorry that you and a bunch of you on here think this game is so hard.  Must be the house cranking up the heat on the ShuffleMaster on you or maybe you're just blind.

who said i didn't like money? I don't think about money 24/7 and I certainly don't live my life for money! lol, i think you are 21 or younger. otherwise, i feel bad for you. you still have no idea yet about life do you? as far as me getting comped its because of my play. it has 0 to do with if i won/lost. my buyin, my hours i play, my avg. bet size, and the frequency of how often i play/week has more to do than if I win or lost.

one last thing i will clue you in on because you have no idea. I haven't been to mohegan in probably 5-6 YEARS! a host there checks with my local host on what i mentioned above and voila, my play got me it for free. now, don't be stupid. would you rather pay for something like a room or get one for free? you can't own a business, impossible........