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[alrelax]

Conflict has a lot to do with playing baccarat in my opinion.  Because, conflict will change your frame-of-mind and how you wager with or without your conscious thought.  And that is not good for you.  Be aware of conflict and how and why it comes about.

Conflict is the result of events, usually events that went the opposite way you wanted them to go or if you were remaining neutral but had a feeling it was going to be a result, and that result came about and others at the table began to prosper nicely, conflict can also come.  Be aware. 

Conflict:  Events, Comments, Situations.  The various things that lead to those three and usually opposite of what you desired or spot-on, but you were not wagering at all or cut way down in the amount of wager.

Perceived Conflict/Felt Conflict:  The perceived conflict is the logical and factual events which are based around the conflict itself.  In other words, whatever lead up to the exact point of the event.  The felt conflict is your feelings, your hostility, your hurt and other feelings when you see those winnings given to your table-mates whether you like them or not. 

Factual Reaction:  Aggression, Competition, Debate, Withdrawal, Tilt.  They all happen and if you do not think so, you better take your time, look at yourself and realize they do.  Fix the problems and play better without a doubt.  We are dealing with lost money or money not rightfully earned here and it gets emotional, admit it or not.  Once you do, you can fix it for the most part.  I have narrowed it down to 5 parts at the baccarat table. 

Aggression 
Competition
Debate
Withdrawal
Tilt

Agreement or Defeat:  We tend to enter into agreement with others that we do or even do not normally agree with at the table, depending on how they are doing at various times.  Follow your own thoughts, rules, beliefs, protocols, etc., sometimes win everything you touch, and other times lose.  Follow others that are winning or going against them when they are losing, works as well sometimes and other times it blows up in your face.  And that is exactly why following or going against someone else is disaster waiting to happen.  Because, IMO you will blame them and not yourself.  You will blame them for their mistakes and that event will launch you even further into frustration and confusion.  So be careful and realize when camaraderie and team-work is beneficial.  If you must ask, you will not use it the correct way anyway.  Using it as a crutch or a catch-all, is not the proper way. 

Putting it all Together:  Realize what is happening, why you are making the decisions you are.  Are those decision from the cards, the shoe, the events themselves?  Or, are they from the results you have deduced down from the other people there playing at the table?  Huge difference and huge consequences will come about.  I promise you that.  Learn how and why you do things at the table, you will help yourself to better, clearer decisions and being better focused and dealing with the events as they should be. 

[alrelax]

Here, let me give you an actual event that happened over and with conflict last week.  I will call her "Amy" and the other female "Lin" that was with her.  Amy is a business shop owner, usually brings $8,000.00 to $10,000.00 cash with her, plays once or twice a week.  Wins and losses, husband hangs back and plays little amounts around the casino floor, bounces around.  Amy sits at the bac table and sometimes at blackjack, gets hard core and goes at it for hours.  Has lots of self-control but falls prey to the casino a bit over 50% of the times, probably more like 70% of the times.  Amy plays extremely conservative most times and seldom goes on tilt, when she does-you better stop wagering because it is going to get ugly.  She has some old school morals and ethics about the game, such as if you are on a roll and heating up, she will not wager against you or add to any bad luck coming---so you cannot usually blame her for your downfalls, etc.  Like I said, old school style.   I have known her for a solid 4 plus years from the casino.  Her friend Lin is a show-off of sorts.  Flaunts the cash, brings about $5,000.00 all the time and likes to wager against people or make it known what she feels and has strong convictions.  Does not rub it in if you are wrong or she is right, but she talks out loud and does not think any other person understands her or has her figured out.  She will wager against other players just to show them how smart she is, etc.  (Remember, this is the local places here in the Midwest, not large casinos and either $1,000.00/$2,000.00 or $5,000.00 table max limits, not Vegas or A.C. or Connecticut with $10,000.00 to $50,000.00 table max and up limits).   

I said: "Conflict has a lot to do with playing baccarat in my opinion.  Because, conflict will change your frame-of-mind and how you wager with or without your conscious thought.  And that is not good for you.  Be aware of conflict and how and why it comes about."

I also wrote: "Conflict is the result of events, usually events that went the opposite way you wanted them to go or if you were remaining neutral but had a feeling it was going to be a result, and that result came about and others at the table began to prosper nicely, conflict can also come."

The below listed five things were so prevalent and widespread among Amy and Lin, and their 2 on-lookers it was super obvious.  This is how I learn, this is my material for writing, it is real, honest and the result of being there at the casino I am able to incorporate into my writing. 

Aggression: (Sets in and you can not shake it off easily, you may not even know you have possession of it);

Competition: (Physically playing against another player for whatever reason);

Debate: (Verbal or non-verbal, but entering debate with reasoning with another, player or dealer);

Withdrawal: (Removing yourself from the action or yourself from the agenda of the game, a bad move either way);

Tilt: (That proverbial doing what it takes to recoup your funds and usually every time you go on tilt, you will lose your entire buy in or bank roll, whichever one you play with or have access to).

So that shoe I posted with the 7 Players out of the gate followed by a Banker, then a Player then a Banker and then 12 straight Players with zero ties.  So, it was a factual 20 Players to 2 Bankers.  I said factual, the event, the shoe, the presentment.  There for your opportunity, not there to analyze and take into statistical knowledge to compare for something later to straighten it out or balance it out, etc.  The event, the presentment happening, right then and there.  I took pictures of it and I will tell you what Amy and Lin did when all that was happening.  It is food for thought and factual events that I write about.  So, the shoe starts out.  Just about everyone is on the Banker.  People where I play, most of them like choppy in the beginning unless something happens that really signifies a strong side for whatever reason.  So, the first two hands are Player over Banker with hands that should have or let us say, the majority of the times would have fell onto Banker with their first 2 cards drawn.  Player runs their side up to 8 or 9 with the third cards each of the first two hands over 7's and 8's for the Banker hands.  The third hand is where Lin throws out a nice sized wager of at least $1,500.00 on the Banker and Amy follows with a smaller wager, but Lin starts in chastising Amy with no trust, why wager anything, why not go along with the others at the table---type of talk to Amy out loud, both in English as well as their native tongues of SE Asian.  Amy does not get into conflict as a war tool whereas Lin does many times.

THIS IS THE SHOE I AM REFERRING TO:

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So, you see the card/score board, there is like 7 straight Players and the five Players hurt Amy and Lin bad with their buy ins they had in front of themselves.  A few of us won, mostly people lost or did not wager.  Then Amy goes big on the Banker on the 7th Player hand that won and she remains big, like $2,000.00 plus on the Banker, but now she is down about $8,000.00 at least and Lin was down about $10,000.00 as well.  They both buy in again with another $5k to $10k each.  They win that single Banker and they stay on the Banker.  Amy is clearly following Lin for whatever reason and she is normally not like that, she clearly got sucked in.  Even when Amy's husband comes along and Amy is winning, her husband might throw in one green chip or two and then Amy pulls down.  She knows what conflict does when it comes and sets in.  You can not stop it, unlike what most think. 

Amy pushes in $4,000.00 on the Banker after the win on the single Banker and she losses, same with Lin, but Lin is around $1,000.00 for her wager.  Lots of others want to wager on the Player and they are not because of Amy and Lin.  They stay large on the Banker and it hits after the single Player.  They are like verbally broadcasting now how Banker will come back and how Player is done, etc., etc.  Then the 12 streak Player run comes out.  And if it was not a Natural 9 for the Player over a Natural 8 for the Banker or a give me hand for the Banker like a 2 card 6 over the Players side 2 card 0-1-or 2, pulling a 3rd card of 6 or 7 many times it was something like Player 5 and Banker 4 and Player pulling a 6 and Banker pulling a 6 also.  But anyway, Amy and Lin's losses are well up every bit of $30,000.00 combined and they are pissed off, super pissed off.  Absolutely visible.  They not only lost a large sum of money themselves (for this region and being local players) they stopped many others with their conflict from really paying attention and really being able to grasp the opportunity that presented itself. 

You can say that you do not pay any attention to anyone else at the tables and you play your own game.  You might say that here and believe it, but in almost every situation, others do play parts in how you do or do not wager or your decision-making process.  Same as being in a restaurant and you are sitting there with a date or a business associate and you are on an agenda to get something accomplished.  The next table over is a family of 7 with 5 young kids that are all over the place, yelling, screaming, throwing things, running around and everything else.  You can say you tune them out, but it is not exactly true by any means.  Not factual.  Sounds good in the conversation and for sake of arguing, but not true.  Sorry, I have been around the block a few times."

I found myself in the midst of the exact same thing last night.  It was late, I ran out to the supermarket to get a few things I needed for today and tonight, I stopped at the gas station/C-store around the corner from my house.  I was dead empty on gas.  I could have made it into my place in the morning but not much more than that.  I stopped, no one was there.  I was not in the mood to wait so I did it last night at like 11pm rather than at 6am in the morning when it would have been crazy. I pumped first, had $15,25 change on me, so I pumped that exactly.  Went inside, grabbed a Apple prepaid card my little boy asked me for so he can load stuff he wants on his phone.  I grabbed one for $25.00 off the display.  There was like 3 employees in the place.  2 of them stocking shelves or working in the pizza/sandwich counter and one at the register.   There is one customer in front of me, lottery tickets, cigarettes, candy bars, ordering a pizza, paying for gas he wants to pre pay then for he did not pump yet, then he wants to write a check.  Then he wants to back stuff out and pay separate for.  The cashier has like no experience.  She is calling over someone else to come help her.  A good solid 5 minute wait at the register with the original cashier there and both other store employees there trying to straighten out the mess the cashier created.  I was not ready for this at 11 or 11:30pm at night after being up since 5am, coupled with--exactly what I was trying to avoid in the morning.   

I would have just laid the $15.25 on the counter and walked out, but I needed that Apple prepaid card for my little boy, I promised it to him and he fell asleep last night waiting for it, I told him i would go get it and call it back to him.  He waited, I was tied up on something.  He gets up early and I had to get in to open the store in the morning.  So the market closes its customer service counter at 10pm and cannot load those prepaid cards when i got there, because I would have just bought it there with the food items i needed.  So i got stuck behind the bored house-husband and the 3 cashiers trying to straighten everything out without regards to anyone else there of course.  LOL. Yeah, conflict and how it effects you no matter if it is your fault or not.

Be careful at the bac table with conflict and what it will do to you, it happens and it hurts so many. 

[alrelax]

Great thread and input from some of our members and X-members!


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[Jimske]

People aren't losing because they're not reading the game clearly.  They're losing because they're gambling addicts!  You don't have to be a blackout drunk to be an alcoholic.  Nor do you have to completely ruin your family and finances in order to be addicted to gambling.  For many it's a disease they cannot control.  Yung Leh speaks of the "chimp."  Casino environment along with the euphoria affecting the brain that comes with gambling IS the chimp.  So for many the allure of playing, win or lose, is greater than the allure of winning!  The casino knows all this.  It's not the HE that makes them all that money!

It affects me.  It affects all of us, even Glen.  Difference is some able to recognize it in real time and discipline themselves to involve a mechanism to counteract it.

Can it be overcome?  Not without specific mechanisms and/or rules.  A firm plan for bet selection, bet placement, size of bets, recoup strategy if losing and exit strategy win or lose.  After that some may even need a slap on the side of the head!  Some won't be able to stick to it.  Just like with any addiction the first step is to recognize the problem.

[alrelax]

I am not attempting to write a blanket catch all gambling defense system or method or way to win.

I am defining and detailing the insides of the game of baccarat from actual decades of experiences gambling at numerous casinos in numerous regions of the United States. 

I am not attempting to define addicts versus those seeking to win.  Their physical presence and their reasoning inside of a casino and/or their happiness or sadness they inflict upon themselves and the outcome of suffering from that action, is not a concern of mine or anyone else.

As far as people losing because they play too long, is very much a huge factor and one of the most important ones because time will effect results once it effects the decision making process of the person making the wagering decision.  If they have to be present within the casino playing the game because of their addiction and not the drive to win and master the game, that is not something I can address or take into consideration because that is not an issue I will talk about or address or cure in anyway.  The same as I would not comment or advise someone coming into my restaurant that weighs about 350 pounds and ordering 6 cheeseburger platters and consuming same, that he should not because he is fat and addicted to food. 

As far was what many think..........................A failing person at what he does and fails to correct himself, is a failure that cannot be helped.  Any person, IMO, can be helped and corrected if he has an open mind and the motivation to change, even if he is addicted. 

But addiction or not, playing for a bit of recreation or playing for professional results, etc., all of the reasons for playing the game-----you will lose if you choose to sit there and play hand after hand, shoe after shoe, day after day, simple-I guarantee that one million, billion,  trillion percent. 

[AsymBacGuy]

Interesting thoughts.

Really.

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[alrelax]

Same as the bar business AsymB, some customers you want and some you do not, some will actually hurt your business and chase away more good money and better customer levels than others.  On the flip side, customers drink for different reasons, with different motives, ultimate goals and many other things.  Are they alcoholics or addicted to alcohol or are they complimenting a food dish and using the alcohol to  enhance something?  Everyone would have varying opinions and conclusions.  IMO. 

Same as my neighbor whom spends every available hour attending to his yard, garden and shrubbery.  The grounds are a show place.  However, I have never seem him or the people every enjoy the place in the common sense of the word, livability and experience, rather than having and possession.  Is he addictive?  Is he crazy?  Is he of a different bred than you and I?  Is he normal?  Is he the same as all of us except he gets some kind of special sexual fix from his outdoor activities and no other obvious enjoyment or use of same?  I do not have the slightest idea and I really do not care, but a great example here as compared to a person playing baccarat that is addicted and one that is not.

The list could go on.

I am here for 3 things. 

1)  I learn and I am able to express myself in ways I cannot elsewhere;

2)  I enjoy the experience with almost all of your guys in numerous ways;

3)   I love the game in every aspect and BetSelection is a great outlet for me to realize things I would not have elsewhere--in person or on the net.


Writing and this board has also improved my game by leaps and bounds, for lack of being able to quantitatively put a dollar figure on it!

Maybe those that do not quite understand why those 5 or 6 members are not around any longer that could not abide by a few simple rules and felt the need to attempt their take-over of the board, are no longer here, the above might explain my side of it with reality.   

Carry On, Peace Out, Later, Alrelax/Glen

[AsymBacGuy]

One thing for sure, Al.
Your thoughts are really worthwhile.

Moreover, this site provided great inputs from people like you, Sputnik, Jimskie, Bally, gr8player, greenguy, Lungyeh, roversi, rolexwatch and many others now I do not recall the nickname.

Put the thoughts together and this game is 100% beatable itlst (in the longest terms)

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