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Here is what I was referring to, just so you are aware of some facts.  But it is still no reason to 'roast' WoV here or repeatedly threaten them or chastise them.


January 27th, 2018 at 11:05:23 AM
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    Quote: gamerfreak

    "I think big table implies that the shoe is passed around the table and the players deal the cards.

I must confess I've never actually played baccarat at a big table. In fact, I have played almost no baccarat at all, as it is a boring coin-flip game. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, a dealer still deals the cards at the big table. I think it is in the James Bond movies where the player does it. I suppose they did it that way in Europe at one time."

Which is so wrong and so crazy it is laughable!!!

Here was an answer and the guy/member gets banned the same day:

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I was emailed early this morning and asked to post this.   I took it off the board a while back and it's been in the moderators room and I'm reposting it. 

This is what Mike Shackelford said over at WOV about big table baccarat and related issues.


January 30th, 2018 at 9:30:01 AM
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    Quote: Wizard

    "I must confess I've never actually played baccarat at a big table. In fact, I have played almost no baccarat at all, as it is a boring coin-flip game. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, a dealer still deals the cards at the big table. I think it is in the James Bond movies where the player does it. I suppose they did it that way in Europe at one time".

The real -or- factual and experienced person's explanation of Baccarat is as follows:

"Here let me explain to you guys, as I have played the game of baccarat for a few decades all over the country.

Prior to around 2000 or so, there was only 'Mini' and 'Big Table' baccarat. Mini was always on the main floor and Big Table was always in the high limit rooms. Mini was on a black jack style, same height table with 7 or 8 players. Usually with a $10, $15 or a $20 min. Big Table was almost always $100.00 and up min.

Mini was dealt by the dealer, players never touched the cards. Big Table was the James Bond style. Where the players took the shoe, dealt the cards and each player held the shoe if he/she made banker winning hands. As soon as a player hand won the shoe was past. Counterclockwise. Never a dealer change or anything including rack fills or buy ins (Yes buy ins too at most places) as long as winning bank hands were made. It was the aura, the norm and widely accepted. The person dealing the cards was allowed to wager on either player or banker, but almost all did on the banker when they had the shoe. 8, 10, 15 banker runs would cost the casino huge money, unlike today where almost everyone misses the streaks because  they only believe in the 'cut'.

Anyways Big Table baccarat eventually after around 2008 or so began to be dealt 'Midi' or 'Macau' style as some call it. Midi came on the scene and that is the lower tables, poker height, not black jack style. Most Midi tables hold 7 to 10 players, one dealer. Players take the cards and bend, blow, stab or rip, etc. Usually $50 and up most places. Some $100 and up. Midi is in most high limit rooms as well these days. Midi has almost replaced Big Table baccarat.

Last I saw, Bellagio still had one Big Table Baccarat, Caesar's Palace had one or two at times, Wynn had one, the Venetian/P had one and that was about it in Vegas. To be clear, Big Table Baccarat has 14 seats, 7 players each side, 3 dealers. 2 work the bank sitting down and one stands up and calls the cards. The players deal and slide the 2 players cards tot he dealer standing and place 2 bankers cards under the corner of the shoe.

Now there is basically Mini, Midi and a few Big Table Baccarat left. As I said Big Table is also dealt Midi Style where the one dealer whom would normally stand, sits down and deals the cards. But the players have to state what they desire and the floor will generally always change the style.

EZ Baccarat is commission free and has the Fortune or Dragon 7 banker 40 to 1 bet, and either the Panda 8 Players wager or the Dragon Bonus, but not both. They play that either mini or midi style depending on the casino as well.

Mini bac and some Midi on the main floors allow back betting. Some casinos leave it up to the player to say okay and if the player does not want it, there will be no back betting in his spot. Other casinos allow it regardless. But still the table max limits are applied whether there is one or more people wagering a spot. Now, they are introducing layouts where each seated spot has 3 complete layouts, so a table of 7 can accommodate 21 players at a single time. 7 seated and 14 standing. Each player has their own spot on the layout. As well different casino have different rules about wagering Panda 8, Fortune 7, and Dragon side wagers with or without a banker or player wager. To the best of my knowledge, no high limit rooms have back betting.

You might see more this month as it is Asian New Year (Feb 16th) and many of the casino tend to up their table count and also place a few Big Tables into play. The smaller and the off strip casinos generally never have true old-school Big Table, the 14 seat/3 dealer type of table, also needs to 2 floor managers to stand behind each side to constantly watch the players on each end of the table. So all in all, the Big Table takes, 4 dealers and 3 floor managers to run the game. Usually always hand shuffle as well, wash 8 decks and true shuffle between shoes. You can figure every bit of 3 hours from shoe-to-shoe.

As well, many do not know but you can also be the 'house' in California card rooms which almost all have baccarat. Card Room Casinos, not Indian Casinos. In Card Room Casinos, the house cannot bank their games. There are license California Bankers that have to bank the casino's games, but the players have the first choice to be the 'Banker', meaning, they pay the other players or they take the other players wagers, minus a small commission for the house. For those of you whom got the guts and the bankroll. I have in the past several years ago and I know many people that have. Puts another variance to the game.

Hope that clears it up."

Just FYI guys.