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[Eight Iron]

I'm glad I did my due diligence before purchasing and found this thread.

Found this posted elsewhere:

For those who need an opinion on Dr. Tom's miracle method, here's a testimonial (a real one) from one of his students...

Full message here caught on YouTube before being deleted... :D:D


I. DR. TOM BOCH?S FRAUD & BREAKING THE LAW (in a fairly unique and partially well thought out way) I'M SORRY BUT DR. TOM IS COMMITTING SERIOUS FRAUD. THIS VIDEO IS FRAUDULENT AND the Courses are Fraudulent and without any scientifically proven merit whatsoever. A lawsuit is being put together shortly after the posting of this video b/c many people are getting hurt. As an extremely dissatisfied student of Doctor Tom who forced him to give me a partial refund b/c it was clear from my perspective that he had already spent most of the $4500 I gave him in a period of less than 12 hours from day one of training to day 2. THIS IS SERIOUS. PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM DR. TOM. Read below and see why I told Dr. Tom to stop selling this fraudulent piece of information to the public. I HAVE A TON OF EVIDENCE to back my assertions based on the more than a dozen assertions where Tom either lied, or changed his system(s) on the fly right in front of me, ADMITTED to me (accidentally) that his original $750 Home Study Course was essentially garbage BUT that his Hybrid system was great, trying to flip me into another used car lol. Like I said, a lawsuit is forthcoming for the following reasons: 1. I would like to get the rest of my money back, plus wasted expenses that he forced me to expend. 2. I would like to help other students / people get the rest of their money back from Tom. 3. I would like to protect future potential clients of Dr. Tom from being taking for a very expensive ride.

II. KINKS IN Dr. TOMS PERSONA He?s got a great ?Aw Shucks, I?m just a sweet old man that wants to help people? and ?I?m a real straight forward genuine guy on YouTube & on the phone, & in person?. - Don?t be upset, he fooled me here too. Really well I might add. Very well-rehearsed salesman. Once I saw everything and got the full picture over the 2 days, I began to question Tom on many of these discrepancies and his responses were quite poor, somewhat manipulative, and were meant to throw off more ignorant AND desperate people who don't know better or don't have basic street smarts. Towards the end of the second day, the whole thing devolved into me reprimanding / admonishing Dr. Tom for what he was doing to people. At one point I thought he was near bursting into tears b/c I think I was the first person in a very long time to show him the reality of what he was doing AND HOW he was seriously hurting people.

III. TOM EMBARRASSES HIMSELF AT THE CASINO Listen to this next part which is hilarious at the Maryland Live Casino: His performance at the Maryland live Casino was equally bad. In fact, IT WAS ATROCIOUS. Not because of losing money b/c he only does ?Virtual? lol, BUT because he had NO IDEA THAT the dealers and shuffle master machines were creating continuous decks, instead of individual / independent shoes of 6-8 decks that are not being recycled, WHICH renders his system completely useless BECAUSE it is 100% based on the history of previous outcomes in the shoe. THEN HE said, he almost never goes to the Live but that?s not true AND LATER he accidentally admitted he was at the same casino only recently with an all-star student. I HAD TO POINT IT OUT TO HIM. He had no idea and accidentally admitted that he was at the same exact table with another one of his "ALL STAR SUPER SUCCESSFUL" students, and they both did poor and he couldn't figure out why that was UNTIL I pointed it out to him that HIS SYSTEM WAS TOTALLY USELESS at the style of baccarat being played at the table he took me to. LOLOL. I mean you're the professional?guy! You?re the instructor. How idiotic is that? Someone tell me please? LMAO.

IV. BACK AT MY HOTEL ROOM THAT I WASTED 3 NIGHTS ON PLUS 10 HRS IN DRIVING + Several hundreds of dollars? He keeps telling me about these other students and all this (garbage) documentation of other successful students BUT THEN he accidentally tells me that many of those students are ALSO ?Virtual? betting, AND they are NOT even using HIS system in the manner in which he designed it to work. LMAO They do variations, LOL. Which is to say either A. They don?t believe in it OR B. As long as Dr. Tom gets paid he?ll say anything under the sun to make you feel like you can win with his system on a consistent basis. He began to curl up and respond somewhat like a child that was caught lying / stealing. It was truly sad to see a 72-year-old man caught red handed like a child. Part of his defense / shtick is that he's an old man. Like he's looking for sympathy and basically his mindset is "I tried" "I gave you useful tips.... sooo just let me keep the money okay?" That?s how he does things. ALL OF THE "USEFUL" Tips are either: A. Common knowledge. B. Common Sense. C. Easily obtained with just a few searches on google about gambling / betting / money management. Moreover, he doesn't even really know the history of baccarat very well. AND he has said that his system will work on craps and roulette, only later to WALK BACK that statement. The things that he said and did were so so pathetic. So much so that I began to feel great emotion and empathy for him, and I wanted to help him. I kept asking him how much money he had as opposed to how much money he needed? I really wanted to A. have him create a REAL system OR b. help him turn his system into something legitimate b/c as it stands, neither of his systems are proven in anyway, b/c it could help many people. I offered to assist him many times. He even told me what he needed for assistance I guess to throw me off. since that time, I have contacted Dr. Tom and he has not called me back and not taken any of my calls or responded to any of my texts. I'm sorry to say, like a little snake oil salesman hiding in the dark RUNNING FROM THE TRUTH OF a. What he has already done hurting many many people, b. What he CURRENTLY DOES WHICH IS HURT MANY PEOPLE, AND c. WILL CONTINUE TO DO, WHICH IS HURT MANY PEOPLE Like a degenerate gambler, he WILL NOT STOP. He WILL HURT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY....AND I fully expect him to try and lie his way out it by saying he's an old broken man with some illness, OR he has dementia, or some other lie to justify in his mind, WHY AND HOW he has the right to hurt me AND the rest of you. The testimonials are from people who fall under a few possible scenarios: A. Extremely lucky to have entered into a few shoes at the absolute right time, WHICH the N.O.R. betting system (or any other) would serve them through the process of surviving or making a few bucks on a shoe. The N.O.R. system is stuff also. It is just a basic form of logic in betting which if there is 3 or more bankers or players in a row, THEN bet it. If it chops / switches back and forth from player and banker, THEN bet that anticipated switch. OR he is paying them, OR bartering for them, OR they are completely falsified altogether. I EVEN OFFERED TO ASSIST him in improving the program into something real b/c it was not science based. It was not mathematically tested against ANYTHING other than few shoes and some good fortune AND ALSO eliminating anything related to bad shoes. There were no continuous shoes over a 4, 8, or 12hr period. There was no set 3-5 days at any particular casino. None of it, and if there was anything close to it, he couldn?t prove it one way other the other but his true dark character rang true pretty early that?s for sure. BUT as I told him, he had extremely limited data that was mostly 2nd hand from other people doing all kinds of crazy variations of his system and getting lucky based on the 50/50 principle. NO LEGITIMATE TESTING WHATSOEVER. Only cherry-picking information that suited his needs. There WERE SO MANY DISCREPENCIES it?s unbelievable. AND there is no way he can cover it all up! NO WAY AT ALL. The evidence is beyond damning Dr. Tom. It?s a literal slam dunk in court. LOL. He does AND WILL say anything to cover the fact that his system is NO BETTER THAN you going on your own and betting with any sort of logical and disciplined money management betting system. IT'S A FABRICATION It has crossed the line beyond borderline fraudulent and is playing the odds against all of us based on the reality that the odds of winning a hand is essentially 50 50 of Player or Banker. So, no matter what method you decide to use in life to bet anything in baccarat, you always have a 50% chance of being right OR wrong. Tom admits to having lost all kinds of money on gambling and different betting systems for 40+ years, bla blab bla. BUT WHAT HE DOESN?T TELL YOU?. Is that he is winning all his money back?.BY STEALING FROM ALL OF US. That?s his solution to being a degenerate typical losing gambler. TAKING OUR MONEY?. Is HIS SOLUTION. P.S. * Also I would like to thank you Dr. Tom for being such a great guy and buying me lunch 2 times WITH MY MONEY. LOL. (and that Costco protein bar. What a guy!) Is that worth $4500 Dr. Tom? P.P.S. For those of you who want to get your money back OR at least stop Dr. Tom from hurting other people. As of right now, put your true testimonials in the comments of his videos and please contact me through YouTube, and be safe out there.

[cogger]

Wow eightiron. I got skeptical when I noticed he did'nt even spell "Gmail"  correctly is his video LOL. I sent out  2 emails in the past 2 days and have gotten no replies.

[alrelax]

Vo, we have been through this stuff before.  There are no set mechanical or other kind of systems that will profit from shoe to shoe to shoe and from property to property to property. 

There are our own triggers, which are extremely volatile in most cases, out of 10 visits they might hit 9 times and out of the next 10 visits they hit 3 times overall.  Or anything in between.  Or a winning streak for 3 months and then a losing streak for triple that. 

But as far as a system with a set wagering pattern, IMO, one does not exist that will prevail over numerous visits.  I am not even going to the proverbial 'in the long run'.

Be Smart, Be Knowledgeable, DO NOT BE GREEDY when you do win, Realize there are no systems that can outweigh your own stupid and irrational desires, etc., etc. 

When posting on my board here, please keep it factual, real and reserve the personal feelings and insults the best you can.  You can comment, do not make it all insults and degradation, please. 

Read the above quote I wrote on this subject a couple of years ago, thanks, Alrelax.