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[21 Aces]

Looks like some experienced players have reviewed it in detail so just curious as to what their latest view is.  Just like I am curious about the TKO group, etc.  People start posting up a storm and then nothing more is stated.

[Qswaggerstupid18]

I mean, I can't speak for others, but I'm still doing GREAT with it, But I'm pretty sure I'm the ONLY one using his system the way I am. I have EXTREME patience, Great money management, displince.... Get a win goal and stop loss!...track EVERYTHING you do...Not everyday will be a success...But most are!! This year alone I'm up 50+ units inside the casinos. Too some might be like that's not alot!... It is when you're throwing $1,000 a CHIP!...I'm not quite there.... Lol but I am throwing down $250 a hand now!!.... Whatever you do, just make it work for you!!.. ALSO TEST TEST TEST before playing real money ... until you tweak an see consistently and what you doing... trust me it can happen...But also let me say I'm still a NEWBIE in this game, just started like 8months ago!!, Just have to keep everything REAL and straight forward!!

[vo rogue]

Thanks Justme .... Two people have purchase the System from here.... But YES it's 500$ to get the FULL system instead of 700$ you would have to pay...I personally paid 4,500$ for the one on one training, I only offered the service since many people inbox me about it...but I don't have to sell it, cause I'm doing great with it....But NOTHING FREE....PEACE

Q_STUPID-18,  Just to keep things REAL and STRAIGHT,  you join the forum, and on first post tell us how you only won 70u that month (poor thing you),  then 1 week later you are selling DR.SCAMS bacc system for $500, but you paid $4500 for,  a newbie selling someones system for 1/10th of what they paid for it, HA HA HA, your really doing great, but feel for other people so sell it to help them, HA HA. Now you have a SPECIAL TWEAK to the system LOL.  You posted that DR.SCAM is suing you, post when you and the doctor attend court i will try to make it will be a good laugh.
                     PEACE

[vo rogue]

Thanks Justme .... Two people have purchase the System from here.... But YES it's 500$ to get the FULL system instead of 700$ you would have to pay...I personally paid 4,500$ for the one on one training, I only offered the service since many people inbox me about it...but I don't have to sell it, cause I'm doing great with it....But NOTHING FREE....PEACE

[alrelax]

Vo, we have been through this stuff before.  There is no set mechanical or other kind of system that will profit from shoe to shoe to shoe and from property to property to property. 

There are our own triggers, which are extremely volatile in most cases, out of 10 visits they might hit 9 times and out of the next 10 visits they hit 3 times overall.  Or anything in between.  Or a winning streak for 3 months and then a losing streak for triple that. 

But as far as a system with a set wagering pattern, IMO, one does not exist that will prevail over numerous visits.  I am not even going to the proverbial 'in the long run'. 

[Qswaggerstupid18]

Lol Vo, +70 units is great for me in a month!, again it doesn't take me no more than 10 - 20mins a day to play, but I'm VERY happen with my results, Especially if it's CONSISTENT!!!! again that's why I'm currently building my bankroll to go inside an have $1,000 as a base bet, we taking about $70,000... IM ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE... But alrelax, everyone says LONG TERM!!... what's exactly long term!!??.... A HUGE professional player once told me 2 years is considered long terms!... Or does it go by a certain amount of units you're up ... Maybe +1000 units or +10,000 units!???... Thanks

[21 Aces]

Sorry, I guess my update request was more for marinetech and others who went through a lot of work to diligently evaluate the system.  Just wanted to see what the latest view was.

Qswaggerstupid18 has stated that he is applying the system successfully and with his own spin on it.  It is possible isn't it?  If you break down a system and look for where it does best then you could just apply it when you think you have run across that situation.

[yrag89]

The 3rd collumn goes against the WL collumn?
When the expectation is wrong is becomes a - and if its correct it becomes a +
WL switching number 1111. the next would be a 1.
If the result is a 1, 3rd column annotes a +
If the result is a 2, 3rd column annotes a -

Is this correct?

[alrelax]

One member says:  "It's obfuscation of coherent functionality for the purpose of misdirection and confusion".  (which I just seen today and below is what I wrote last night)

I say: "All they do is put a twist on the truth and the outcomes creating a grey area and then convince you that the key to easy profits is knowing how to conquer that area which is really only their own exaggerated make believe"!!!!

[jsintl]

Lol Vo, +70 units is great for me in a month!, again it doesn't take me no more than 10 - 20mins a day to play, but I'm VERY happen with my results, Especially if it's CONSISTENT!!!! again that's why I'm currently building my bankroll to go inside an have $1,000 as a base bet, we taking about $70,000... IM ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE... But alrelax, everyone says LONG TERM!!... what's exactly long term!!??.... A HUGE professional player once told me 2 years is considered long terms!... Or does it go by a certain amount of units you're up ... Maybe +1000 units or +10,000 units!???... Thanks

Hello!  Anybody still playing this method with success?  Please share your experience.

[Poss]

I've been using this system for at least a week now and just like Baccarat, there are times you will win, and there are also certainty times when nothing you do is working out. This is perhaps because i'm playing with an extremely tight bankroll and this system almost always demands for a bet to made for each and every line of the shoe once the pattern has been established.

I have been trying to employ Alrelax's frame of mind and methods he uses such as 1-3-2-6 and 1/3,1-3/1-3 because overall, it seems more logical and it is less taxing on the brain not having to chart out each and every single outcome of a shoe and just play it as it is, knowing that there are times when you are lucky and times when you are not and the real advantage is to know what to do given these circumstances. Given his decade of experience, i don't find he has any reason to lie so I find his concepts and ideology really intriguing and still trying to practice it.

As for Dr. Tom and his system, he is a helpful man by heart, I have personally sent mails and text and was given prompt replies on many occasions but if consistency don't show, then all that ultimately goes to waste. I am still really conflicted on whether to stick to Dr. Tom or just play the game as it is as Alrelax calls it, that the harsh reality is that there is no system that can beat the casino long term.

However I'd still like to find out if there are any Student out there of Dr. Tom's and how they are managing/profiting from his system. I myself had bought the system because of desperation before stumbling upon this forum and would just like to get some fresh perspectives. Thank you

[alrelax]

I've been using this system for at least a week now and just like Baccarat, there are times you will win, and there are also certainty times when nothing you do is working out. This is perhaps because i'm playing with a very tight bankroll and this system almost always demands for a bet to made for each and every line of the shoe once the pattern has been established.

I have been trying to employ Alrelax's frame of mind and methods he use such as 1-3-2-6 and 1/3,1-3/1-3 because overall, it seems more logical and it is less taxing on the brain to not having to chart out each and every single outcome of a shoe and just play it as it is, knowing the that there are times when you are lucky and times when you are not and the real advantage is to know what to do given these circumstances. Given his decade of experience, i don't find he has any reason to lie so I find his concepts and ideology really intriguing and still trying to practice it.

As for Dr. Tom and his system, he is a helpful man by heart, i've have personally sent mails and text and was given prompt replies on many occasions but if consistency don't show, then all that ultimately goes to waste. I am still really conflicted on whether to stick to Dr. Tom or just play the game as it is as Alrelax calls it, that the harsh reality is that there is no system that can beat the casino long term.

I still like to find out if there are any Student out there of Dr. Tom's and how they are managing/profiting from his system. I myself had bought the system because of desperation before stumbling upon this forum but i'd just like to get some fresh perspectives. Thank you
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From Alrelax:


I call it the way I see it and I've been playing this game a long long time and I do have great success with it at times and other times I cannot profit I don't play every day and I don't play the same way and part of My Success that I do have with it when I am successful is because I have analyzed and used my own psyche and decisions come got it from always and not coming out at from one way the way that most systems teach and preach.the times that I come out the games I am playing one way I usually prop it a lot less than when I keep an open mind and I'm conscious of the correct way to play that I have tried to explain I hope this isn't getting too complicated but there's no other way to explain it. for example I just won nearly $30,000 on the one shoe and I posted it and it was a phenomenal shoe to me and my buddy combined we won almost $70,000 and the table 1 a couple hundred thousand we did it because we kept an open mind and we came at that shoe with everything that all of us knew from all different ways if we used one layer set method it never would have happened and we know that for a fact.but I am very curious about dr. Tom and send him a couple of emails and try to explain some things and ask them questions and he's never answered him and the reason why you never answered him I think he knows who I am and he doesn't want to get involved or talked about I don't know and I won't talk bad about him I don't think his system can Prevail the majority of the times however I do not know enough about him or his system but I know as a commercial person selling something he is very biased like all the rest of them.I had the shoe clearly posted from the board itself at the casino and the scorecard why don't you run it with the way that dr. Tom teaches and see how much you would have won using your regular bet and there's a good start to see if the system is any good. I know from 100% no doubt in my mind if I go into a shoe and wager one way or preconceived way I either lose money or make very little. the times that I make a good deal of money in comparison to what I buy in with and bet it is because I didn't have the mind frame of a one way bidding decision let's call that the direction door but I used all directions which I've also written about which would be 8 directions. and when the shoe comes at you from all different ways how is wagering one way going to allow you to win the majority of your Wagers?please answer.

[Poss]

Ahh.. that's really interesting. It has been awhile since I've come across a testimonial other than those from his website that claims that they make a tidy profit over time with his system and I just want to justify the money and sheer time i spent learning his system from scratch. I guess it is hard just to move on from this experience but somewhere in my heart, I still hope that this system will work out for me or if its just another scam as many have claimed. I personally have not invested a lot into his system in terms of capital but throughout charting several shoes, I am becoming more and more convinced that this will work. Of course, when actual bets are involved, this makes it more dangerous as I find it hard to leave the shoe stuck with a mindset that this system will eventually pull through and the reality strikes when I'm left with absolutely nothing.

I enjoy consistency and long term profits that's why I hold such high regards for this system but if reality and consensuses show that this System is really nothing more than just a scam, then i really need a wake up call.

[21 Aces]

From Alrelax:


I call it the way I see it and I've been playing this game a long long time and I do have great success with it at times and other times I cannot profit I don't play every day and I don't play the same way and part of My Success that I do have with it when I am successful is because I have analyzed and used my own psyche and decisions come got it from always and not coming out at from one way the way that most systems teach and preach.the times that I come out the games I am playing one way I usually prop it a lot less than when I keep an open mind and I'm conscious of the correct way to play that I have tried to explain I hope this isn't getting too complicated but there's no other way to explain it. for example I just won nearly $30,000 on the one shoe and I posted it and it was a phenomenal shoe to me and my buddy combined we won almost $70,000 and the table 1 a couple hundred thousand we did it because we kept an open mind and we came at that shoe with everything that all of us knew from all different ways if we used one layer set method it never would have happened and we know that for a fact.but I am very curious about dr. Tom and send him a couple of emails and try to explain some things and ask them questions and he's never answered him and the reason why you never answered him I think he knows who I am and he doesn't want to get involved or talked about I don't know and I won't talk bad about him I don't think his system can Prevail the majority of the times however I do not know enough about him or his system but I know as a commercial person selling something he is very biased like all the rest of them.I had the shoe clearly posted from the board itself at the casino and the scorecard why don't you run it with the way that dr. Tom teaches and see how much you would have won using your regular bet and there's a good start to see if the system is any good. I know from 100% no doubt in my mind if I go into a shoe and wager one way or preconceived way I either lose money or make very little. the times that I make a good deal of money in comparison to what I buy in with and bet it is because I didn't have the mind frame of a one way bidding decision let's call that the direction door but I used all directions which I've also written about which would be 8 directions. and when the shoe comes at you from all different ways how is wagering one way going to allow you to win the majority of your Wagers?please answer.




^This is not a testimonial about Dr. Tom's Baccarat System, but some notes by alrelax on how he plays which is how most successful players play.

[alrelax]

Ahh.. that's really interesting. It has been awhile since I've come across a testimonial other than those from his website that claims that they make a tidy profit over time with his system and I just want to justify the money and sheer time i spent learning his system from scratch. I guess it is hard just to move on from this experience but somewhere in my heart, I still hope that this system will work out for me or if its just another scam as many have claimed. I personally have not invested a lot into his system in terms of capital but throughout charting several shoes, I am becoming more and more convinced that this will work. Of course, when actual bets are involved, this makes it more dangerous as I find it hard to leave the shoe stuck with a mindset that this system will eventually pull through and the reality strikes when I'm left with absolutely nothing.

I enjoy consistency and long term profits that's why I hold such high regards for this system but if reality and consensuses show that this System is really nothing more than just a scam, then i really need a wake up call.

The  phone I was typing on his too hard to make Corrections on and edit everything I will respond to it from my office in the morning I will correct my typos and I will give you some more details since you seem interested and you seem sincere I'll put some time into it in the morning check back thank you