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I think the average ez baccarat shoe has 2 or 3 dragon 7's in it but my question is how often does a shoe NOT produce a dragon 7?  How many times out of 10 shoes do you think there would be no dragon 7 win regardless of a bet being made on it or not?  I'm just very curious.  If you played 10 ez baccarat shoes, would you say that 7 of them would have atleast one dragon 7 occur? 
thanks guys

[alrelax]

I think the average ez baccarat shoe has 2 or 3 dragon 7's in it but my question is how often does a shoe NOT produce a dragon 7?  How many times out of 10 shoes do you think there would be no dragon 7 win regardless of a bet being made on it or not?  I'm just very curious.  If you played 10 ez baccarat shoes, would you say that 7 of them would have atleast one dragon 7 occur? 
thanks guys

It's kind of a loaded question.

I wrote something on this, I will try to find it and throw up a link. 

The 'key' word to always remember is 'VARIES'.  Yes and No.

I say as a mean average in the short term; Meaning--when I sit down to play and then throw those averages out and not keep them running.

10 Shoes.  2 shoes, no F-7's.  3 Shoes, 2 or 3 F-7's.  2 or 3 Shoes 4-5 F-7's.  Then we have left either 2 or 3 shoes depends the way you counted so far, 1 F-7 each.

The other week I played and there was a period of 3 complete shoes, with not a single F-7.

A couple of months ago there was a period of 7 complete shoes, 7 as in 'SEVEN' without a single F-7 and then the next two shoes had 1 each. 

And I also find the following as a mean average to be pretty much greater than 50% of the times when the F-7's do appear.  If it made 2 it will better than 50% of the time make a 3rd one, if it is before hand 60 or so.  If it is early enough in the shoe, say around 1/2 way or so, if it made 3, it will better than 50% of the time end up with 4 or 5. 

[RouletteGhost]

My first time ever playing ez baccarat

Atlantic City 3 years ago

Harrahs to be exact

Cousins bachelor party

Sat down at a $10 ez baccarat table

Followed the Asian gentlemans bets sitting across from me

I hit dragon 3 times in 90 minutes. Won all the money back I had lost

Next morning I woke up. Went down stairs. Asian gentleman still playing with a humongous stack of chips in front of him

True story and I love telling it

If I'm playing live since then, if a person of Asian descent has a lot of money at my table, I follow them lol

[brokerny]

Roulette, I just went to Harrahs 2 months ago on a weekday, and the minimum for ez bac and regular bac was $25. About 7 years ago, I have seen $15. I have never ever seen $10. Are you sure it was $10?

[RouletteGhost]

Yup

About three years ago

And I was shocked because it was a Saturday

Usually it's 15 to 25 but the table I was at had a $10 minimum

My local casinos are $15 to $25 (jakes and resorts)

[RouletteGhost]

Brokering, where are you located

[jhousetc]

Before Taj closed they have 10 or 15 minimum. Since Taj closed, they hired Taj's Asian marketing team, added a few more tables. Now they only have 25 or 100 (with unlimited free hand).

[brokerny]

Roulette, Im in NY. I travel to CT for Mohegan and PA for Sands alot.

[RouletteGhost]

Same.

Long Island

Occasional day trips to my airy but mainly just play the electronic automated games at resorts

[brokerny]

resorts? lol. i just dropped my mom and her 2 friends over there and made $25!!!!! i haven't been there since september. they changed up a few things like having a new cashier cage, but its the same b.s. casino. the baccarat limits are a laugh. and I've heard even though you see the mechanical arms pulling out the cards, they can rig it so they can pull out the cards needed to beat the bigger played side, so I don't trust that at all. why drive to mt airy? when parx and sands are closer?

[Babu]

I think the average ez baccarat shoe has 2 or 3 dragon 7's in it but my question is how often does a shoe NOT produce a dragon 7?  How many times out of 10 shoes do you think there would be no dragon 7 win regardless of a bet being made on it or not?  I'm just very curious.  If you played 10 ez baccarat shoes, would you say that 7 of them would have atleast one dragon 7 occur? 
thanks guys

Can't tell you what the average is but I've played through many shoes without D-7s.  I usually only play after there are no D-7s after 2.5 or 3 shoes.  I usually hit a few.  Although I have experience 4 shoes without a D-7 once.  I was up about $2000 at the time.  I have seen people win up to $28,000 on a single D-7.   I was going to see how much I can make with that $2000 I made.  Loss all of it and even some of my own bankroll.  I gave up on it and about 15 hands later, D-7 hits. 

I don't play it anymore unless I have a large bet on the Banker and put down a few to cover it just in case.  I have had too many D-7s when I place a large bet.  I wish they kept  old version.  I just hate EZ baccarat.

[alrelax]

Answered a bit earlier in the thread, here is a fresh report from Friday night.

First shoe none.  Second shoe had one towards the end, around hand 70 or so.

Third shoe, 3 and spaced about 10-14 hands apart. 

[AsymBacGuy]

Good point.
It's like saying how many spins need a silent roulette number to come out.

A 1/37 probability number on single zero wheel can be silent for 500-600 or more spins, so a nearly 1/45 shot (EZ Fortune Dragon 7) may be sleeping for over 700-800 hands that is 9-10 consecutive shoes. 

A decent general rule of thumb dictates that what happened may it happen again so empirically I'd bet toward such bets happening again, meaning that shoes containing one EZ bonus at the start are slightly more likely to produce more bonuses.

A good proof is about the pairs bonus so frequently offered at high stakes rooms: more often than not whenever a side is hit by a pair bonus the probability to get another pair bonus is slightly increased on that same side.

No advantages for us of course, but betting the opposite situation would be a total disaster.

as.



   

[alrelax]

play last night four shoes, two shoes had zero Fortune 7s the third shoe had 5 and the fourth shoe had one.the shoe with the five, one was about hand 10, the second came around hand 20 the third came right around hand 45 and the fourth at hand 50 and then it was one more round 70.

The last shoe was only one a bit better then halfway

[alrelax]

Played last night 3 shoes and I seen a shoe and a half prior to sitting down for the 3 that I did play and post in my Blog.

1 F-7 total.  And believe me, lots of players lost lots of money on attempting a F-7, lots of Pandas, a single lone outlaw F-7 in the 5 shoes I saw.

I know a couple of the dealers well and I will go back probably Thursday night and I asked them to keep track of the following shoes that evening and tell me on Thursday how many F-7 came out.  They are good at remembering 1 or 3 or 5 per shoe and shoes without.  Almost everyone is putting up a nickel for the dealers and this place the dealers keep their whole tip minus a small amount for the back staff.