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Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
« on: May 21, 2020, 11:05:39 pm »
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  • Here are the first 24 hands of a shoe we played back in Jan or Feb, the side wagers were nice.  Seen more, but on the other hand, seen less as well.  Bad Beat Bac is a high slinging game.  The trick is to use a little bit of initial win money for your side wagers and be patient.  Hit one, pay the initial win money back to your off the table bank roll, put a little extra and allocate a bit more for side wagers. 

    Hand 1 through 24 as follows:

          PLAYER                      BANKER               COMMENTS
    1:  9/2, 3rd card 7           7                   Player Panda 8, 25 to 1, & Any 7/8 side wager also, & (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    2:     7                             7                   Tie, 20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
    3:     6                             6                   Tie  20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
    4:     7                             6                   Player  also, (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    5:     7                             2                   Player
    6:     3                             2                   Player
    7:     6                             0                   Player
    8:     7                             9 natural       Banker
    9:     8 natural                 4                   Player
    10:   6                             7                   Banker  also, (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    11:   6                             3                   Player
    12:   6                             4                   Player
    13:   7                             7                   Tie  20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
    14:   6                             7                   Banker  also,  (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    15:   6                             8                   Banker
    16:   6                             8 natural       Banker
    17:   6                             2                   Player
    18:   0                             8 natural       Banker
    19:   0                             7                   Banker
    20:   8                             9                   3 card 8/9 Player 3/2 flop 3=8, 9/3 Bank flop a 7, 200:1 pay, also (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    21:   0                             8 natural       Banker
    22:   2                             7 F-7             5/7/J Player, Q A flop a 6 Banker, F-7 40 to 1 Banker
    23:   2                             9 natural       Banker
    24:   6                             7                   Banker  also, (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2020, 07:33:23 pm »
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  •  Here are the first 58 hands of a Bad Beat Bac shoe from a few months ago:

        PLAYER                BANKER                      COMMENTS

    1.                                B
    2.     P
    3.                                B
    4.                                                                TIE
    5.                                B
    6.                                B                             3 Card 8/9 Player 6/5 pulled 7=8, Banker 6/Q pulled 3=9 (200 to 1)
    7.                                B
    8.     P
    9.                                B
    10.                              F-7                           Banker 2/3 flopped a 2 (40 to 1)
    11.   P
    12.                              B
    13.   P
    14.                              B                              Any 7/8 (50 to 1)
    15.   P
    16.   P
    17.                              B
    18.                                                               TIE  8-8
    19.                              B
    20.                                                               TIE  6-6  (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
    21.   P
    22.                              B
    23.                                                               TIE  6-6  (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
    24.   P
    25.                              B
    26.                              B
    27.   P
    28.   P
    29    P
    30.                                                                TIE  7-7  (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
    31.   P
    32.   P
    33.                               B
    34.                               B
    35.                                                                 TIE  8-8
    36.                               B
    37.   P
    38.                               B
    39.                               B
    40.   P
    41.                               B
    42.                                                                 TIE  9-9
    43.   P
    44.   P
    45.   P
    46.   P
    47.                               B
    48.   P
    49.                               B
    50.                               B
    51.                               B
    52.   P
    53.                               B
    54.                               B
    55.   P
    56.   P
    57.                               B
    58.                               B                                         
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 03:48:18 am »
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  • Hmm, 23 Wins for Player within 58 trials, 7 Push(Ties) and 28 Bankers. If someone is playing Banker he has 28/51, hence winning flat bet. For Players bettors like me, it is not so tough still with any good MM. As I said many times, trying to win flat will not work even for Banker bet in the long run as Banker will win more and lose less but still house fees will override that little advantage and make that a disadvantage instead.
                          If I start playing the Player bet since beginning, I will get a net profit in the second hand itself but let's start from hand #3. In W/L, it will look like:
    L
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W
    L
    W
    W
    W
    W
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    W
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    W
    W
    L
    L
               It will finish in a positive balance my way with Player bet too. It is far from being a horrible session.
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 03:51:49 am »
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  • All Bad Beat and EZ Bac tables here are commission free.
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #4 on: May 24, 2020, 05:58:42 pm »
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  •  Here are the first 51 hands of a Bad Beat Bac shoe from a few months ago, that the whole table did extremely well on:

            PLAYER               BANKER                      COMMENTS

    1.       6                        8 natural                     Banker     
    2.       9 natural            4                                 Player   
    3.       6                        3                                 Player
    4.       9                        3                                 Player                                                           
    5.       5                        6                                 Banker    (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)                       
    6.       3                        9 natural                     Banker                         
    7.       5                        7                                 Banker                         
    8.       4                        6                                 Banker 
    9.       4                        5                                 Banker  (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)                         
    10.     6                        2                                 Player                         
    11.     4                        6                                 Banker
    12.     5                        4                                 Player    (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)                   
    13.     7                        8                                 Banker  (Any 7/8,  25 to 1) also (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
    14.     3                        1                                 Player                         
    15.     2                        9                                 Banker 
    16.     6                        1                                 Player
    17.     3                        9 natural                     Banker                         
    18.     7                        5                                 Player                                                         
    19.     3                        4                                 Banker   (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)                     
    20.     9 natural            8 natural                     Player   (Any Natural 9/8, 50 to 1 pay) also (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)                                 
    21.     8 (4/A + 3)         4                                 Player    (Panda, 25 to 1 pay)
    22.     6                        2                                 Player                           
    23.     3                        8 natural                     Banker                                                         
    24.     9 natural            3                                 Player
    25.     9                        1                                 Player                         
    26.     3                        6                                 Banker                         
    27.     6 (10/6)             7 (10/10 +7)               Banker  (F-7, 40 to 1 pay) also, (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    28.     2                        4                                 Banker
    29      7 (J/3 + 4)          8 (8/7 +3)                   Banker   (Any 8/7, 25 to 1 pay) also, (Bad Beat win by 1,  1 to 1 pay)
    30.     6                        3                                 Player                                                           
    31.     8 (3/2 +3)          5                                 Player   (Panda win, 25 to 1 pay)
    32.     4                        0                                 Player 
    33.     4                        8                                 Banker                           
    34.     8 natural            4                                 Player                             
    35.     1                        9 natural                     Banker                                                             
    36.     3                        8 natural                     Banker                           
    37.     8 (9/A +8)          5 (J0/5)                         Player  (Panda win, 25 to 1 pay)
    38.     6                        2                                 Player                           
    39.     6                        2                                 Player                           
    40.     4                        5                                 Banker
    41.     2                        3                                 Banker                         
    42.     9                        1                                 Player                         
    43.     7                        0                                 Player
    44.     1                        5                                 Banker
    45.     9 natural            6                                 Player
    46.     2                        1                                 Player
    47.     9 natural            5                                 Player                           
    48.     1                        4                                 Banker
    49.     0                        5                                 Banker                       
    50.     6  (K/6)              7 (7/3 + 7)                  Banker (F-7, also, Any7/6, 4 to 1 pay, also Bad Beat win by 1, pay 1 to 1)                           
    51.     8 natural           8 natural                     TIE  (8/8 Tie, First TIE of the shoe @ Hand 51)
                           
    NOTES:

    First tie at Hand 51.  I have wrote about and mentioned numerous times about no ties or an extremely limited amount of ties in the beginning.  Player can use that situation to their advantage most times.

    25/25 B and P, Dead Even at the first tie.  Also NOTE.  The numerous one point wins/losses, etc. Chop-Chop back and forth.  Another event/item I have wrote about in the past. 


           
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2020, 11:04:56 pm »
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  • Nice job Al, thanks.

    Let's consider this last shoe outcomes upon my plans lens.

    1-3-3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3-1-2-3-3-1-1-2-3-2-2-1-3-3

    that is + + + + + + + + + + + + + - - + - - - +

    B2/B1-B3: - + +

    An overall -1 loss before tax....

    But...

    as.

     

     
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 11:11:47 pm »
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  • The 58 hands dealt shoe:

    + - + + + + + + + + + + - - + + - + + + - + + *

    B2/B1-B3: + + + + *

    Overall wins before tax: + 5

    as.

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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 11:16:24 pm »
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  • No tax.  So many forum members think commission exists on EZ Bac and Bad Beat Bac and the other similar version of those.  None, any longer. 
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    Baccarat, actually a mixture of Watergate, attacking the Gotti Family and the famous ear biting Tyson fight leading to disqualification and a near riot.  Bac has all that more.
     
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 11:21:54 pm »
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  • Ok, but at EZ tables house edge is still around 1% (better than 1.06%..)

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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #9 on: May 27, 2020, 08:08:24 am »
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  • Hi Albalaha, can i know your max bet, max drawdown and number of units won for this session?

    If you realised, I have been asking the same questions for all the different horror sessions u posted. I have been trying to use your MM as a benchmark for my personal MM.

    Hmm, 23 Wins for Player within 58 trials, 7 Push(Ties) and 28 Bankers. If someone is playing Banker he has 28/51, hence winning flat bet. For Players bettors like me, it is not so tough still with any good MM. As I said many times, trying to win flat will not work even for Banker bet in the long run as Banker will win more and lose less but still house fees will override that little advantage and make that a disadvantage instead.
                          If I start playing the Player bet since beginning, I will get a net profit in the second hand itself but let's start from hand #3. In W/L, it will look like:

               It will finish in a positive balance my way with Player bet too. It is far from being a horrible session.


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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #10 on: June 01, 2020, 11:06:09 pm »
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  • Another Bad Beat Bac shoe. Hands 1-50.
    Just finished, great shoe.  We stopped at hand 50.

            PLAYER             BANKER             COMMENTS

    1.    9 natural             1                          Player
    2.    6                          9 natural.            Banker
    3.    7                          9                          Banker
    4.    0                          8 natural             Banker
    5.    8 natural             9 natural.           Banker, Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1).
    6.    8                          6                          Player, Panda 8 (pay 25 to 1)
    7.    7                          8                          Banker, Bad Beat (pay 6 to 1), also Any 7/8 (pay 25 to 1).
    8.    6                          1                          Player
    9.    4                          0                          Player
    10.  2                          7                         Banker
    11.  4                          6                         Banker
    12.  9 natural.            0                         Player
    13.  3                          6                         Banker
    14.  0                          6                         Banker
    15.  3                          6                         Banker
    16.  9 natural             8 natural           Player,  Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50 to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1)
    17.  8 natural            2                         Player
    18.  9 (A/9+9)          8 (10/J+8)         Player, 3 Card 8/9 (pay 200 to 1), also Bad Beat (pays 40 to 1).
    19.  9                         3                          Player
    20.  6                         0                          Player
    21.  2                         0                          Player
    22.  7                         2                          Player
    23.  0                         6                          Banker
    24.  6                         5                          Player, Bad Beat (pays 1 to 1)
    25.  5 (7/5+3)           7 (2/10+5)         Banker F-7, F7 (pays 40 to 1)
    26.  3                         9 natural             Banker
    27.  5                         9 natural             Banker
    28.  5                         8 natural             Banker
    29.  1                         6                          Banker
    30.  7                         3                          Player
    31.  7                         3                          Player
    32.  6                         2                          Player
    33.  1                         5                          Banker
    34.  1                         6                          Banker
    35.  8 natural            2                         Player
    36.  8 natural            9 natural            Banker, Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1)
    37.  9 natural            2                         Player
    38.  1                         4                         Banker
    39.  2                         9 natural            Banker
    40.  6                         6                         TIE, 8 to 1, also 6/6 or 7/7 tie (pays 20 to 1) and/or 6/6 tie (pays 40 to 1)
    41.  8 natural            2                         Player
    42.  6                         6                         TIE, 8 to 1, also 6/6 or7/7 tie (pays 20 to ) and/or 6/6 tie (pays 40 to 1)
    43.  5                          4                         Player
    44.  1                          9 natural           Banker
    45.  1                          4                         Banker
    46.  0                          4                         Banker
    47.  3                          7                         Banker
    48.  1                          6                         Banker
    49.  9                          7                         Player
    50.  5                          6                         Banker, Bad Beat (pays 1 to 1)

    NOTES:

    Midwest property.  One of about eight major casinos that opened in the midwest earlier today.

    Table limit was $25.00 min to $10,000.00 max.

    Players were asked to wear masks but they did not have to.

    Dealers wore masks and gloves.

    No smoking was allowed and it was previously a smoking casino at the tables.

    There was no plexiglass or dividers which was widely publicized but I think is being
    held only to the West Coast and East Coast properties.
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 09:29:58 pm »
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  • Thanks Al!

    I just add that 8s/9s bad beat side bet is one of the best opportunities to wager on, getting an astounding player's advantage.

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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
    « Reply #12 on: Yesterday at 09:47:33 pm »
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  • Thanks Al!

    I just add that 8s/9s bad beat side bet is one of the best opportunities to wager on, getting an astounding player's advantage.

    as.

    Yes it is. That us the natural-8/9, for the payout of 50 to 1. The three card 8/9 is a bit tougher.  But if you sit down and play 3 shoes it might come once a shoe or twice a shoe or once every other shoe, but like everything else with bonuses or patterns,  might not come at all. Usually not more than two shoes without one time coming, but considering about 80 hands of shoe got a pretty good shot to get the 200 to 1 bonus, one time. All of my side bets or the bonus bets are done with the first couple win money totals, set aside for allocation for side bets from $10 to $50  possibly a bit more.
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    Re: Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe
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  • I'll start another thread about those bead beat options in my section.
    Anyway it's interesting to notice that 8s/9s bad beat must come out very often at least once per every shoe dealt, unfortunately the three card 8-9 bad beat appearance is very volatile and should be easily fixed by a "proper" shuffling.

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    « Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 10:54:45 pm »
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  • I'll start another thread about those bead beat options in my section.
    Anyway it's interesting to notice that 8s/9s bad beat must come out very often at least once per every shoe dealt, unfortunately the three card 8-9 bad beat appearance is very volatile and should be easily fixed by a "proper" shuffling.

    as.

    Any Natural 8/9, meaning either side wins no matter what side has the natural 8 or natural 9 as long as they both appear in the same hand, that will appear throughout the shoes several times the highest majority of the time .  I believe it's one of the best side bets or bonus bets in bad beat, that there is. Yes three card eight nine on either side is much tougher but it does come out, it's not that it's going to come out once every ten shoes or once every every four shoes well beyond 200 hands, no. Same as the six six or the seven seven ties for the 40 to 1 or you can bet six six or seven seven and do 20 to 1 covering both. But I'm just not not much of a tie player even for the bonus as I mentioned.
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