Actual Hands of a Bad Beat Bac Shoe

alrelax · May 21, 2020, 11:05:39 PM

Here are the first 24 hands of a shoe we played back in Jan or Feb, the side wagers were nice. Seen more, but on the other hand, seen less as well. Bad Beat Bac is a high slinging game. The trick is to use a little bit of initial win money for your side wagers and be patient. Hit one, pay the initial win money back to your off the table bank roll, put a little extra and allocate a bit more for side wagers.

Hand 1 through 24 as follows:

PLAYER BANKER COMMENTS
1: 9/2, 3rd card 7 7 Player Panda 8, 25 to 1, & Any 7/8 side wager also, & (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
2: 7 7 Tie, 20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
3: 6 6 Tie 20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
4: 7 6 Player also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
5: 7 2 Player
6: 3 2 Player
7: 6 0 Player
8: 7 9 natural Banker
9: 8 natural 4 Player
10: 6 7 Banker also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
11: 6 3 Player
12: 6 4 Player
13: 7 7 Tie 20 to 1 or 40 to 1 payoff
14: 6 7 Banker also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
15: 6 8 Banker
16: 6 8 natural Banker
17: 6 2 Player
18: 0 8 natural Banker
19: 0 7 Banker
20: 8 9 3 card 8/9 Player 3/2 flop 3=8, 9/3 Bank flop a 7, 200:1 pay, also (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
21: 0 8 natural Banker
22: 2 7 F-7 5/7/J Player, Q A flop a 6 Banker, F-7 40 to 1 Banker
23: 2 9 natural Banker
24: 6 7 Banker also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)

alrelax · May 23, 2020, 07:33:23 PM

Here are the first 58 hands of a Bad Beat Bac shoe from a few months ago:

PLAYER BANKER COMMENTS

1. B
2. P
3. B
4. TIE
5. B
6. B 3 Card 8/9 Player 6/5 pulled 7=8, Banker 6/Q pulled 3=9 (200 to 1)
7. B
8. P
9. B
10. F-7 Banker 2/3 flopped a 2 (40 to 1)
11. P
12. B
13. P
14. B Any 7/8 (50 to 1)
15. P
16. P
17. B
18. TIE 8-8
19. B
20. TIE 6-6 (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
21. P
22. B
23. TIE 6-6 (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
24. P
25. B
26. B
27. P
28. P
29 P
30. TIE 7-7 (20 to 1 or 40 to 1)
31. P
32. P
33. B
34. B
35. TIE 8-8
36. B
37. P
38. B
39. B
40. P
41. B
42. TIE 9-9
43. P
44. P
45. P
46. P
47. B
48. P
49. B
50. B
51. B
52. P
53. B
54. B
55. P
56. P
57. B
58. B

Albalaha · May 24, 2020, 03:48:18 AM

Hmm, 23 Wins for Player within 58 trials, 7 Push(Ties) and 28 Bankers. If someone is playing Banker he has 28/51, hence winning flat bet. For Players bettors like me, it is not so tough still with any good MM. As I said many times, trying to win flat will not work even for Banker bet in the long run as Banker will win more and lose less but still house fees will override that little advantage and make that a disadvantage instead.
If I start playing the Player bet since beginning, I will get a net profit in the second hand itself but let's start from hand #3. In W/L, it will look like:
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
L
L
It will finish in a positive balance my way with Player bet too. It is far from being a horrible session.

alrelax · May 24, 2020, 03:51:49 AM

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alrelax · May 24, 2020, 05:58:42 PM

Here are the first 51 hands of a Bad Beat Bac shoe from a few months ago, that the whole table did extremely well on:

PLAYER BANKER COMMENTS

1. 6 8 natural Banker
2. 9 natural 4 Player
3. 6 3 Player
4. 9 3 Player
5. 5 6 Banker (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
6. 3 9 natural Banker
7. 5 7 Banker
8. 4 6 Banker
9. 4 5 Banker (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
10. 6 2 Player
11. 4 6 Banker
12. 5 4 Player (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
13. 7 8 Banker (Any 7/8, 25 to 1) also (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
14. 3 1 Player
15. 2 9 Banker
16. 6 1 Player
17. 3 9 natural Banker
18. 7 5 Player
19. 3 4 Banker (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
20. 9 natural 8 natural Player (Any Natural 9/8, 50 to 1 pay) also (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
21. 8 (4/A + 3) 4 Player (Panda, 25 to 1 pay)
22. 6 2 Player
23. 3 8 natural Banker
24. 9 natural 3 Player
25. 9 1 Player
26. 3 6 Banker
27. 6 (10/6) 7 (10/10 +7) Banker (F-7, 40 to 1 pay) also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
28. 2 4 Banker
29 7 (J/3 + 4) 8 (8/7 +3) Banker (Any 8/7, 25 to 1 pay) also, (Bad Beat win by 1, 1 to 1 pay)
30. 6 3 Player
31. 8 (3/2 +3) 5 Player (Panda win, 25 to 1 pay)
32. 4 0 Player
33. 4 8 Banker
34. 8 natural 4 Player
35. 1 9 natural Banker
36. 3 8 natural Banker
37. 8 (9/A +8) 5 (J0/5) Player (Panda win, 25 to 1 pay)
38. 6 2 Player
39. 6 2 Player
40. 4 5 Banker
41. 2 3 Banker
42. 9 1 Player
43. 7 0 Player
44. 1 5 Banker
45. 9 natural 6 Player
46. 2 1 Player
47. 9 natural 5 Player
48. 1 4 Banker
49. 0 5 Banker
50. 6 (K/6) 7 (7/3 + 7) Banker (F-7, also, Any7/6, 4 to 1 pay, also Bad Beat win by 1, pay 1 to 1)
51. 8 natural 8 natural TIE (8/8 Tie, First TIE of the shoe @ Hand 51)

NOTES:

First tie at Hand 51. I have wrote about and mentioned numerous times about no ties or an extremely limited amount of ties in the beginning. Player can use that situation to their advantage most times.

25/25 B and P, Dead Even at the first tie. Also NOTE. The numerous one point wins/losses, etc. Chop-Chop back and forth. Another event/item I have wrote about in the past.

AsymBacGuy · May 24, 2020, 11:04:56 PM

Nice job Al, thanks.

Let's consider this last shoe outcomes upon my plans lens.

1-3-3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-3-1-2-3-3-1-1-2-3-2-2-1-3-3

that is + + + + + + + + + + + + + - - + - - - +

B2/B1-B3: - + +

An overall -1 loss before tax....

But...

as.

AsymBacGuy · May 24, 2020, 11:11:47 PM

The 58 hands dealt shoe:

+ - + + + + + + + + + + - - + + - + + + - + + *

B2/B1-B3: + + + + *

Overall wins before tax: + 5

as.

alrelax · May 24, 2020, 11:16:24 PM

No tax. So many forum members think commission exists on EZ Bac and Bad Beat Bac and the other similar version of those. None, any longer.

AsymBacGuy · May 24, 2020, 11:21:54 PM

Ok, but at EZ tables house edge is still around 1% (better than 1.06%..)

as.

sean · May 27, 2020, 08:08:24 AM

Hi Albalaha, can i know your max bet, max drawdown and number of units won for this session?

If you realised, I have been asking the same questions for all the different horror sessions u posted. I have been trying to use your MM as a benchmark for my personal MM.

Quote from: Albalaha on May 24, 2020, 03:48:18 AM
Hmm, 23 Wins for Player within 58 trials, 7 Push(Ties) and 28 Bankers. If someone is playing Banker he has 28/51, hence winning flat bet. For Players bettors like me, it is not so tough still with any good MM. As I said many times, trying to win flat will not work even for Banker bet in the long run as Banker will win more and lose less but still house fees will override that little advantage and make that a disadvantage instead.
If I start playing the Player bet since beginning, I will get a net profit in the second hand itself but let's start from hand #3. In W/L, it will look like:

It will finish in a positive balance my way with Player bet too. It is far from being a horrible session.

alrelax · June 01, 2020, 11:06:09 PM

Another Bad Beat Bac shoe. Hands 1-50.
Just finished, great shoe. We stopped at hand 50.

PLAYER BANKER COMMENTS

1. 9 natural 1 Player
2. 6 9 natural. Banker
3. 7 9 Banker
4. 0 8 natural Banker
5. 8 natural 9 natural. Banker, Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1).
6. 8 6 Player, Panda 8 (pay 25 to 1)
7. 7 8 Banker, Bad Beat (pay 6 to 1), also Any 7/8 (pay 25 to 1).
8. 6 1 Player
9. 4 0 Player
10. 2 7 Banker
11. 4 6 Banker
12. 9 natural. 0 Player
13. 3 6 Banker
14. 0 6 Banker
15. 3 6 Banker
16. 9 natural 8 natural Player, Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50 to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1)
17. 8 natural 2 Player
18. 9 (A/9+9) 8 (10/J+8) Player, 3 Card 8/9 (pay 200 to 1), also Bad Beat (pays 40 to 1).
19. 9 3 Player
20. 6 0 Player
21. 2 0 Player
22. 7 2 Player
23. 0 6 Banker
24. 6 5 Player, Bad Beat (pays 1 to 1)
25. 5 (7/5+3) 7 (2/10+5) Banker F-7, F7 (pays 40 to 1)
26. 3 9 natural Banker
27. 5 9 natural Banker
28. 5 8 natural Banker
29. 1 6 Banker
30. 7 3 Player
31. 7 3 Player
32. 6 2 Player
33. 1 5 Banker
34. 1 6 Banker
35. 8 natural 2 Player
36. 8 natural 9 natural Banker, Any 2 card 8/9 natural (pay 50to 1) also Bad Beat (pay 10 to 1)
37. 9 natural 2 Player
38. 1 4 Banker
39. 2 9 natural Banker
40. 6 6 TIE, 8 to 1, also 6/6 or 7/7 tie (pays 20 to 1) and/or 6/6 tie (pays 40 to 1)
41. 8 natural 2 Player
42. 6 6 TIE, 8 to 1, also 6/6 or7/7 tie (pays 20 to ) and/or 6/6 tie (pays 40 to 1)
43. 5 4 Player
44. 1 9 natural Banker
45. 1 4 Banker
46. 0 4 Banker
47. 3 7 Banker
48. 1 6 Banker
49. 9 7 Player
50. 5 6 Banker, Bad Beat (pays 1 to 1)

NOTES:

Midwest property. One of about eight major casinos that opened in the midwest earlier today.

Table limit was $25.00 min to $10,000.00 max.

Players were asked to wear masks but they did not have to.

Dealers wore masks and gloves.

No smoking was allowed and it was previously a smoking casino at the tables.

There was no plexiglass or dividers which was widely publicized but I think is being
held only to the West Coast and East Coast properties.

AsymBacGuy · June 02, 2020, 09:29:58 PM

Thanks Al!

I just add that 8s/9s bad beat side bet is one of the best opportunities to wager on, getting an astounding player's advantage.

as.

alrelax · June 02, 2020, 09:47:33 PM

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 02, 2020, 09:29:58 PM
Thanks Al!

I just add that 8s/9s bad beat side bet is one of the best opportunities to wager on, getting an astounding player's advantage.

as.

Yes it is. That us the natural-8/9, for the payout of 50 to 1. The three card 8/9 is a bit tougher. But if you sit down and play 3 shoes it might come once a shoe or twice a shoe or once every other shoe, but like everything else with bonuses or patterns, might not come at all. Usually not more than two shoes without one time coming, but considering about 80 hands of shoe got a pretty good shot to get the 200 to 1 bonus, one time. All of my side bets or the bonus bets are done with the first couple win money totals, set aside for allocation for side bets from $10 to $50 possibly a bit more.

AsymBacGuy · June 02, 2020, 10:33:37 PM

I'll start another thread about those bead beat options in my section.
Anyway it's interesting to notice that 8s/9s bad beat must come out very often at least once per every shoe dealt, unfortunately the three card 8-9 bad beat appearance is very volatile and should be easily fixed by a "proper" shuffling.

as.

alrelax · June 02, 2020, 10:54:45 PM

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on June 02, 2020, 10:33:37 PM
I'll start another thread about those bead beat options in my section.
Anyway it's interesting to notice that 8s/9s bad beat must come out very often at least once per every shoe dealt, unfortunately the three card 8-9 bad beat appearance is very volatile and should be easily fixed by a "proper" shuffling.

as.

Any Natural 8/9, meaning either side wins no matter what side has the natural 8 or natural 9 as long as they both appear in the same hand, that will appear throughout the shoes several times the highest majority of the time . I believe it's one of the best side bets or bonus bets in bad beat, that there is. Yes three card eight nine on either side is much tougher but it does come out, it's not that it's going to come out once every ten shoes or once every every four shoes well beyond 200 hands, no. Same as the six six or the seven seven ties for the 40 to 1 or you can bet six six or seven seven and do 20 to 1 covering both. But I'm just not not much of a tie player even for the bonus as I mentioned.