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[Rhamone1975]

Hey guys,

New to this forum and come from Australia.

I am a newish Bacarrat player, playing for about 5 years in brick and mortar casino here in Sydney

Just wondering if anyone has flat bet on bank before. I would just like to hear some feedback. So far this works pretty well and it profitable for me to take a 2 unit profit every time I play. Even on player strong shoes, I can wait it out and get my profit on the next one.

Has anyone ever tried this before at a real casino???

Cheers guys.

[soxfan]

Betting flat don't feed the bulldog, hey hey.

[vo rogue]

Welcome to the forum R75, if you are successful don't change.   5 yrs is quite a while playing, you must have worked out your own approach which is working for you.  have you always flat bet banker for last 5 yrs ?.  how many bets do you average per shoe. i like your take 2units style, i find while playing other players are too greedy.  i have never flat bet banker,  because i find it hard to win say 55% of bets over the long term.  but hats off to you if you can make it like that.  good old sydney town, im currently being held captive by crazy females, in the golden triangle lol, if i can escape i'll pm you for a session at the star.
     cheers trent   

[Rhamone1975]

Hey Trent,

I believe it's good to share what works and what doesn't mate. I'm not much of a mathematician but I do watch a lot of shoes, and I have seen this method work a lot of the time and I've won quite a bit from it too. But....I have  seen player be very dominant sometimes too. I'm still doing a lot of research on this play style and I am testing it live at the Star with small money. Once I'm satisfied I'm maker by a good long term profit, I will increase my betting.

My other method of play is to take 50 units with you, whatever they may be and bet on trends and such. We all know the patterns to look for, so I just try to follow the trends. I know what you guys think about house edge and stuff and that the casino will always come out on top but.....I win a lot of money with this style of play. I don't double bets as such but I start with say 1 unit and if I'm picking trends correctly, I'll keep going with my 1 unit, but if I get a good feeling on the next win, I'll just bet like 5 units and when I'm down, I do a couple of big bets sometimes.

With this method of play, I do lose sometimes, but the good thing is, I win more in the long term then I lose.

I think key is having a 50 unit bankroll with you so you can come back from small losses and just follow those trends.

That's pretty much how I play.

Cheers,

[vo rogue]

Good stuff r75 , looks like your organised punter, smart to bet small until youve got your plan sorted. A guy on here is always bangin on about patience and discipline , but his right, have to wait for your shoe to arrive.  My wife and sister in laws can't control themselves and have to bet on every deal, how can you win like that. and when do do win some,  won't leave until they given most of it back lol.
      o.k mate good luck for xmas n/y.

[alrelax]

Stats are correct and they are also wrong at times.......
Your most profitable times...will usually have nothing at all to do with implementing statistics........

Problem is, in the casinos favor, the player does not know and cannot control what the stats will produce or when they are coming.......

Flat betting can win often in various sections better than others or possibly a whole shoe.  If anyone has not observed shoes where Banker or Player is say 10 to 20 winning hands over the other side, they have not play this game much.  Of course if you are on Banker, it best be an EZ Bac (no commission table). 

I have seen 2 or 3 or even 4 lines or either B or P going straight down within small sections and the opposite side say 1 spot and then chop back to the side making all the repeats.  So in all essence you can get 14 to 20 or so winning hands of one side Vs. the other in the small section, not even the whole shoe. 

But, patience and extreme willpower needs to be employed and as others said, wait for your time.  How to identify that, I have touched on and others will highly debate the ability to identify when that time is there without letting it go by.  But again, some of us have it and some don't.  The same as dancing, making love to the opposite sex (or might be the same sex for some of you???), the ability to ask a floor person for a comp and survive a castration, the ability to cook, the ability to fix a vehicle, the ability to play music, etc., etc.  Some have it and many do it.  At what success ratio you have it will always be debated whether it is baccarat or one of the other things I listed. 

As far as me, who am I?  You can compare me to Tony M. in Saturday Night Fever and Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry and all his other police movies and also Telly Savalas from Kojak.  Oh almost forget, also throw in Bruce Willis in the Die Hard movies.  I get the job done, I know what is right and wrong and employ off the wall stuff and simply, throw whatever I feel out there at times.  I do the same thing on this board and members have a fit and revolt, downright chastise and humiliate at times cause I don't fit their mold of being another jerk-off trying to apply 10,000 shoe statistics to 3 or 6 or 9 shoes one night at the casino.  Thanks and good luck!

[AsymBacGuy]

Hi Rhamone!

Under almost every circumstance you can't win by flat betting, buy you are guaranteed to lose just the 1.06% of the total money wagered.
If casinos were to build their income about that 1% they would have closed their bac tables decades ago. (that is almost every player like to utilize bad timing progressions)

as.








 

[Rhamone1975]

Hey Asymbacguy,


Yeah, I don't know too much of the Math about the game, but yeah, I am doing ok with that flat bet on bank, for the moment and I will post when it loses, so far it's won about 34 times since I've been trying it.

I forgot to mention too, each of my wins has been played from the very first hand of the shoe. Most of the time it wins within the first 15 hands dealt.

Cheers,

[Nathan Detroit5]

If it works for you then do not change your method.


Happy Winnings !!


Nathan Detroit 5

[jsintl]

Hey Asymbacguy,


Yeah, I don't know too much of the Math about the game, but yeah, I am doing ok with that flat bet on bank, for the moment and I will post when it loses, so far it's won about 34 times since I've been trying it.

I forgot to mention too, each of my wins has been played from the very first hand of the shoe. Most of the time it wins within the first 15 hands dealt.

Cheers,

Hey... Are you still winning flat betting banker?  Do you have some kind of trigger before betting?  Do you stop for the day after winning 2 units  or that is your stop win per shoe.  And how many units is your SL per shoe.  Thanks

[Sputnik]

There is much better staking plans then flat betting and more effective.

Cheers

[jsintl]

There is much better staking plans then flat betting and more effective.

Cheers

Hey Sputnik,

Can you please provide more details about your staking plans?

Thanks in advance.

[alrelax]

Flat betting huh.  Say wager the whole shoe and maybe it turns out 50 Bankers and 22 Players.  Then again maybe, 37 Bankers and 32 Players.  Then again maybe 49 Players and 28 Bankers.  Or could be 34 Players and 35 Bankers. 

[21 Aces]

One can consistently win flat betting, period. 

One can consistently win by varying bet size, period.

One can consistently win with a losing strike rate and by varying bet size, period.

Betting Bank only will be very rough at times.  As stated, there are many shoes that are Player dominated throughout or for significant segments.

[Sputnik]

Hey Sputnik,

Can you please provide more details about your staking plans?

Thanks in advance.

It has to do with your understanding about the game and how to simulate winning results - all the tests that is done at this gambling forum among others is wrong.
You don't test one selection method flat betting until it fails or use any selection method flat betting or with progression until it fails.
Does test show nothing and are useless.
All system lose this way and same goes for this method we talk about at this topic.

Flat betting huh.  Say wager the whole shoe and maybe it turns out 50 Bankers and 22 Players.  Then again maybe, 37 Bankers and 32 Players.  Then again maybe 49 Players and 28 Bankers.  Or could be 34 Players and 35 Bankers.

I quote alrelax comment because it touch the core or cut Point.
We know when all system fails and create win targets and loss limits.

But without testing so we don't know what it means to be ahead.
You don't know when you are ahead using your particular method because you did all the testing in the wrong way.
This is one reason why your win target is a false positive or based upon wrong assumptions.

You pick any method with flatbetting or progression and do the following test to know when you actually are ahead.

Test 100 placed bets 10 times (minimum)
Then look what is the common and average amount you are ahead with all 10 sampels.
If it say 20% then you know that for exampel 90% of all times you will be ahead 20% and should quit playing - that is your true win target and you define what it means being ahead.

Same goes for loses and you will never face the sequense from hell as you will not ride that horce or going down that path.
Look at the 100 placed bets sampels to define the worst and most common drawdowns and you can define the loss limit contra your win target (for all 10 sampels).

Cheers