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[alrelax]

I have done reasonably well on F-7's on a local level here in the Midwest when playing bac. 

I have noticed that more F-7's come when there are very few ties when it gets past hand 30/35 or so. But when there are say 4/5 ties or more at that point, very few F-7's will appear.  Really see few shoes when I do play, that are experiencing 1 or 2 ties in the 30's or even 40's without a few to several F-7's coming out in the second half of the shoe.

Can anyone run numerous stats with that scenario? 

Say 1 or 2 or 3 ties appearing around hands 30-40 and then how many F-7's after that point?

[Bally6354]

Have a read of this Alrelax.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/card-counting-the-dragonfortune-7-baccarat-side-bet/


What you need is an absence of 8 and 9's and a surplus of small cards.

Regarding what you could earn.

''In dollar terms, if the house allows a DF7 bet up to $100 (say), then on a per-shoe basis the counter will average about $59.67 profit. The counter will earn about $8.03 per $100 wagered on the Dragon bet.''

Like Asym says....If you want a mathematical edge in Baccarat, count the cards. They will even give you a pen and paper at the bac table. 

[alrelax]

Have a read of this Alrelax.

https://www.888casino.com/blog/side-bets/card-counting-the-dragonfortune-7-baccarat-side-bet/


What you need is an absence of 8 and 9's and a surplus of small cards.

Regarding what you could earn.

''In dollar terms, if the house allows a DF7 bet up to $100 (say), then on a per-shoe basis the counter will average about $59.67 profit. The counter will earn about $8.03 per $100 wagered on the Dragon bet.''

Like Asym says....If you want a mathematical edge in Baccarat, count the cards. They will even give you a pen and paper at the bac table. 

I have seen that article and read that in relation to the patent thing, a family member was involved in that for a casino chain and did not pursue it.  Yes, I understand all that.

However, I have seen just as many F-7's in the beginning and I truly believe a great portion of them come within the 1st tens hands for one time and if not the first ten hands, by hand 20.  However, I don't play all the time 24/7/365 at every casino in the world, LOL.  This is my experience.

Stats are great for many things but as I have said, try to convert them to apply to the table you are sitting at, is extremely hard to do on a consistent basis.  I stand by that statement.   

[alrelax]

As far as stats, in the article he says the cut card is placed 14 cards back after the cut, most casinos yes, the ones in the Midwest not always.  The same about the 1 additional hand being dealt.  Again, not always. 

But stats are not even the same all the time.  If you run 100 or 10,000 shoes and I run the same, depending on the placement of the cut card and the shuffle (order of the cards) the stats can vary.  IMO, especially on the side bets and patterns/trends, etc., versus the total count of bankers and players.