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[AsymBacGuy]

Hi super8.

Thanks for your kind response.

What I wanted to say is that baccarat presents many successful situations where you'll have an edge just by flat betting.

And in the worst case you'll reduce the variance to the least.

I don't want to fall into the variance issues, I don't want to bet 25 or 30 or more x standard bet into a mostly coin flip situation, not mentioning that too many times we're getting the wrong side of our bets.

Soon or later any progression will fall into a deep negative period that will destroy every previous winnings (and some more).

I tested several methods having the best of it after 10.000 or 20.000 shoes then invariably crashing.
It's a natural thing: such 10k or 20k shoes had shown a slight propensity to one side or to arrange some events in an unlikely order capable to erase the proportional counterpart parts.

That's why I don't think this system will get the best of it itlr.


as.


 

[Jimske]

So in the BAT, it is said that we should only bet around 20-25 rounds per game . Each shoe is normally @70-75 round. Can we rest awhile after each game and start a new game within each shoe so that in a shoe we can actually play 2-3 games?
Or are we supposed to have the shoe reshuffled or move on to another table....doesn't make sense to me

Right, it's just hands per hour.  No good reason not to re-start a new game within the same shoe.

[Jimske]

My point, super6, is to wait some favourable circumstances where any progression could work as it is statistically player's shifted.
Not meaning that such progression can invert the negative edge by itself, instead it will work because we know that certain expected events cannot be delayed for long periods. They are due.
The like the house edge will be due in the long period.

as.

Actually to cut to the chase super6, his and Gr8's point was, is and always will be that one can predict favorable positions within a shoe to gain an advantage.  Of course that begs the question:  It's a claim that goes nowhere. 

J

[soxfan]

Soon or later any progression will fall into a deep negative period that will destroy every previous winnings (and some more).

That is nonsense, hey hey.

[AsymBacGuy]

That is nonsense, hey hey.

Yep, history taught us that progressions made thousands of millionares, hey hey.

We hope casinos won't read this.  Cross the fingers. 

SSshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


as. 

[AsymBacGuy]

Actually to cut to the chase super6, his and Gr8's point was, is and always will be that one can predict favorable positions within a shoe to gain an advantage.  Of course that begs the question:  It's a claim that goes nowhere. 

J

LOL.

as.

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Yep, history taught us that progressions made thousands of millionares, hey hey.

We hope casinos won't read this.  Cross the fingers. 

SSshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


as.

You always seem to have all the answers but never post what it is you do to make money?

What triggers do you use?

What bet placements?

You like to talk, that's about all I will give you..............

[super6]

Super6, friend. So do you do 2-3 games per shoe since each shoe can support 70-75 hands and the BAT suggests to bet only 20-25 rounds per game?

Lung - I start from the beginning of a shoe, enter trigger bet around the 3rd or 4th hand and begins the betting from there onwards, nonstop, until the profit target of 10 times the base bet is met. Most of the times reach profit target around 20 plus or less hands. Sometimes could go up to 30plus to worst case scenarios 40 plus hands to reach target. Of course, these are practice, games. In real life I don't think I will played up till 40 plus hands just to make the profit. In this case, it's a real struggle after 20 plus hands and still can't make the profit, then i will stop betting and take whatever is on the table and run.

I have tried entering mid-shoe, and its still workable, provided still have enough hands left to be dealt, but I like to start from fresh shoes. Once hit profit, stop and wait for new shoe to begin. If the casino you play in has got small minimum stake tables, it would be a good chance for you to play for trials in the beginning.

i attached a simple excel file of the tests results I did on Celtic Casino over 3 to 4 days which I told you guys about. And it did not get busted. Now I am testing on DublinBet and also on my own 8 decks cards. It got busted once during the 8th deck test. Otherwise holding up quite well.

[super6]

Hey , just to show you my Celtic Account as of the last game played during the test

[Lung Yeh]

King, Sir. WBK, yr winnings at BAT of 67k in a land casino right? Works well?  Any losses at all? Just skeptical about simulated results of online casino.

[Jimske]

LOL.

as.

It is funny that's for sure.  The diff between you and Gr8 is that you have only found 1 or 2 bets per hundred that give an advantage while Gr8 has found many many more.  Don't know how many times he bets a shoe.  He hasn't said but apparently he is reducing variance by predicting a lot more of those advantage hands to get a 54% win rate.  Is that net?  Gross?  He doesn't say.

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt it.  I have already posted my "variance" for thousands of live bet hands.  Neither one of you have done even that.

J

[raginbull81]

Just a quick question which some of you may be able to help with. I started using the system but was only playing in bet Victor's casino and paddy powers casino. Both were the games which I presume use a random number generator that deals the cards. It started quite well with just one loss in the first 10 games but by about the 25 game mark I lost another 4 banks. To be honest I am a bit suspicious of the casinos that use the cartoon type of table games with the RNG card selector. My question is where do you guys play and do you play the live games or the simulated ones? My question is mostly directed at super8 who seems to be having the most success with this system. I just joined Dublin bet but the live table that I looked at seems to be dealt a bit too fast to be able to place my bets in time. I have also read that some of you play at the Celtic casino so could you give me a clue as to which other casinos are reputable and also which type of games you play, live ones or the simulation ones? Thanks in advance

[Jimske]

Lung - I start from the beginning of a shoe, enter trigger bet around the 3rd or 4th hand and begins the betting from there onwards, nonstop, until the profit target of 10 times the base bet is met. Most of the times reach profit target around 20 plus or less hands. Sometimes could go up to 30plus to worst case scenarios 40 plus hands to reach target. Of course, these are practice, games. In real life I don't think I will played up till 40 plus hands just to make the profit. In this case, it's a real struggle after 20 plus hands and still can't make the profit, then i will stop betting and take whatever is on the table and run.

I have tried entering mid-shoe, and its still workable, provided still have enough hands left to be dealt, but I like to start from fresh shoes. Once hit profit, stop and wait for new shoe to begin. If the casino you play in has got small minimum stake tables, it would be a good chance for you to play for trials in the beginning.

i attached a simple excel file of the tests results I did on Celtic Casino over 3 to 4 days which I told you guys about. And it did not get busted. Now I am testing on DublinBet and also on my own 8 decks cards. It got busted once during the 8th deck test. Otherwise holding up quite well.

Good win even if it is practice.  What strikes me is that out of 30 shoes is you got to a Ret 6 times where you went 6 and 7 deep (I didn't count the 5's) and still hit your profit goal.  If I read the manual correctly that means you at least won 2 out of 3 of the next bets every time you reached those levels.  Otherwise you would hit your bust out point.

Given the number of times we hit 6, 7 and 8 losses IAR not to mention the times we will L 4, W1, L3 or 4 etc. It seems to me we will bust out on average about one time out of 8 sessions.  What's our Bust out?  $2,025.00 ??  So just to break even we need approx. a 10:1 win to bust out ratio.

Can you go 30 shoes without a bust out?  Sure.  But then they are due.  I got a set of 25 I fool around with which would lose 7 or more IAR 3 times.  Even though the shoes end up with a 50.8% win rate.

Summary for me is I don't see this as a viable method.

[AsymBacGuy]

You always seem to have all the answers but never post what it is you do to make money?

What triggers do you use?

What bet placements?

You like to talk, that's about all I will give you..............

Semyon Dukach, my hero, talked about the importance to sharing the ideas to beat the casinos.

We'll be glad to put in print our ideas to beat this wonderful game, let give us the time to sign the contract. 

as.







 

[soxfan]

Semyon Dukach, my hero, talked about the importance to sharing the ideas to beat the casinos.

We'll be glad to put in print our ideas to beat this wonderful game, let give us the time to sign the contract. 

as.

Are you related to the garnabby, hey hey??