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[AsymBacGuy]

Soxfan, who is this garnabby?

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[super6]

Bull 81 - In my opinion it's not advisable to play or practice in online casinos that use RNG. Too many negative talks about using this. So far I play other methods with real money only in Dublinbet and practice BAT in mainly Celtic Casino; and I also practice in Dublin and my own 8 deck  cards. Yes, I agree Dublinbet is super quick, so you have to be fast in placing the bets. They have proven to be reliable to me, as I been using them for the past 2 years; no problem with deposits and withdrawals. If you want to practice BAT not advisable to do it in Dublin. I usually choose the time to play there ( around 10pm, Irish time onwards ), when the casino players start crowding the table. that's when the game will be slowed down somewhat.

Jimske - my opnion:
The hit rate is quite high, and it will win more than it loses, unless one got busted a couple of games from the getgo. Yes, theoretically the bust rate is $2025 for a $25 bet, but there will be some accumulated wins along the way to cushion the onslaught of losing bets as it come along further down the road. Unless of course the player went into a tailspin of losing 7 to 8 bets in a row. Anyway, as I had mentioned, one also has to decide if the game is going on smoothly or not. There were a couple of games in my table that went to high 30's and even 40's bets. In this scenario, I would have decide to abandon ship and take or give away whatever is left on the table and run to another table. Also one can tweak the money management to his own comfort level to approach this game. The mm in BAT is rather aggressive ensuring quick success. that's why it stress so much on per hour wins. Having said that, Mr Greg Fletcher recommended in the manual to have a total bankroll of 5 times the game bankroll - page 75.

Please note that I am not endorsing this method, but just sharing with members my take on this system. I mentioned earlier in the thread I'd played it live with real money before - only 4 games, and all 4 games were a winner, but the casino increase table minimum, so I stop and left it on the shelf. I like the bet selection - it has a little bit each of streak, otbl, pitboss or whatever one wants to call it, and it absolutely kills choppy shoe

That's my take and 2 cts

[Jimske]

Bull 81 - In my opinion it's not advisable to play or practice in online casinos that use RNG. Too many negative talks about using this. So far I play other methods with real money only in Dublinbet and practice BAT in mainly Celtic Casino; and I also practice in Dublin and my own 8 deck  cards. Yes, I agree Dublinbet is super quick, so you have to be fast in placing the bets. They have proven to be reliable to me, as I been using them for the past 2 years; no problem with deposits and withdrawals. If you want to practice BAT not advisable to do it in Dublin. I usually choose the time to play there ( around 10pm, Irish time onwards ), when the casino players start crowding the table. that's when the game will be slowed down somewhat.

Jimske - my opnion:
The hit rate is quite high, and it will win more than it loses, unless one got busted a couple of games from the getgo. Yes, theoretically the bust rate is $2025 for a $25 bet, but there will be some accumulated wins along the way to cushion the onslaught of losing bets as it come along further down the road. Unless of course the player went into a tailspin of losing 7 to 8 bets in a row. Anyway, as I had mentioned, one also has to decide if the game is going on smoothly or not. There were a couple of games in my table that went to high 30's and even 40's bets. In this scenario, I would have decide to abandon ship and take or give away whatever is left on the table and run to another table. Also one can tweak the money management to his own comfort level to approach this game. The mm in BAT is rather aggressive ensuring quick success. that's why it stress so much on per hour wins. Having said that, Mr Greg Fletcher recommended in the manual to have a total bankroll of 5 times the game bankroll - page 75.

Please note that I am not endorsing this method, but just sharing with members my take on this system. I mentioned earlier in the thread I'd played it live with real money before - only 4 games, and all 4 games were a winner, but the casino increase table minimum, so I stop and left it on the shelf. I like the bet selection - it has a little bit each of streak, otbl, pitboss or whatever one wants to call it, and it absolutely kills choppy shoe

That's my take and 2 cts

Yes, thanks.  An aggressive recoup will definitely win a lot of shoes.  One can always introduce money management to reduce escalation and losses but that reduces profits at the same time. If we can reduce losses by just a little then we have a fighting chance.  The occasional bust outs and commission will reduce our hourly win substantially.  I'm sure many will win with this before they get big draw downs.  That's the nature of the game.  All in all the method seems to be worthwhile if one can grind up enough units to offset future bust outs.  No guarantees.

[Jimske]

Semyon Dukach, my hero, talked about the importance to sharing the ideas to beat the casinos.

We'll be glad to put in print our ideas to beat this wonderful game, let give us the time to sign the contract. 

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"let give us the time to sign the contract"  huh? I still think that English is your second language.  But go ahead and post the contract so we can see what it is exactly you are proposing.  Perhaps you could start a new thread?

[stratocasterman]

So...has anyone modified the Retrenchment betting series, a different progression or tested just flat betting with a comparable success rate? I was looking to lower the game bankroll if possible without destroying positive results naturally.

I have tested about 200 actual land-based recorded shoes with an amazing 93% shoe win rate (Profit Target of 10X Base Bet). I set NO absolute starting point in a shoe. I chose to just "jump in" at random or start at the beginning of an eight deck shoe. Once I hit a Profit Target in a particular shoe, I am DONE and on to another shoe. NO long hanging on or attempting to maximize a shoe Profit Target...just move on to the next.

I attempted to mimic my usual land-based casino style, of just walking up to any random table and starting play whether it was in mid-shoe or a new shoe.

ty in advance

[ezmark]

Is Semyon < Garnabby  ??

[Tomla]

stratocasterman
did you get your 93% with the retrenchment progression that greg uses or with another progression?

[WorldBaccaratKing]

So...has anyone modified the Retrenchment betting series, a different progression or tested just flat betting with a comparable success rate? I was looking to lower the game bankroll if possible without destroying positive results naturally.

I have tested about 200 actual land-based recorded shoes with an amazing 93% shoe win rate (Profit Target of 10X Base Bet). I set NO absolute starting point in a shoe. I chose to just "jump in" at random or start at the beginning of an eight deck shoe. Once I hit a Profit Target in a particular shoe, I am DONE and on to another shoe. NO long hanging on or attempting to maximize a shoe Profit Target...just move on to the next.

I attempted to mimic my usual land-based casino style, of just walking up to any random table and starting play whether it was in mid-shoe or a new shoe.

ty in advance

what was your profit target per shoe?

[Sputnik]

I have been testing the BAT with different approch.
I use the Wrangler March.
Regression up & pull and trigger bet and fibo for recovery.
Same principal.

[WorldBaccaratKing]

I have been testing the BAT with different approch.
I use the Wrangler March.
Regression up & pull and trigger bet and fibo for recovery.
Same principal.

could you show an example? thanks

[AsymBacGuy]

"let give us the time to sign the contract"  huh? I still think that English is your second language.  But go ahead and post the contract so we can see what it is exactly you are proposing.  Perhaps you could start a new thread?

Sigh, I apologize. I'm the worst english writer in the world. [smiley]aes/sad.png[/smiley].

Contract? It's all about a simple book, do you want to know the details about a private agreement? 


About the G.F. method.

Utilizing a total different (and quite rarer) bet selection, it works wonderfully. As any other progression linked to a method capable to bear very low degrees of variance.
Anyway this one has some merits.

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[Jimske]

Sigh, I apologize. I'm the worst english writer in the world. [smiley]aes/sad.png[/smiley].

No need to apologize.  I'm not criticizing just making an observation.  I don't write that well myself and English is my only fluent language.

Contract? It's all about a simple book, do you want to know the details about a private agreement? 

Sure.  As I wrote earlier - go ahead and post the details.  I'm all ears.

About the G.F. method.

Utilizing a total different (and quite rarer) bet selection, it works wonderfully. As any other progression linked to a method capable to bear very low degrees of variance.
Anyway this one has some merits.

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Rarer bet selection?  The presumption is that one has exhausted all bet selections.  Quite a statement.  But yes, BAT does seem to ahve some merits.  Particularly fi the LIAR can be reduced through a selection process.

The success of progressions are all about LIAR.  If one can reduce the expected LIAR, even by a small amount, one can legitimately say that one has reduced variance.  Agreed?

J

[super6]

Hohoho!!. First bust of the day in the practice shoes. Yesterday played 2 shoes in succession, first shoe got a quick hit of profits in 9 hands and the next played till busted. However, in the game there was a point where there was profit. In real life I would have take that and run. I attached the scoresheet of the 2 games played for you to digest. Good luck.

[soxfan]

Soxfan, who is this garnabby?

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The garnabby is a wild and strange cat that also like to talk in riddle, hey hey.

[AsymBacGuy]

The garnabby is a wild and strange cat that also like to talk in riddle, hey hey.

Ok I got it, but Semyon doesn't belong to such category.

Semyon Dukach was one of the two most successful MIT members who punished many casinos around the world. The very best gambling effort in the hystory of gambling to fk the casinos.

I like to quote his words:

If someone had told me that a few years ago that one day I would be revealing the techinques we used against the casinos to the public, I would have beeen taken it as a serious insult. For me and my teammates, beating the casinos has never been entirely about the money. Of course the money was important, and on the surface, the whole enterprise may have been resembled a kind of crazy financial start-up on steroids, but anyone looking deeper would have seen that for us, the blackjack team was not a business, but a passionate, desperate struggle against the mighty evil empire that was and continues to be the casino industry.

And:

Share them (your techniques) with others, post them on a blog, or write your own book. Because it's not just about how much you win, it's also about how much they lose!



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