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[soxfan]

Ok I got it, but Semyon doesn't belong to such category.

Semyon Dukach was one of the two most successful MIT members who punished many casinos around the world. The very best gambling effort in the hystory of gambling to fk the casinos.

I like to quote his words:

If someone had told me that a few years ago that one day I would be revealing the techinques we used against the casinos to the public, I would have beeen taken it as a serious insult. For me and my teammates, beating the casinos has never been entirely about the money. Of course the money was important, and on the surface, the whole enterprise may have been resembled a kind of crazy financial start-up on steroids, but anyone looking deeper would have seen that for us, the blackjack team was not a business, but a passionate, desperate struggle against the mighty evil empire that was and continues to be the casino industry.

And:

Share them (your techniques) with others, post them on a blog, or write your own book. Because it's not just about how much you win, it's also about how much they lose!



as.

Yes, but the MIT team was down about a million bucks at one point despite their "edge". Of course I agree that casino are greedy, scumbag entity so I hope that lotsa cats manage to win well, and regular, hey hey.





   

[AsymBacGuy]

Yes soxfan.

But at the end they were huge winners.

About casinos, I agree: they hugely comp us, they kindly greet us, they entice our play as they know that soon or later we'll go broke.
And whenever they suffer a transitory loss they are whining and whining and hoping the fortunate(s) will be back right on their premise.

At a high limit room, I recently witnessed an asian girl betting the maximum on tie bet, winning some consecutive bets in a very short period.
Casino personnel went wild, just as such circumstances weren't allowed by mathematics.
I'm talking about a more than 600k winning on just 6-7 hands.

What?

Are you complaining such a loss knowing you get an over 14% advantage on those bets?

Well, you (casinos) deserved to be punished.

Spectacular thing to notice is the girl didn't tip the dealers a f cent.

One more hero adding to my list.

@Jimskie: look on the blogosphere section of this site.

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[Mike]

At a high limit room, I recently witnessed an asian girl betting the maximum on tie bet, winning some consecutive bets in a very short period.
Casino personnel went wild, just as such circumstances weren't allowed by mathematics.
I'm talking about a more than 600k winning on just 6-7 hands.

Yes, but what you don't know is how much the girl was down before that big win.  It's senseless to place any bet if you don't have an edge. So how does that make  her a hero? it was pure luck.

[WorldBaccaratKing]

Yes, but what you don't know is how much the girl was down before that big win.  It's senseless to place any bet if you don't have an edge. So how does that make  her a hero? it was pure luck.

SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. He is new to baccarat. He speaks in foreign tongues and doesn't understand the game. Why else do you think he hasnt posted one single bet placement that makes him money?

[AsymBacGuy]

So how does that make  her a hero? it was pure luck.

Hi.
Hero as she didn't tip a dime. Of course ties are the worst bets in the baccarat empire.

as. 

[gr8player]

Actually to cut to the chase super6, his and Gr8's point was, is and always will be that one can predict favorable positions within a shoe to gain an advantage.  Of course that begs the question:  It's a claim that goes nowhere. 

J

Not true.

The serious Baccarat player comes to the realization that he must learn to control that which he can, and "let go" of that which he cannot.  Only then will that serious player learn exactly where his efforts should be concentrated.

Bet Selection is one of those efforts.  And that means playing a "subjective" game, for there is no mechanical bet placement method that will ever succeed to produce A.) a sufficient strike rate percentage, and B.) a limited variance.  Only the serious player, with full experience and knowledge of this most compelling shoe game, stands any real chance for long term success as far as their bet placements are concerned.

And, lastly, Money-Management is the second of those efforts.  And that means learning when and when not might be the best time to place their bet (read: a viable "no-bet" option), combined with a bet sizing strategy that takes into account their own personal variance statistics.

I mostly flat bet.  Absolutely to best MM method around for any serious player....flat betting.  Should the need arise (and it does not, too often...if it did, something is amiss in my play), I'll adjust those bet sizes upward, but, even then, minimally.  Patience is the word of the day.  So some sessions might take twice as long as others, so what?  Better to pay the price of time than the price of our bankroll.

It is a huge mistake, IMHO, to cast all Baccarat players under the same light, as I am certain that not all Baccarat players approach this game with best intentions over the longer term.  And, lacking that longer term mentality, then each and every hand dealt, each and every shoe, and each and every session becomes much too imperative, much too stress-filled.  No way to live at the Bac table, IMHO.

Stay well, my friends.

[Jimske]

Not true.

The serious Baccarat player comes to the realization that he must learn to control that which he can, and "let go" of that which he cannot.  Only then will that serious player learn exactly where his efforts should be concentrated.

Bet Selection is one of those efforts.  And that means playing a "subjective" game, for there is no mechanical bet placement method that will ever succeed to produce A.) a sufficient strike rate percentage, and B.) a limited variance.  Only the serious player, with full experience and knowledge of this most compelling shoe game, stands any real chance for long term success as far as their bet placements are concerned.

And, lastly, Money-Management is the second of those efforts.  And that means learning when and when not might be the best time to place their bet (read: a viable "no-bet" option), combined with a bet sizing strategy that takes into account their own personal variance statistics.

I mostly flat bet.  Absolutely to best MM method around for any serious player....flat betting.  Should the need arise (and it does not, too often...if it did, something is amiss in my play), I'll adjust those bet sizes upward, but, even then, minimally.  Patience is the word of the day.  So some sessions might take twice as long as others, so what?  Better to pay the price of time than the price of our bankroll.

It is a huge mistake, IMHO, to cast all Baccarat players under the same light, as I am certain that not all Baccarat players approach this game with best intentions over the longer term.  And, lacking that longer term mentality, then each and every hand dealt, each and every shoe, and each and every session becomes much too imperative, much too stress-filled.  No way to live at the Bac table, IMHO.

Stay well, my friends.

Ah yes.  IOW, Gr8 you got to know when to fold and when to holdem.  Doesn't that about sum up your message? I get it.  Zen Baccarat.  Nice!

Oh . . . wait.  You keep meticulous records you say.  How many bets per shoe on average and what's your w/l %?  I'm not trying to pigeon hole you here.  Seriously would like to know some documented facts.

[gr8player]

Sure, Jimske:

My average bets placed per shoe will vary greatly due both to my exit/entry points and the composition of the results, but, to put a number on it, it'd be just under 20 bets per shoe.

Much more important, IMHO, are my 53.5% strike rates and the relatively-tight variances that go hand-in-hand with a positive bet selection process.

Stay well.

[Dilon]

Hi GR8!

What  biggest drawdown was  according your experience with 53,5% winrate?

Cheers.

[Jimske]

Sure, Jimske:

My average bets placed per shoe will vary greatly due both to my exit/entry points and the composition of the results, but, to put a number on it, it'd be just under 20 bets per shoe.

Much more important, IMHO, are my 53.5% strike rates and the relatively-tight variances that go hand-in-hand with a positive bet selection process.

Stay well.

Thank you Gr8.  Nice of you to put some "meat" to a post.  Averages don't vary - they're averages.  No they don't tell the whole story but Mean and Medians are real important when analyzing performance, IMO.

I assume the 53.3% is gross w/l?  That beats my 52.7%.  I bet about 50 hands per shoe on average.

Tight variance?  I assume that essentially means that you have reduced LIAR from their expected values.  Yes, unless we do that we end up with the same w/l expectation.

J

[gr8player]

That is exactly what it means.....loss reduction, either consecutive or otherwise.

After all is said and done, this game becomes all about bet-size manipulation.  Those that can manage to control their bet sizes, by whatever means at their disposal, will have the best of it at this game, assuming one has the ability to put their chips into the correct circle more often than not (read: positive bet selection process).

That's it.  There's your grail.  Patient, disciplined play with conservative money management.  Sprinkled with very strict exit strategies (either win OR loss), and you're the toughest out in the joint.

(Dilon, I didn't mean to gloss over your inquiry:  My drawdowns are rather limited; I won't allow anything over ten base units.)

Stay well.

[super6]

That is exactly what it means.....loss reduction, either consecutive or otherwise.

After all is said and done, this game becomes all about bet-size manipulation.  Those that can manage to control their bet sizes, by whatever means at their disposal, will have the best of it at this game, assuming one has the ability to put their chips into the correct circle more often than not (read: positive bet selection process).

That's it.  There's your grail.  Patient, disciplined play with conservative money management.  Sprinkled with very strict exit strategies (either win OR loss), and you're the toughest out in the joint.

(Dilon, I didn't mean to gloss over your inquiry:  My drawdowns are rather limited; I won't allow anything over ten base units.)

Stay well.

Hi Gr8,
I have read many of your posts and have great admiration for your knowledge and foresight on the game of baccarat. Would you obliged to play a game or 2 in simulation from one of the online casinos and then post the results here and explained your thought process on how you bet. This would immensely help the newbies like me in tapping and seeing your approach on how to win in this game. It is a tough game to beat, so it would be very very helpful if we can be guided by an experienced player like you to share your method. Thank you in advance

[gr8player]

Hello, Super6, and thank you for your kind words.

But, as to your request, I'm afraid my playing "a game or 2 in simulation" cannot possibly suffice to enumerate my overall Baccarat methodology.  It would do both me and you a great disservice, IMHO.

Look, Super6, let me see if I can break this all down for you:

I am gr8player.  I've been on a few of these boards over the years, and I've pretty much espoused the same theories/methodologies regarding the playing of this game over those years, and so my message has resonated well with countless other members as well.  So requests such as yours, both publicly and privately, are nothing new to me.  I fulfill what I can, trying to explain and expound on my Baccarat approaches and plays as best I'm able to here on the internet.

But, know this, Super6:  This is, after all, the internet. I, or anyone else for that matter, can do or say anything.  So it then becomes the responsibility of the reader to ascertain the truth; to figure out which members/posters are real, if you will, as opposed to those that are fake.

And the same is true of my play.  One must learn to figure out, for themselves, what I am trying to convey in my posts.  You see, Super6, I cannot sit down and do it for you, I cannot play for you. 

And that then becomes the very nature of my posts, as I always repeat pretty much the same theories and methodologies in each and every one of my posts,  I know what it takes the get the better of this game over the long term, and so I do the very best I can to expound on that point at each and every opportunity here on this board.  But, that all said, no one here will ever have a snowball's chance in heck to get the better of it until they come to the realization of the SUBJECTIVITY of it all. 

In other words, Super6, just because I can, doesn't mean you can.  Please (and I'm addressing everyone here, not just Super6) believe me when I tell you that this game is so much more subjective, so much more "mental", then most players could ever imagine.  Remember, the seriously committed Bac player is not looking to beat this hand or this shoe or this session; rather, the serious player takes a much broader long-term view of their Bac game.  And then my friends, only then, will you alleviate all of the undue pressure and stress that other lesser players might put on each bet they make.

So it becomes about patience and discipline and strike rates and variances and statistics.....and then, even with all of that at your disposal, now you've got to ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND PLAY.  What does that mean?:  EXPERIENCE.  And as it pertains to experience, definitely, the more the better.  Then, and only then, are you best equipped to play that SUBJECTIVE game I am speaking of, where your bet placements and bet sizes and entry/exit strategies are all lined up with your best long-term interests at heart.

I hope that will suffice to answer those that seek to learn more of me, and I will expound more about my preferred trends over the course of time (although, if one looked hard enough into this and a couple of other boards, you'd find I've posted plenty regarding my preferred plays); just please know that the very point of this post is to let most of you know that, frankly, my plays wouldn't do as much for you as you might expect.  Only you can do it for you.  Only your play could ever truly fit your play or your preferred playing style.  And that will happen only when you're in the RIGHT MIND to do it.  Ask yourself what you truly want from this game over the long term.  If it's "easy money", stop right there.  If it's "no work", stop right there.  If it's "a mechanical, non-thinking system", stop right there.

You want to learn more of what makes my Bac game work so well for me?  It's enumerated in almost every one of my posts over the years.....you'd need only search it out.  But, even then, my friends, you've got to "get your head into the game" (read: the correct mindset).

As always, I truly wish it all for you.  Stay well.

[NathanDetroit]

What I understand Gr8player is saying    that it is  all a matter of FEEL when  and what to bet and that cmmot  be  taught.That`s the way it is  with the game of Baccarat.

[super6]

Hi GR8
Thanks for replying.

I don't think your playing a game or 2 to show us will be a disservice to us here. Whether the game, shoe or hands you play for us, are a winner or a loser it really does'nt matter to me at least here, as I would like to really see and learn how and what you think when approaching the shoe at hand. The outcome is not important, but your thought process is what I like to learn, especially you're saying you do not have a particular method that you use, but by the years of experiece that you been playing and have developed a particular feel for the shoe.

It would really be a great contribution by you if you can do that. As this thread is a particular reference to the BAT method, I think it is immensely useful if you can come up with any counterplay to the BAT method by your own system, if any. Otherwise I see no point in your post of a very general nature, as I would take it as "air talk", which will fall more appropriately in another general thread or start a new thread. Thank you