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[Lung Yeh]

I bought 2 systems from Silverthorne or whatever their name including Greg. Printed out the forms and with full enthusiasm went and try them out. Promptly lost my bankroll for those occasions. doesn't work when there are plenty of doubles. that's my experience.

[Sputnik]

Lung Yeh you can not have or get an edge playing 50/50 game with negative expectation.
All combinations has the same probability.

Cheers

[Jimske]

Lung Yeh you can not have or get an edge playing 50/50 game with negative expectation.
All combinations has the same probability.

Cheers

Yup.  Further.  The occurrences of each cumulative pattern length are the same.  IOW. pp bb pp bb pp bb will ocurr at the same frequency as ppppppppppp  or p b p b p b p b p b p b  All 12 IAR.

[the7joker7]

I got my hands on the BAT PDF a few days ago and read through it. It was exciting, but I wouldn't bet a dime on it without stress testing it myself.

So I've written a computer program that simulates playing a baccarat table with a user utilizing the fletcher bet strategy. I wanted to see how the system held up over thousands of hands. I've spent the last day comparing my W/L chart to the system, trying to iron out any kinks and making sure the right decision is made in every hand.

I even made things a little easier on the program by only using player and banker, with no code for a tie yet, which SHOULD make the system work even better.

Seems like a dud. I've run dozens of simulations, even tinkering with the bankroll, and it seems to bust just as often as it produces. While it's POSSIBLE that my program doesn't follow the system right (I've attached a sample output of the program with 600 hands played, in the event any kind soul who knows this system well would like to look at it and tell me if I made a significant mistake), I suspect there's just no account for the randomness of the cards. But if anyone would like to peek at the program results, it's attached.

EDIT:

I've now programmed in a virtual eight deck shoe and simulated actual baccarat hands instead of just using a RNG. This of course includes ties now. As near as I can tell this should be as accurate a baccarat simulation as can be done virtually.

It's basically the same. I think I have successful sessions as often as unsuccessful ones. And most of the time the return isn't worth the time it would take to play all those hands. Just not much success, at least not enough.

My understanding of this system is that, given a 2 dollar base bet, you'd expect to be up around 20-30 dollars 14 times for every 1 time you bust and lose 90-150 dollars, which makes the system very profitable, but I'm seeing numbers a lot closer to 6 wins for every 1 bust, which doesn't go anywhere.

Attaching a new file with sample results from the most recent program iteration.

[21 Aces]

I got my hands on the BAT PDF a few days ago and read through it. It was exciting, but I wouldn't bet a dime on it without stress testing it myself.

This may lead nowhere, but if you can assess where the system is failing and combine it with your own knowledge, you may build a 2.0 that's worth playing with.  Some systems are such stuff that you are essentially better off starting with your own knowledge only.

[the7joker7]

This may lead nowhere, but if you can assess where the system is failing and combine it with your own knowledge, you may build a 2.0 that's worth playing with.  Some systems are such stuff that you are essentially better off starting with your own knowledge only.

I was thinking about that. Although I must say that it seems like the problem is that I inevitably go on losing streaks of 9 straight hands, or 10 out of 11, or something like that...don't know what adjustments I could make to avoid those.

[21 Aces]

Right now I am working with a shoe stop loss.  Some shoes may just be too difficult.

[Carlitos]

....if you have some diffecult shoes 21Aces, i Always like to look at them.... can you post them in anyway....??
Ps, are they from an real live casino or from an Online casino?



Carlitos 

[carlog12345]

Hi guys,

I just joined this great forum. This post has been a while. I am looking for a baccarat betting strategy and I found this post of bmare at google search. I am new to baccarat and I only followed patterns and mostly guessing. Good thing, I found this thread. Yeah, Greg's betting placement is working for me 3 days in a row now and its 2017. I just started with $100 because Im just practising. I am playing with real money using casino online (live) and not software. I knew it was live because when I said "hi" in the chat box, the dealer said "hi" too and mentioned my name.

I bet only $1 that's why I don't use his attack strategy. For the betting amount I stick with $1 until I reach my $7 target/day and stop playing. Whenever I lose I follow his retrenchment method and bet 2,3,5,813. 13 is my maximum stop loss. If I reached 13, either win or lose I will stop playing for the day. Good thing my max bet that I had is $8 but itsonly been 3days. Im still new to baccarat that's why I will stick with this betting placement and betting amount. Reaching my target of $7 take me only 15 minutes.

For money management, I had assumed for a month to reach my target of 7 units in 26 days and lose at least once a week (six straight in a row) from -1,-2,-3,-5,-8, -13 (-32units) which has a probability of 1:64 of chance that it may happen. I only play once a day.  So 7x26 - 4x32 = 54 units.  54 units in a month estimated winning is very big even 25%. Unlike trading with Forex or Binary. I will post my actual result after a month because its just a rough estimate. Any comment will be helpful to me since Im a newbie.

[21 Aces]

....if you have some diffecult shoes 21Aces, i Always like to look at them.... can you post them in anyway....??
Ps, are they from an real live casino or from an Online casino?



Carlitos 

Just now saw this.  They would be from off-line/ live.  I have taken a lot of notes from time to time, but lately I have not been doing so.

[johnpebenito]

I will try this tomorrow..Monday is my schedule to play wish me luck on this system
I tried it online and its good I think once your up 10X or 15X of your trigger bet you have to stand up and quit.
I played a lot of shoes online and in practice and its realloy holding up its very fast to reach 10X of your trigger bet
but I noticed only one time it reached 20X and the money was sucked in again ... so better when your up 10X of your trigger bet
you have to quit or transfer to another table. just my two cents..first time I will try tomorrow
btw I'm from manila so ill be playing in okada..

[super6]

I will try this tomorrow..Monday is my schedule to play wish me luck on this system
I tried it online and its good I think once your up 10X or 15X of your trigger bet you have to stand up and quit.
I played a lot of shoes online and in practice and its realloy holding up its very fast to reach 10X of your trigger bet
but I noticed only one time it reached 20X and the money was sucked in again ... so better when your up 10X of your trigger bet
you have to quit or transfer to another table. just my two cents..first time I will try tomorrow
btw I'm from manila so ill be playing in okada..

Hi john... I am based in Philiipines. I am very familiar with this system.Perhaps we can meet in Manila casinos and share information on this. Please send me private email mliew118@yahoo.com

[johnpebenito]

Hi john... I am based in Philiipines. I am very familiar with this system.Perhaps we can meet in Manila casinos and share information on this. Please send me private email mliew118@yahoo.com

yo bro! I dropped u an email..viber me or WhatsApp maybe we can play together one of these days lets have a killing lol
btw hows this system holdin up in landbase casinos? will try it for the first time later in okada manila, will be there around 2 or 3pm
if u have time later drop by..thanks man nice to have sumone from manila here in this forum. btw where you from originally? are you Filipino? or no? if not where u from originally? I am Filipino but I recently just came back here in Manila I was based in the UAE for 5 years and there is no Gambling there.
so glad to be back I realized and appreciate FREEDOM is..lol  since in UAE I can't act like this lol..
anyway, came back last week. played twice won 750usd on my first game after 5 years, and lose it back the next day lol
lost 500 the next day at least I still have a 250 usd profit..lets see how this system goes later..im excited lol

[edmelg]

Hi john... I am based in Philiipines. I am very familiar with this system.Perhaps we can meet in Manila casinos and share information on this. Please send me private email mliew118@yahoo.com

hello im from philippines also.

[carlog12345]

yo bro! I dropped u an email..viber me or WhatsApp maybe we can play together one of these days lets have a killing lol
btw hows this system holdin up in landbase casinos? will try it for the first time later in okada manila, will be there around 2 or 3pm
if u have time later drop by..thanks man nice to have sumone from manila here in this forum. btw where you from originally? are you Filipino? or no? if not where u from originally? I am Filipino but I recently just came back here in Manila I was based in the UAE for 5 years and there is no Gambling there.
so glad to be back I realized and appreciate FREEDOM is..lol  since in UAE I can't act like this lol..
anyway, came back last week. played twice won 750usd on my first game after 5 years, and lose it back the next day lol
lost 500 the next day at least I still have a 250 usd profit..lets see how this system goes later..im excited lol

Hello kabayans. Im from Philippines also but I am based in UAE. I play online live casino. I use royal panda and the site is not blocked here.