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[Jimske]

Almost called it and left right away as within the first few hands of at least 3 or 4 tables a high payout hit right in my face.  Scored one on the day.  The psychological warfare value of these bets is very high.  Don't be lazy.  Even if you play $1, play.

Please get off of it.  I wonder if anyone thinks "they are good at it."  I saw a guy a few weeks ago hit a $100 30:1 in the first few hands of a shoe; very next hand hit it for $50.00.  He got up and left.  Gee, I guess he knew something.  Yeah, he did.  He knows it is a house bet and took his money and ran! LOL  When they hit they hit and they usually don't.  That's why the bet is offered.

The only decent point you made was using it as a hedge bet.  Same with the O on roulette.  I use it as a hedge bet occasionally when I have a larger than usual bet out and have hit it a few times.  I keep the % of my base bet low - like 10 or 15%.  I also try to offset my commission with it for fun.  Does it work out?  Who knows?  Probably not if you keep records on it - I don't.  Other than that it is NOT a good bet and even then itlr if you got a winning method best not to get sucked into this sucker bet.  Just play your game.

Enough with the fancy pics - they don't help.

[marinetech]

I'm sorry your play sucks Jim so you have to justify it around here.  I would love to play head to head against some of you rocket quants.  After I am finished wiping you up and down the tables I will even sign your casino math books.

The fact that many of you piss on the great aspects of the game and can not even comprehend anything beyond some stupid house edge statistics that have near zero bearing on how people play tells me two things:
- You are boring as F.
- You lose

Seriously, don't quit your day job boring people to death with your worthless equations and view on the game.  In fact, I doubt some you even play at all.  You just bore people to death with the ridiculous notion that at one day and time, YOU HAVE ARRIVED!  You have arrived at the notorious point called 'In the long run'!  That is when all casinos break out their XXX super secret shuffle machine and black op's death dealers for whichever table you may happen to be at AND YOU LOSE!

LMAO! You again talking to yourself! LOL. you are one funny guy/gal. Shouldnt you be running that big business you own instead of posting fairy tale pics all day every day?

Tell ya what kid, you scrape together 5k (make it worth my time) and I will meet you at foxwoods or mohegan sun and we can play a shoe and the winner gets 5k. Hows that? Ball is in your court. A man with a business and the knowledge you have of the game, this should be EASY for you to win. Let me know....

[marinetech]

lol, that's what I figured. You wouldn't know about comps because u play 1-5 dollars a hand and they don't comp for that. keep on dreamin man, that's all you will ever be. a dreamer..change your name to dreamer, it suits you!

[Jimske]

I'm sorry your play sucks Jim so you have to justify it around here.  I would love to play head to head against some of you rocket quants.  After I am finished wiping you up and down the tables I will even sign your casino math books.

The fact that many of you piss on the great aspects of the game and can not even comprehend anything beyond some stupid house edge statistics that have near zero bearing on how people play tells me two things:
- You are boring as F.
- You lose

Seriously, don't quit your day job boring people to death with your worthless equations and view on the game.  In fact, I doubt some you even play at all.  You just bore people to death with the ridiculous notion that at one day and time, YOU HAVE ARRIVED!  You have arrived at the notorious point called 'In the long run'!  That is when all casinos break out their XXX super secret shuffle machine and black op's death dealers for whichever table you may happen to be at AND YOU LOSE!

"great aspects of the game" LMAO.  You are hilarious!  It's a boring game that spits out random numbers.  You can romanticize and anthropomorphise it all you want to make it an exciting past time but to fulfill your entertainment needs if you want.  In doing so you do add entertainment value here so keep posting.  Nobody responding but I'm pretty sure some enjoy the read.

J

P.S.  I don't have a day job.

[AsymBacGuy]

Ok, this post seems to be made in the form of a casino advertising campaign.

Still we cannot forget that such bets are the only mathematically beatable options the game offers.
Look for "advanced advantage play" book by Eliot Jacobsen. It costs $49 or something like that.
The BP bets cannot be beaten mathematically.  No way to do that.
We could raise our winning probability on the illusion that we are able to control some outcomes in some way. Waiting and choosing some very deviated situations as the start of our betting could be an option, but it's a risky move having no guarantees to succeed itlr.

A practical example is waiting a streak of, let's say, 11 Player then betting Banker just one time per each of those streak.
Itlr the amount won on such B bets tend to be higher than the negative 0.95-1 payment, as
P11 / P11+ is greater than P2 / P2+, etc.
Even if such betting would be EV+ (and it can't be mathematically) it's of no practical use.

The more we're restraining our field of action after a given deviation, the better SHOULD be our results, especially if adopting a decent multilayered MM.

Another tool we could use is spotting the exact position of some events.
Since the game is asymmetrical, we know that some distributions will take place asymmetrically, meaning that we'll get a sort of equilibrium only on the very long term and some events will be unequal anyway as unproportionally distributed for math reasons.
Now we're utilizing an opposite way of thinking that is wagering toward a deviation up to a point and not against it.

Imo, the more we are precise the better will be our results.

Yet, there's no guarantee to be long term winners.

Counting side bets we will.

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[AsymBacGuy]

It is advertising because once you get good enough on side (Bank/ Player) you should start allocating a small percent to high payout bets.  Doesn't have to be all the time.  Players really need to get to $25/ hand +, but $50 or more is awesome because many midi tables have $50 minimum AND more importantly $3-$5 + placed on a high payout bet starts to mean something when it hits.  Your performance with Bank/ Player bets should finance this juice action so even if you don't strike successfully, you are still clipping it on Bank/ Player wins.

Yep.
Besides that, a side bets bettor (not registering the cards dealt) is perceived by the house as an action player.
And action players are never disliked by the casinos.

as.

[AsymBacGuy]

The house makes more than enough on high payout bet losses to cover wins because so many players bet on them too aggressively.  Just like the house makes more than enough on players betting too aggressively in general two have one ounce of concern about winning players.

There is a massive psychological warfare aspect to high payout bets which all players should love, love, love.  You sit there and just play Bank/ Player and are doing well and a big player just strikes Dragon for 3 or 4 large +.   And you think to yourself WTH?  I saw a 12 large strike the other day, but these are accomplished skilled players of size. 

For it is the house that provides the opportunity unlike so many aspects of our society where there is little to none.

Dealers and floor management have a strong interest in high payout bet wins as they win when players win via gratuity and it is customary to tip on these wins for sure.

Perfect analysis.

as.

[alrelax]

I had $160 on the Fortune a couple months ago and it hit.  My buddy who owns a few restaurants nearby had $800 ( he was throwing up a black chip a few times earlier and one purple, then when it hit he had the $800 up) on it.  At this particular casino you can wager $5 to 1,000 on Fortunes and Tie bets.  I might risk four hundred throughout the shoe at $25 or $50 wager each.  He will normally throw up a black chip or so a few times a shoe.  What happened was about 6 or 7 hands straight, without any Fortunes so far the shoe, with every hand being 2 monkeys for the Players and 2 monkeys for the Bankers or a total of zero with the first 2 Banker cards and then every third card being a 6 or an 8, etc., and the Banker winning anyways.  So we started to wager real heavy on the Fortune. Nice memory.   

[alrelax]

Please get off of it.  I wonder if anyone thinks "they are good at it."  I saw a guy a few weeks ago hit a $100 30:1 in the first few hands of a shoe; very next hand hit it for $50.00.  He got up and left.  Gee, I guess he knew something.  Yeah, he did.  He knows it is a house bet and took his money and ran! LOL  When they hit they hit and they usually don't.  That's why the bet is offered.

The only decent point you made was using it as a hedge bet.  Same with the O on roulette.  I use it as a hedge bet occasionally when I have a larger than usual bet out and have hit it a few times.  I keep the % of my base bet low - like 10 or 15%.  I also try to offset my commission with it for fun.  Does it work out?  Who knows?  Probably not if you keep records on it - I don't.  Other than that it is NOT a good bet and even then itlr if you got a winning method best not to get sucked into this sucker bet.  Just play your game.

Enough with the fancy pics - they don't help.

J,

Is right on, spot on 100%.  It is a suck-rear end wager!  No way to gauge or tell, even more so than random.  Seen 7 or 8 in one shoe, seen 4 back to back-every single one.  But that is not the norm and they are truly 'whenever'.  Bad wagers.  Seen the majority of shoes at 1 or 2 maybe, sometimes none.  But say even at 1 or 2 a shoe, 80 hands, hence the 40:1 in the Midwest on the Fortune.  Side bet with extra change if you are up for the 'luck' factor and nothing else. Plain and simple.  Anything else is a dream.