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[ADulay]

All,

  OK, so I take a week or so off and come back here to some kind of bizarre wasteland of silly threats, outlandish, undocumented claims and all kind of non-sense between supposedly adult members of the gambling community.

  Enough of this.

  If Stephen (who is currently moderated) wishes to write about his system play, he can do that without undue pressure from the other readers.  However, as with any system seller, he does have to produce some valid results or will have to suffer the consequences that any other system seller would face when confronted with valid questions.

  The questions should be system based and not another "beotch slap" of each other.

  Free advertising is all well and good but continued spamming by new (and suspect) accounts will not be tolerated any longer.  EVERYONE is put on notice on this account.

  If you absolutely love a published system, it takes more that just spouting off about it AS A NEW MEMBER to gain any credibility.   Without any supporting data, the claims are just that, wild claims for advertising purposes.   Stop doing that.

  The various childish rebuttals and threats won't go more than a post or two before being moderated or removed.  This is an intelligent gambling forum and will not be dragged down into some kind of school yard bully pulpit.

  The moderators have been very lenient on a lot of things while the entire Tabone Trilogy has been developing.   Members like him come and go but he has staying power, at least for now.  Run for very long outside of the rules and anyone can get axed.   The moderators take a lot of flack but attempt to keep this forum on "high ground".  Do not make us pull our trump cards to make it all work.

  It's Saturday and I need to get a warm up session in this afternoon at the range as I'm preparing to classify for the International Revolver Championships in November.  When I log back in tonight, I expect to see civil discussion or NO discussion at all.   Speak and act like adults or you will be treated like children.

  AD 

[VLS]

Welcome back!

[stephen tabone]

All,

  OK, so I take a week or so off and come back here to some kind of bizarre wasteland of silly threats, outlandish, undocumented claims and all kind of non-sense between supposedly adult members of the gambling community.

  Enough of this.

  If Stephen (who is currently moderated) wishes to write about his system play, he can do that without undue pressure from the other readers.  However, as with any system seller, he does have to produce some valid results or will have to suffer the consequences that any other system seller would face when confronted with valid questions.

  The questions should be system based and not another "beotch slap" of each other.

  Free advertising is all well and good but continued spamming by new (and suspect) accounts will not be tolerated any longer.  EVERYONE is put on notice on this account.

  If you absolutely love a published system, it takes more that just spouting off about it AS A NEW MEMBER to gain any credibility.   Without any supporting data, the claims are just that, wild claims for advertising purposes.   Stop doing that.

  The various childish rebuttals and threats won't go more than a post or two before being moderated or removed.  This is an intelligent gambling forum and will not be dragged down into some kind of school yard bully pulpit.

  The moderators have been very lenient on a lot of things while the entire Tabone Trilogy has been developing.   Members like him come and go but he has staying power, at least for now.  Run for very long outside of the rules and anyone can get axed.   The moderators take a lot of flack but attempt to keep this forum on "high ground".  Do not make us pull our trump cards to make it all work.

  It's Saturday and I need to get a warm up session in this afternoon at the range as I'm preparing to classify for the International Revolver Championships in November.  When I log back in tonight, I expect to see civil discussion or NO discussion at all.   Speak and act like adults or you will be treated like children.

  AD 

I would like to make a statement if I may.

I had not been on this forum for weeks. I had not read posts on this forum for weeks. I like this forum but I had not engaged on this forum after what occurred some weeks ago.

A certain member kept on referring to me, writing bad things about me. I tried to defend myself but that member continued to cause trouble.

I was asked not to post on his board / threads and though he continued to write a number of untruths about me, and insult me, I stayed away from his blog. Though I stayed away from his blog he continued to insult me and write untruths. My hands were tied and I had to put up with being aware of his posts about me which were all designed to try and upset me and to try to damage me.

Then there was a conflict again on another boards. That member complained about me and I was banned as a sponsor and also moderated. But no action was taken against that member even though I had clearly set out the posts that contained rule breaking content. In fact my complaint was censored and removed. It was ignored. So the member's posts about me remained and even though I had left the forum that member continued to insult me for weeks.

Other members had been waiting for my 3.0 book. Many members from this forum emailed me a number of times asking about that book. Yet I did not return to this forum since there was no point.

Then as my book was published I received a number of emails informing me that that member was writing about me moreover namely because other members were asking about one of my books. That member became very vindictive and resumed his insults despite that fact that I still had not used the forum. Again his posts remained, nothing he wrote was removed despite forum rules being broken and he had not been moderated.

Then I learn that new members were supporting my work. I do not know who these members are but I read that those members are post from me. Well that could not be possible because firstly I had been away travelling. Secondly the posts span day/night and are from a number of members. Thirdly I had demonstrated my ability to keep away from the forum after what had occurred weeks ago.

I do not know who these members are, if it's someone, or a number of people pretending to be fans or they are really fans or are from a member who is playing psychological games.

Personally I don't need to be on this forum or any forum to promote my books or ask any others to promote my books. But I did join initially to engage in debate with members. This was occurring until a certain member stared the trouble.

I consider the contents of my system books as a serious endeavour to combat and win the games I write about. Yes they are my opinions, but they are rule based systems, logical instructions therefore I am not selling scams, dreams or magic etc. I receive emails from people all the time saying those systems work for them. While they may not work for everyone for whatever reason/s I do not know; there can be many factors the fact is they are nevertheless understanding, well thought through approaches to trying to win when playing baccarat. Win can mean walking with a few units.

I understand that many people do not believe in any kind of system and I had written extensively about this in my 2.1 book. Of course people have the right to believe in whatever they want to believe in. However when members; certain members attack casino system authors as myself on a gambling forum this is where the true conflict rests.

Some people love my books and some hate them, fair enough.
Some people don't believe in systems while others do.
It's interesting and strange how the people that hate by books have either not read them, read them but not understood some aspects, or have found that it makes them feel good to join other system author haters and engage in malice of various kinds.

I understand too that there are some non sponsor members who promote their own book/s and workshops and websites etc but who have also attacked my books. This is perplexing but this is where for me the issue is. They try to drive away credible rule based system authors as myself while promoting their own whatever material as non sponsors. And to support their cause they use the likes of the member who caused the conflict with me. And he in turn has his own clan of supporters that take it upon themselves to join in as if they believe that he and they are justified.

I don't want to engage in such complex, perplexing mind games. This is why I have remained away from this forum. I can see clearly that another issue is present and that is that a certain member had set upon me because he felt that I was taking away the limelight from him. That I was getting all of the attention and he was losing attention.

Well in the end he got what he wanted. He got full control over this forum and a free run of it to continue to post insulting untruths without any consequences for him. Even moderators failed to take action against him, as I wrote despite him breaking forum rules.  Thus I think this in and of itself sums up the way this forum operates. This is why I do not wish to be part of it and this is why I have kept away.

[esoito]

Welcome back, Adulay -- bow legs 'n' all !!  Or perhaps you rode side-saddle...lol

VERY glad you're back.  Sorry about the chaos you've returned to but it's been a bit of a tightrope between acting too soon, versus providing a bit of slack.

And then whilst I'm asleep, the mice come out and play and strew nastiness all over the place.

Anyway, I've locked a couple of threads, and put a couple on the Watch List.

Hopefully the forum will soon regain equilibrium.

[greeneclipse]

I would like to make a statement if I may.

I had not been on this forum for weeks. I had not read posts on this forum for weeks. I like this forum but I had not engaged on this forum after what occurred some weeks ago.

A certain member kept on referring to me, writing bad things about me. I tried to defend myself but that member continued to cause trouble.

I was asked not to post on his board / threads and though he continued to write a number of untruths about me, and insult me, I stayed away from his blog. Though I stayed away from his blog he continued to insult me and write untruths. My hands were tied and I had to put up with being aware of his posts about me which were all designed to try and upset me and to try to damage me.

Then there was a conflict again on another boards. That member complained about me and I was banned as a sponsor and also moderated. But no action was taken against that member even though I had clearly set out the posts that contained rule breaking content. In fact my complaint was censored and removed. It was ignored. So the member's posts about me remained and even though I had left the forum that member continued to insult me for weeks.

Other members had been waiting for my 3.0 book. Many members from this forum emailed me a number of times asking about that book. Yet I did not return to this forum since there was no point.

Then as my book was published I received a number of emails informing me that that member was writing about me moreover namely because other members were asking about one of my books. That member became very vindictive and resumed his insults despite that fact that I still had not used the forum. Again his posts remained, nothing he wrote was removed despite forum rules being broken and he had not been moderated.

Then I learn that new members were supporting my work. I do not know who these members are but I read that those members are post from me. Well that could not be possible because firstly I had been away travelling. Secondly the posts span day/night and are from a number of members. Thirdly I had demonstrated my ability to keep away from the forum after what had occurred weeks ago.

I do not know who these members are, if it's someone, or a number of people pretending to be fans or they are really fans or are from a member who is playing psychological games.

Personally I don't need to be on this forum or any forum to promote my books or ask any others to promote my books. But I did join initially to engage in debate with members. This was occurring until a certain member stared the trouble.

I consider the contents of my system books as a serious endeavour to combat and win the games I write about. Yes they are my opinions, but they are rule based systems, logical instructions therefore I am not selling scams, dreams or magic etc. I receive emails from people all the time saying those systems work for them. While they may not work for everyone for whatever reason/s I do not know; there can be many factors the fact is they are nevertheless understanding, well thought through approaches to trying to win when playing baccarat. Win can mean walking with a few units.

I understand that many people do not believe in any kind of system and I had written extensively about this in my 2.1 book. Of course people have the right to believe in whatever they want to believe in. However when members; certain members attack casino system authors as myself on a gambling forum this is where the true conflict rests.

Some people love my books and some hate them, fair enough.
Some people don't believe in systems while others do.
It's interesting and strange how the people that hate by books have either not read them, read them but not understood some aspects, or have found that it makes them feel good to join other system author haters and engage in malice of various kinds.

I understand too that there are some non sponsor members who promote their own book/s and workshops and websites etc but who have also attacked my books. This is perplexing but this is where for me the issue is. They try to drive away credible rule based system authors as myself while promoting their own whatever material as non sponsors. And to support their cause they use the likes of the member who caused the conflict with me. And he in turn has his own clan of supporters that take it upon themselves to join in as if they believe that he and they are justified.

I don't want to engage in such complex, perplexing mind games. This is why I have remained away from this forum. I can see clearly that another issue is present and that is that a certain member had set upon me because he felt that I was taking away the limelight from him. That I was getting all of the attention and he was losing attention.

Well in the end he got what he wanted. He got full control over this forum and a free run of it to continue to post insulting untruths without any consequences for him. Even moderators failed to take action against him, as I wrote despite him breaking forum rules.  Thus I think this in and of itself sums up the way this forum operates. This is why I do not wish to be part of it and this is why I have kept away.

Hey Stephen, I read your latest book, The Ultimate Golden Secret Baccarat Winning Strategy 3.0. It's a great book, clever system the finest I've ever read on Baccarat.

I read on Goodreads that you offered author signed copy. When you write your next book please can you let me know if you do the same offer on Goodreads again because I'd like to enter.

I hope you don't leave the forum but I read in your book about your new site I clicked on and saw on there that a forum is to follow. I'll send you a PM with my email address if you could please let me know when your forum is up and running.

Thanks.

By the way I won 400 using your system the other day.

[ADulay]

Hey Stephen, I read your latest book, The Ultimate Golden Secret Baccarat Winning Strategy 3.0. It's a great book, clever system the finest I've ever read on Baccarat.

I read on Goodreads that you offered author signed copy. When you write your next book please can you let me know if you do the same offer on Goodreads again because I'd like to enter.

I hope you don't leave the forum but I read in your book about your new site I clicked on and saw on there that a forum is to follow. I'll send you a PM with my email address if you could please let me know when your forum is up and running.

Thanks.

By the way I won 400 using your system the other day.

Oh please.

Let me reiterate an earlier statement:

" If you absolutely love a published system, it takes more that just spouting off about it AS A NEW MEMBER to gain any credibility.   Without any supporting data, the claims are just that, wild claims for advertising purposes.   Stop doing that."

Get it?

  AD

[Garfield]

@ free eclipse : About your question, my bad. I miss-typed it. It should be books.