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[Wewin2222]

If I get 100 people with 100 replies in the next 24 hours, I want a degree in Baccarat. I will share my system step by step. I will also teach you how I have learned to read the cards. I will never offer this again.

Wewin2222

[soxfan]

Time for the Guinness and cashew, hey hey.

[brokerny]

Spam or scam?

[Wewin2222]

It's ok, I will not get the 100 post and my secrets I will take to my grave. People lose because they are not willing to put the work in to win. I was playing Baccarat yesterday and it had gone 8 Banks in a row. I told the entire table the next hand would be a natural 9 Player. They would not listen because it was running and they lost big money. I was the only one who won. How did I know? I knew what the count was! Every casino has a card count and theywould cringe if they knew thought you knew that. How did I learn this, I took the time to document every card one by one that was delt and I spent time studying the cards, yes I have spent a lot of time studying!

Have you every considered how many ways you can make a 9 in Baccarat. I have and for example you can have a 9-0, 8-1, 7-2, 6-3, 5-4 which I will call the conventional way. You have unconventional ways which requires 3 cards. Have you studied this and figured what happens when these cards appear in a shoe. I have and I undressed the casino using my work ethic to know what they are doing. I will not share my secrets and I will continue to win while others continue to lose.

Wewin2222

[brokerny]

Now I am convinced, it's a spam scam! I don't care how great a card counter anyone is. There is NO WAY to know what cards will come out. Card counting will greatly give you a better percentage of knowing what card will come out next but NO WAY can it help you accurately predict the actual card. If that was the case, you would be a gazillionaire and you wouldn't even be posting on this site cuz you would care less about us mere mortals.

[Patience777]

What?  You did not use a 1-3-2-6 positive progression?

A four step positive progression like that  is only a 16 to 1 shot against you. LOL

[RouletteGhost]

my secrets I will take to my grave. People lose because they are not willing to put the work in to win.

Ladies and gentleman

The above quote  is a prime example of an internet forum attention whore

What you do with a post like this is:

1) stop reading after the phrase I quoted
2) print thread out and throw it in your garbage pale

NEXT

[Garfield]

Now I am convinced, it's a spam scam!

Come on bro! Give this guy a chance. It is not he's selling anything. Beside so many player out there need a revelation!

Keep posting WeWin. I believe great power come with great responbility ! Like what uncle ben told peter.

Ladies and gentleman

The above quote  is a prime example of an internet forum attention whore

What you do with a post like this is:

1) stop reading after the phrase I quoted
2) print thread out and throw it in your garbage pale

NEXT

No don't be so hard on him! This is a free forum and he's only trying to share his knowledge. Such a knowledge would be a waste if it is not published and taken to the grave.

[Wewin2222]

There is an exception, however: a group known as the Tran Organization. Based out of San Diego, the group stole more than $7 million from 19 casinos across the country using techniques even Hollywood hadn't thought of.

It started simply enough. In 2002, a dealer at San Diego's Sycuan Casino was caught performing what is known as a false shuffle. The false shuffle is an old sleight-of-hand trick in which a dealer appears to wash and shuffle a deck of cards. In reality, the dealer actually protects a large portion of the cards and keeps them in the order in which they were dealt. That way, players at the table who were watching and tracking the order the cards came out will know exactly how to bet when that deck, or slug, of cards comes back into play.

"No one is the wiser if you don't know what you're looking for," Pete Casey, special agent for the FBI in San Diego, told "20/20" co-anchor Chris Cuomo.

According to Casey, the lead agent on the case, the dealer was caught helping several people win a few hundred dollars at the table. She was fired, and the situation was brought to the FBI's attention and chalked up as an isolated incident. What Casey didn't realize at the time was that the dealer was doing more than just stealing, she was gathering intelligence.


"She was researching it, definitely. Figuring out what [were] the best angles to hold her hands, reviewing the different protocols within her own casino," Casey said.

According to Casey, the woman was actually working for an unlikely criminal mastermind -- Phuong "Pai Gow John" Truong.

Truong, a former casino employee, was known as little more than an avid gambler and drifter in the local Vietnamese community. But Truong was ready to go big time. According to Casey, Truong devised a plan: recruit dealers from various casinos willing to learn how to conduct and perform a false shuffle during a card game, and to cash in after that.

After the dealer was fired from Sycuan, Truong took what the group learned and moved with his wife, Van Tran, and about 15 members of her family north to the Cache Creek Casino outside Sacramento, Calif.

With a handful of dealers willing to go in on it with them, Truong had teams rotating on mini-baccarat tables day and night at Cache Creek. The game suited their method because in mini-baccarat a player is allowed to write down what cards have been dealt. Typically, it makes no difference when the cards are properly shuffled, but on a false shuffle the player has it all spelled out for them.

"They had it set up like a business, where they had a day shift, night shift and graveyard. They were pulling out $20,000-a-round of cheating," Casey said.

The crew stole $158,000 in the month of March 2003. That kind of money told the Tran Organization one thing.

"That means they were on it. They felt they knew exactly what they were doing, and they can never get caught," Casey said.

They spread out, sending teams to recruit dealers and scam casinos up the West Coast, into Canada and down through the Midwest.

"It's safe to say that if there's a casino in that state, they hit it," Casey said.

The Trans had two things going for them. They were able to conduct the scam in full view of the thousands of casino security cameras and, by the time a casino realized one of their tables had a huge loss, the crew would be gone.

"A lot of the casinos didn't realize what was happening to them in real time. They figured it out, maybe two, three weeks after they had left," said Casey.

By the time the crew arrived at Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut in 2005, its ranks had swelled to more than 40 people and it was averaging $50,000 every 10 minutes at the table.

It also had changed tactics. The group's members started cheating at blackjack, where the table limits are typically higher and the winnings bigger. In blackjack, however, a player isn't able to write down any of the cards, so the Trans went high-tech.

They used hidden microphones and a tracker -- a person watching the order the cards were being dealt -- would read the cards into the microphones while pretending to smoke a cigarette. On the other end of the line, someone would sit outside the casino with a specially designed computer program talking to the tracker, who was wearing a hidden ear piece. The computer program would read out when, and in what order, the cards would come back out in after the dealer had performed the false shuffle to the tracker.

The tracker would signal to the player at the table when the slug of cards was in play and use hand singles to let him know how to bet.

"Take a puff with one finger on, it says to make a bet. Take a puff with two fingers on the cigarette, that means to double down," Casey said.

Once again, the Trans looked to be unstoppable.

"They started pulling a lot more money off the tables in a shorter amount of time," Casey said.

While the FBI continued to play catch-up, the Tran scores started going through the roof, peaking at an incredible $868,000 at Resorts East in Chicago in October 2005.

But for all the slickness and expertise, the Tran gang, specifically its leader, Phuong Truong, would fall prey to a classic bad guy blunder: greed. Truong began shortchanging his dealers. Embittered, they happily became informants for the FBI. Eventually Truong and his top lieutenants were identified and put under surveillance.

"We got their travel records, their playing habits, all the currency transaction reports," Casey said.

On June 8, 2006, agents for the Mississippi Gaming Commission went undercover to meet with Truong. He thought they were dealers willing to work with him. In the undercover video of the meeting, Truong laid out his whole scheme.

"That was one of the best undercover videos I've ever seen," said Casey.

"I only need two guys to go in there with me and light up a cigarette and game over. That's it," Truong said in the video. "I can smoke my cigarette like this, then you already know where to bet, what to bet."

The final piece of evidence that federal investigators needed was capturing the entire scam on video. That happened weeks after Truong was filmed undercover when a tip came in that a portion of gang was headed back to the place where it all started, the Sycuan Casino. This time, the FBI and casino were ready.

With multiple cameras rolling, they watched as the group, led by one of the Tran Organization's most prolific trackers, Willy Tran, stole more than $20,000 in 20 minutes before he walked out.

With this treasure trove of video in hand, authorities finally moved in and Phuong Truong's house of cards collapsed.

By 2007, Truong and 46 of his confederates were indicted for racketeering, theft and money laundering. He pled guilty, was sentenced to 70 months in prison and had to forfeit and pay back millions to casinos and the government.

"They hit close to 19 casinos. They took in, what we could prove, around $7 million," Casey said.

[alrelax]

If you admire them or possible want to discuss business with them my wife has a couple phone numbers for Trans spouse as there is a distant relative there.  If the phones stayed on through her fed prison accommodations.  Lol.

[Wewin2222]

It's not that I admire him or anyone that was in his organization. I think it's kind of funny that he did something to the casinos that they do to people everyday. I have seen the casinos cheat more times than I can count. If I am winning and let's say for example that I'm looking for certain order of cards to appear before I bet table max or any sizable bet. If I see the casino do certain things for example: I was kicking their behind when they brought a clear container with cards in it, they gently took the cards out of the container and placed them inside the shuffler. However there was one problem with this, the shuffle machine wasn't making any noise, wow! I was sitting at the end of the table and I was listening to the cards being shuffled all night. I guess they got tired of getting there teeth kicked in and was going to try and remedy there problem before the night was over. The shuffle machine not making any noise was music to my ears. I knew I would be playing truly rigged game. It's was obvious to me that all I had to do was wager opposite of my previous wagers! They paid dearly because it worked like a charm!! If looks could kill I would be a dead man today!

Wewin2222

[brokerny]

Wewin, great stories you have and if you are truly winning at the game of baccarat, I am really happy for you. But you have totally been contradicting your story about how you can predict the cards coming out. You said you have documented the cards that were dealt and that you do the hard work in figuring out the outcome. Than you come out with the stories of how dealers don't shuffle at all or shuffle a small portion and you can read which is which and you know the exact hands coming out. Do you follow what Im saying here? You claim you have a great skill from hard work and ethic determining which cards will come out, but than you say that you can figure out if there's a fix in the shuffle. So which is it? or is it both? or is it just a smokeshow you're giving us?

[Wewin2222]

brokerny, I never said one time that I could predict the exact card or cards coming out of the shoe. You have tried to put those words in my mouth. People do this kind of stuff all the time when they want to discredit someone. You based that off me telling the table that after 8 Bankers the next hand would be a Natural 9 Player. I said based on the cards that had come out and through study that combination of cards the Player had won on a Natural 9 on every occasion. Did I know 100% for sure, NO! However based on my card study that is why I said what I did. I have already said to much and will not say anything more because of people always wanting to look at a gift horse in the mouth.

Wewin2222

[brokerny]

Wewin, I apologize for putting words in your mouth. But the way you told the story really made me feel like that was what you were trying to say cuz you backed up the story with your documenting and hard work. Like I already said, Im happy if you're making good or great money from this. It also just seemed a bit weird how you asked for a certain amount of replies in a certain amount of time, which I believe would be impossible. I just thought you came off the wrong way with that request. If you really have a winning ways, people usually keep it to themselves. I've been winning every day that I visit the casino for the last 3 months as long as I follow the original strategy. I swayed a few times and I got burnt TWICE. Since its been only 3 months using this strategy, I still have a bit longer before I can confidently say that I have a WINNING method. Even if this holds up till the end of the year, I will not be mentioning anything about my method on a forum or a blog. I like to be lowkey as most professional and successful players are.

[Wewin2222]

brokerny, you are absolutely right I did come off a little weird! However sometimes when I'm feeling good about myself and maybe had a little to much to drink it's not such a great idea to be posting messages. I will try to do better in the future.

Wewin2222