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[AsymBacGuy]

Soxfan,

There is a Chapter in Craig Greiner's classic ''The Future Gambler'' titled 'Symmetrical Patterns from Asymmetrical Relationships' for the dice table.

Craps was this guys main game and this was a pretty detailed way to win. There is only one full sized craps table from what I am aware of in my neck of the woods down in London.

I am only mentioning it because the title of the chapter reminds me of our own AsymBacGuy.

I will get around to studying it and post it up.

That's interesting!

as. 

[horus]

I will study it over the weekend Asym and give the lowdown on it sometime early next week.

I am in the in the middle of some research on 'hot numbers' at the moment. The first repeat on the 6th, 7th or 8th spin looks to be a good angle of attack according to the stats. I have gone off a previous idea where I waited for a number/s to hit twice before attacking them. Catching that first repeat can be profitable in a kind of rolling 6,7,8 spin framework.

[AsymBacGuy]

I will study it over the weekend Asym and give the lowdown on it sometime early next week.

I am in the in the middle of some research on 'hot numbers' at the moment. The first repeat on the 6th, 7th or 8th spin looks to be a good angle of attack according to the stats. I have gone off a previous idea where I waited for a number/s to hit twice before attacking them. Catching that first repeat can be profitable in a kind of rolling 6,7,8 spin framework.

as.

[Rolex-Watch]

Trust me, if there existed baccarat systems that actually did what Ellis say they do, I wouldn't leave the casino. Too ripe.

Keep the scammers hungry don't buy his stuff.

LOL, damn right.  The day one of these scammers produces the key to the kingdom of wealth, it ain't gonna be offered for sale at any price, because once you do that, you lose control of it. 

But rest assured, that day can never come, because as it's been proven over and over, mathematically it simply can't exist. 

The keys to winning are, in reverse order;

3 - A bet selection that shouldn't lose a series of bets too often.

2 - Self discipline and composure, experience of having your back-side in the chair at the table helps immensely.

1 - Solid foundation in money management and healthy bankroll, this game is all about money, plain and simple.  You're not so much interested in guessing which side will win next, rather you're there putting your money at risk in order to take some of theirs. Results of individual hands is not really that significant, but you can become seduced by it. 

[AsymBacGuy]

LOL, damn right.  The day one of these scammers produces the key to the kingdom of wealth, it ain't gonna be offered for sale at any price, because once you do that, you lose control of it. 

But rest assured, that day can never come, because as it's been proven over and over, mathematically it simply can't exist. 

Right.

as.

[Rolex-Watch]

Hard to argue with that reality.  Item 3 looks like a provable math problem one way or another.  I have always said (thought) If one can find a BS that reduces the LIAR from the expected then we've got the holy grail.

I have one that significantly reduces the LAIR's compared to 3 and 4 column template betting options.  4 times 4 LAIR on average per 8 shoes, you can play a few shoes and never see 4LAIR which is kind of neat when that happens, then you can get two in a single shoe, I had 3 in one shoe a few nights ago when playing on-line, which I thought was strange. I reckon the W v's L ratio is reduced (not really sure as I'm not into those sort of stats). 

However there is some work still to do, because I use two progressions to protect me from any shoe from hell, because you just never know...  So the first progression may have to handle 8LIAR because I continue to lose early placed bets. 

[soxfan]

Soxfan,

There is a Chapter in Craig Greiner's classic ''The Future Gambler'' titled 'Symmetrical Patterns from Asymmetrical Relationships' for the dice table.

Craps was this guys main game and this was a pretty detailed way to win. There is only one full sized craps table from what I am aware of in my neck of the woods down in London.

I am only mentioning it because the title of the chapter reminds me of our own AsymBacGuy.

I will get around to studying it and post it up. I like the Star Myself. It can be a forgiving progression at times.

Well, I hope that you post up the craps info from Future Gambler. As I recall the mongoose style is outlined in that book and a cat called the swami used that progression for years with good result, hey hey.

[Whiskeypete]

Well well well. Looks like Ellis scam 2hi doesn't work at all and now he is asking forum members to help he fix the problem after it doesn't work. And I'm sure he isn't refunding anyone their money....

[confused gambler]

Ellis has no shame. He has been doing this stuff for a long time. His U2Hi is just another version of his failed
"twister" system. The man is a crook.

FYI he advertises his U2Hi as averaging 6 units per shoe....no try 1/2 a unit a shoe. And that's with only a 100 shoe sample.

What a joke.

[Whiskeypete]

Yeah I heard it losses more shoes than it wins...maybe the people who paid for it will be able to fix it for him. Perhaps ADulay will be helping out too. I bet the OZCOOTER isn't around to help him either.

[Rolex-Watch]

For those that recall the defunct "BaccaratForums" web-site, may remember the copious number of times "our moderator" mentioned he won playing this or that Ellis system, when pressed for further information nothing was ever forthcoming, he was pulled up on it numerous times. 

Anybody posting a shoe, would receive the standard response from our moderator, twister/Nor/AOW made xx units from that shoe.  An insidious way to promote and direct desperate people to handing over $400 to join BTC to pay for Ellis's care so they could be part of the team to help fix the systems that didn't work.  As guilty as the rest of the scammers our seahog.