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[alrelax]

You obviously do not play so

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Who are you talking/directing your anger to? 

[Nickmsi]

Hi Mark . . .

"My definition of 'catch' is to win within a series of bets"

I agree.  check out this thread to see how you can "catch" a win in 9 hands.

http://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/

Cheers
Nick

[AsymBacGuy]

Hi Mark . . .

"My definition of 'catch' is to win within a series of bets"

You are absolutely 100% correct.

as.

[Jerry]

Guy makes a lot of sense, playing for nearly 35 years I have been preaching/saying, "Play the shoe-Stop trying to change it"..................but many discount that.  So be it.  It is 1,000% true. 

When I try to change shoes and try to get it to continue a pattern or try to apply a universal 'thought' from previous shoes, IT DOES FAIL THE MAJORITY OF THE TIMES! 

I observe and laugh so hard at times, my eyes tear.  Listening to the people with the cut after this or cut after that because of so and so.  Yes, at times yes and an equal amount of times no.  You can be at a shoe and every single natural will cut, every single one.  Then another shoe, every single natural stick, every one!  Then when you change, it reverts back as well. 

But the bottom line is, "Play the shoe and stop trying to change it" your results will be obvious.

This is really good advice.  "Play the shoe and stop trying to change it."

Yesterday I was playing this shoe that only has Players sticking at most twice. The rest were bankers running 4 or more. So that trend was over when about 50 hands later, Player hit the third hole for the first time. The deviation has started and foolishly I tried to force it to a banker!  I tried to chop it when Player hit 7th and then 8th and then 9th win. Good thing I stopped ... Player went on the streak of 20 wins!

So if I had detected the change and play the shoe, even flat betting of 1 unit would net a handsome win. I focused too much on the earlier section and held on to the same trend. it's a valuable lesson.

[alrelax]

This is really good advice.  "Play the shoe and stop trying to change it."

Yesterday I was playing this shoe that only has Players sticking at most twice. The rest were bankers running 4 or more. So that trend was over when about 50 hands later, Player hit the third hole for the first time. The deviation has started and foolishly I tried to force it to a banker!  I tried to chop it when Player hit 7th and then 8th and then 9th win. Good thing I stopped ... Player went on the streak of 20 wins!

So if I had detected the change and play the shoe, even flat betting of 1 unit would net a handsome win. I focused too much on the earlier section and held on to the same trend. it's a valuable lesson.

That's the way you will learn. 

You didn't do anything wrong, lose the guilt!

Foresight, if it came to you which it didn't, would have got you to wager heavy when it hit the 5th hole. 

[Babu]

This is really good advice.  "Play the shoe and stop trying to change it."

Yesterday I was playing this shoe that only has Players sticking at most twice. The rest were bankers running 4 or more. So that trend was over when about 50 hands later, Player hit the third hole for the first time. The deviation has started and foolishly I tried to force it to a banker!  I tried to chop it when Player hit 7th and then 8th and then 9th win. Good thing I stopped ... Player went on the streak of 20 wins!

So if I had detected the change and play the shoe, even flat betting of 1 unit would net a handsome win. I focused too much on the earlier section and held on to the same trend. it's a valuable lesson.

That's because no one is sure about the next hand.  While it might work for that shoe, it will probably fail you in the next two.  Shoulda woulda coulda

[Jimske]

I doubt if I will be posting much to this site any more.  It's fun to read stuff and important to keep focus so in that sense the site can be helpful.  But there is nothing much for me anymore.  I hope this, one of my last posts, helps some be successful.

What you see as patterns are only illusion. There is nothing like trends or patterns that you can identify to forecast in a purely random game.

Absolutely.  I deleted leading to the fallacious mind stuff - that's a reach. It may or may not.

Play the shoe and stop trying to change it.

Are we really trying to change it or force it?  I know this is a bit semantical but this really just means we're guessing what the shoe may do because of some perceived bias.  We're really not thinking that your action has any effect on the outcome.  At least I hope not.  So I think it is important to call it what it is.  Guessing.  IOW, not having any information for the next outcome(s) to be more likely than not.

So playing the shoe, the pattern, the bias, whatever you want to call it is just a guess.  I like to call it a bias.  This doesn't mean you can't guess and win.  I guess and win nearly every shoe!  So you play whatever you perceive to be the "bias" and you bet.  Coming out winners or losers is a matter of betting - read MM, discipline, patience.  So this form of play simply becomes a guessing and betting game.  I hope at this stage in our understanding I don't need to give an example of a shoe bias.

But this is not the only way to win.  One can also win with a fixed placement. I posted a method some time ago that won nearly 200 shoes.  Nobody ever ran it through a program to see if it would hold up.  Given the appropriate table spread and bankroll I'm pretty sure it would.  Still, it is really a betting and MM game.  It's a boring mechanical grind method and most don't have the patience for it.  I don't!  Johno 4 column and staking plan is another fixed method based purely on the maths.  But it's success relies on the betting!  and MM! and discipline!

We can also combine a fixed placement with a bias guess and win.  This is what I do.  I believe most of us have to make some subjective guesses in our play to win IF they win and there are some who win regular.

Aces21 posts appear to be pure fantasy.We hear a lot of talk that at his "house" it's like printing money to the players who are mostly Asian.  When one asks why hasn't the game been shut down one realizes it just ain't so.  Sure, a casino or player can go a pretty long time on a winning or losing jog to give the appearance of constant failure or success.  That's just the nature of a low EV game.

I do wish you all the best of luck!  And I mean ALL!

Thanks for reading, Jim

[alrelax]

I doubt if I will be posting much to this site any more.  It's fun to read stuff and important to keep focus so in that sense the site can be helpful.  But there is nothing much for me anymore.  I hope this, one of my last posts, helps some be successful.
Absolutely.  I deleted leading to the fallacious mind stuff - that's a reach. It may or may not.Are we really trying to change it or force it?  I know this is a bit semantical but this really just means we're guessing what the shoe may do because of some perceived bias.  We're really not thinking that your action has any effect on the outcome.  At least I hope not.  So I think it is important to call it what it is.  Guessing.  IOW, not having any information for the next outcome(s) to be more likely than not.

So playing the shoe, the pattern, the bias, whatever you want to call it is just a guess.  I like to call it a bias.  This doesn't mean you can't guess and win.  I guess and win nearly every shoe!  So you play whatever you perceive to be the "bias" and you bet.  Coming out winners or losers is a matter of betting - read MM, discipline, patience.  So this form of play simply becomes a guessing and betting game.  I hope at this stage in our understanding I don't need to give an example of a shoe bias.

But this is not the only way to win.  One can also win with a fixed placement. I posted a method some time ago that won nearly 200 shoes.  Nobody ever ran it through a program to see if it would hold up.  Given the appropriate table spread and bankroll I'm pretty sure it would.  Still, it is really a betting and MM game.  It's a boring mechanical grind method and most don't have the patience for it.  I don't!  Johno 4 column and staking plan is another fixed method based purely on the maths.  But it's success relies on the betting!  and MM! and discipline!

We can also combine a fixed placement with a bias guess and win.  This is what I do.  I believe most of us have to make some subjective guesses in our play to win IF they win and there are some who win regular.



I do wish you all the best of luck!  And I mean ALL!

Thanks for reading, Jim

Thanks and although at there was a time I actually detested you, I was wrong for thinking that way.  I have changed many of my personal belief's and actions since.  I understand your way of thinking (mostly) including leaving the website on a daily basis, I did and came back.  But, in the grand scheme of things we are all independent, separate and practice individualism.

As far as Aces21, it is annoying and with the aura of his house and the childish pictures and IMO and IMO only the unintelligent videos which is supposed to be some kind of analogy I assume, is plain 'out of context' and like I said, annoying for a smooth board. Enough said.  Onward. 

As far as the betting choices and all that, that is a never ending debate and personal success or failure for each of us.  This is the only game IMO that can make one serious money but on the other hand, can and does cost the majority fortunes as well as their personal sanity and standings outside the casino. 

I can relate this game to my professional career of hazardous material spill remediation.  At times, even with state and fire officials on site and we are all sharing 'incident command', we simply resort to guessing at what to do, cross fingers, hope and scramble at the last possible second to correct something, close eyes and pray for the best possible outcome.  If you never been there on a life or environmental dangerous situation with a group of people making decisions that are not written clearly anywhere or even exists for that matter, you have no idea what I am talking about. It is no different than sitting at a baccarat table with tons of your own money and a table full of superstitions degenerate gamblers that believe to wager one way because they stepped in a pile of dog poo-poo outside the casino in the parking lot or because today their grandmothers best friend past-away 33.3 years ago and she was wearing blue the day she died and the guy that held the door for her coming into the casino was also wearing a blue shirt.  And, you are sitting there ready to wager and the whole table stacks it up on the Banker and you know in your gut the Players are coming out and as you sit there and watch, the Players go on a 14 run streak and everyone gets wiped out wagering every single darn time on the Banker---cause they all knew 100% it would cut.  When you ask why, they plainly tell you, 'because the Banker was already behind by 19 and it has to catch up". 

But hey J, good luck and you have my email.  Seriously, all the best!  Today and always!!!

[Still_Learning]

Jimske, Can you repost that method so I can take a look?

[amatorsapientia]

You know, my favorite hand in blackjack is when the whole table has 19-20 and the dealer shows a 6. The table is laughing, how they won this hand. Dealer flips over a 4, get an Ace. Laughing stops. To be called the dumbest player on the table, I would have split those 10 multiple times until we started getting low cards because I sure as stuff know the dealer doesn't have a 10 under that 6. There is no damn math in gambling, other than counting how much you bet or pull back. Anyone trying to say that statistically this should be player next is wrong. Finding the breakage of patterns is the best thing you can do to save money. No math will ever win. Blackjack counters? Phhh, seen em. Their math says they should double, I say they should hit twice. Didn't listen, lost the bet. Math is good to have on the side. Who has millions to play that long and years to use the statistics to have an edge? The casino. Give me any system you use to win money, I'll show you a couple thousand of shoes, that you would of lost your pants on, because you use your system of math and stats. Stop using math, just look at what's happening. If you can't predict what's happening, move to the next shoe.