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[21 Aces]

With my style I could win well and regular winning under 17% of my placed bet. And, now on average I get clipped for 5 progression bust for every hundred shoe, so I make cake on the other 95 shoe and easily offset the progression busts and skate with a nice profit, hey hey.

I think what soxfan is stating is that out of every 100 shoes played, there are around 5 times where he plays the full negative progression to the 13th bet of 27 units and loses the full 13 in a row.  However typically playing overall is showing more than enough winning to compensate for these progression losses.  This means there are many other times where he is going into the negative progression to various degrees, but the strike rate and winning are strong enough to cover that as well.

Found it:

This is my parlay style, hey hey.
1-1-1-1-2-3-4-6-8-11-15-20-27 units bets
3-2-1-0-2-3-3-5-5-6-7-7-8 units profits

What does this mean?

3-2-1-0-2-3-3-5-5-6-7-7-8 units profits

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What do people think about this way to apply the negative progression:

1-1-1-1-2-3-4-6-8-11-15-20-27 units bets

What if after betting 4 units and losing (7 losses in a row) you allocate the remaining bets to betting WITH Long Bank or Long Player Dragons?  That is, you walk around and find shoes that are in the midst of a Long Bank or Long Player Dragon that is at 8, 9, or 10 wins in a row.  Those are Long Dragons that are very strong formations.  You could even just look for 8's, 9's, or 10's only.  BET WITH THE TREND.  That means you have 6, 8, 11, 15, 20, and 27 unit bets (6 shots) of betting WITH a very strong formation AND being unlucky enough to pick the exact point that it chops to the other side winning.

If you want to be more conservative you could start your Long Dragon riding/ bail out after 4 or 5 losses in a row with 2 or 3 units.  That would give 8-9 shots of having a Long Dragon continue or you have to be unlucky 8-9 times in a row to catch a Long Dragon breaking/ chopping to the other side right when you decide to bet WITH it.

Most active big houses should be fine with this progression up into the $1,000 - $2,000 unit range if they know you are your money is properly sourced.

[Bhumibol]

Thanks Babu.

I use it with a bet selection that calls for a few bets per certain decisions and only look for 3 unit wins. Maybe this is why I do well with it.

I will report again how it goes in the next 6 months or if it does not hold up before than.

If I can recall correctly, it requires successfully winning two in a row.  I think the sequence goes 1,1,3,....   

I tried it and failed miserably.  It's great when it worked but I busted 6 or 7 out of 10.  Although I don't know what the bet selection side of it was like.  I just know with that money scheme, I failed.  I would love to see someone demonstrate success with it for at least 15 SESSIONS consisting of 8 shoes without busting.   

Found it:

This is my parlay style, hey hey.
1-1-1-1-2-3-4-6-8-11-15-20-27 units bets
3-2-1-0-2-3-3-5-5-6-7-7-8 units profits

[alrelax]

Are you really the john-O, for real, hey hey?

You came on my thread and now you are provoking and applying a derogatory slang accusation to me.

Words don't hurt, so don't twist and turn what I am saying.

I did not talk down or slang to you, both not good for the board.  You like to twist and turn things and as far as your 13 step negative progression, it is worthless IMO and the opinion of so many long term players.  But that is not the point really.  You brought this to putting your hands on your hips and trying to convince so many how piling on chips in negative progression that does not even recoup and kids stuff with the name calling you have elected to engage in. 

As I said before (when you went into moderation) PLEASE refrain from my threads coming on and talking you degradation, humiliation and plain horse-stuff.

[Babu]

What does this mean?

3-2-1-0-2-3-3-5-5-6-7-7-8 units profits

Yes, that is units profit as stated.  So if you parlay the first 1 and succeed, you win 3 units.  If you parlay 2nd 1 and succeed, you win 3 units minus the 1st unit you loss and profit 2.  When you succeed with the 3rd 1, you get 3 units minus the 2 loss units and get 1 unit profit.  So if you parlay 27 and win, minus all the previously loss units, you make 8 units.  I guess a lot of people tried this out wrong because they don't understand it.

I think what soxfan is stating is that out of every 100 shoes played, there are around 5 times where he plays the full negative progression to the 13th bet of 27 units and loses the full 13 in a row.  However typically playing overall is showing more than enough winning to compensate for these progression losses.  This means there are many other times where he is going into the negative progression to various degrees, but the strike rate and winning are strong enough to cover that as well.

Forgot to mention that it's not the straight unit bets, you have to win a parlay.  That is the difficult part.  Those losses will put you in a deep hole and difficult to overcome.  UNLESS and good bet selection can overcome it, you will fail miserably.  If one claims they have a bet selection good enough to win those parlays, then I have nothing to argue about.

What do people think about this way to apply the negative progression:

1-1-1-1-2-3-4-6-8-11-15-20-27 units bets

What if after betting 4 units and losing (7 losses in a row) you allocate the remaining bets to betting WITH Long Bank or Long Player Dragons?  That is, you walk around and find shoes that are in the midst of a Long Bank or Long Player Dragon that is at 8, 9, or 10 wins in a row.  Those are Long Dragons that are very strong formations.  You could even just look for 8's, 9's, or 10's only.  BET WITH THE TREND.  That means you have 6, 8, 11, 15, 20, and 27 unit bets (6 shots) of betting WITH a very strong formation AND being unlucky enough to pick the exact point that it chops to the other side winning.

If you want to be more conservative you could start your Long Dragon riding/ bail out after 4 or 5 losses in a row with 2 or 3 units.  That would give 8-9 shots of having a Long Dragon continue or you have to be unlucky 8-9 times in a row to catch a Long Dragon breaking/ chopping to the other side right when you decide to bet WITH it.

Most active big houses should be fine with this progression up into the $1,000 - $2,000 unit range if they know you are your money is properly sourced.

One can do anything.  If one can claim that they can going around and finding long dragon wins, there is no need for any type of progression. Flat betting will do fine.  More than not, once you notice a long dragon, it ends.  During my early years of playing this game, a buddy and I would play the cut after 6 or 7 streaks or chops.  Of course we usually win and look good but on occasions we would look like idiots with people telling us to stop playing against it because you would only lose once.  When we asked they people that follows the streak why they are losing overall when they would only lose once if they simply just follow.  Not one of them can give an answer.  I can almost bet everyone single on this forum has tried.

[alrelax]

BaBu explained it reasonably well!  As he touched on and what is 100% reality--that there is no magical answer to 'cut' or 'sticking with repeats' wagering, etc.  It is a combination of lots of things that I have written about from psych reasoning to buy-in/bank roll reality, etc., but there is no iron-clad mechanical protocol for bet selection at baccarat--which includes using/deploying a progression or not. 

Positive progression if used the right way (with win money) can make you lots of money.  Negative progressions can and do lose players huge money that is all from there buy-in with the attempt to get even or make one unit as a norm, possibly more, etc.