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[alrelax]

Unfortunately there is some hatred on this board.  Some boards have this and some don't.  Before you say some don't--I will tell you there are some technical and business boards I am on and they certainly do not have this kind of back and forth and false accusation by their members.  But, it is what it is.

I do believe as Lungyeh says, people without full time businesses to run or work at, have lots of time and creativity efforts to put into this board.  Didn't say whether that is positive or negativity messages and things--just said lots of time.  And if I don't immediately answer something--then all of a sudden I went silent or gave up or it was fake cause i can't respond, etc.  I have a full time 24/7 emergency service business that has too much work, not enough employees and I have scheduling problems, especially around holidays and the summer time.  Lots of my jobs are on the interstate and the scheduling and deployment is a nightmare.  With that said, gambling i not a grind, have to do everyday, need a hundred and fifty dollars to live daily thing.  I gamble, i go for gusto most of the time, i risk 100% of my buy-in I bring to the casino, i do not play on-line, i have no commercial interest or personal care if anyone sells a book, puts on a seminar or does any other commercial venture with gaming, gambling, casinos, or baccarat. 

As far as Stephen, I jumped on him when he came on this board because he plastered all over it about his best selling baccarat books and other books, etc.  I felt and was endorsed by Vic that he should become a sponsor (which i am privy to the deal and it is not exactly correct or on track with the other ones, but whatever) because he is a commercial venture and that removes him from the regular free member and a bias does exist.  He should have his own Blog-Section to sell his commercial products, no problem.  The board never used to have this ability and recently Vic decided he needed the income to support the board.  All good, no problems.  However, unlike the other sponsors that maintain their sections and answer questions and offer their products, etc., Stephen gets involved in other sections of the board and he gets personal, takes offense and challenges others.  We are not selling anything, and there is the main and huge difference of opinion and facts.  Also as many have pointed out, what works for me might not work for another because of personal believes and deployment of the 'way', etc.  Also about Stephen is his flip-flopping.  He likes you sincerely as long as you side with him and endorse him to a certain point, other wise he will academically and with larger words and links attempt to discredit you and run you down in order to protect his #1 Amazon selling all time list baccarat books.  He has doesn't this now with me a couple of times.  All fin, no problem, he has brought out his true colors.  I would love to publish things i know about Stephen from our PM's, emails and other internet finds, but I will not-I will drop it after this.   

One last this about Stephen in my book as well as systems.  That is no system can work on the higher majority of shoes, whether consecutively or taking a break and coming back.  Does not matter.  Stephen seems to think that a few units can win easily and then stop and return another time and do again.  I say, if it works--play it--become rich, no become wealthy past rich!  Buy his book, it's only $20 or $30 or $40. Almost anyone on this board or anywhere can certainly afford that.  I myself buy more garbage ad more books than that each and every month or so, no one will go broke buying Stephen's book, that is for sure!  So buy it, play it and become multi millionaires!.  Stay here and argue about it, foolish.  Where are all the people that bought the books here and all their rock solid testimony???

IMO and that of many many others--any shoe can be real.  Unless you are talking about 60 bankers and 10 players and 10 ties or something like 40 ties and 40 players and 2 bankers.  Seriously, if you don't understand, you have not played baccarat for very long.  If you do understand and played for a while, and you are calling my shoes fake, you have an agenda and that is plain and simple.  Anything and everything happens in baccarat.  IMO, a good system will work and should profit on at least 8 or 9 out of 10 shoes o matter what.  No matter the fluctuation of prevailing hands and their events (meaning-patterns and trends) or the amount of the wagers or the actual amount of shoes played non-stop.  I do not see Stephens system doing that from those 16 shoes I posted and had someone that understand his system run them.  They are posted at "16 Live B&M Shoes" in the baccarat forum on this board.  According to another member Stephen's system won 8 shoes and lost 7 shoes.  All fine and good.  Stephen refused to run is system against those shoes and those shoes are 100% real.  He claims they are fake, all good nothing i can say except they are not and to any experienced baccarat player, there is nothing wrong with them, pretty typical looking shoes.  Stephen also claims, which baffles me, y score cards are too messy, written on, notes on, + signs on, etc.,  which cause them to lose credibility, etc.?  Okay, all fine, sorry that is they we play baccarat around here at the table.  I used to always throw then away after each and every shoe at the casino.  I only saved some to put on this board here--guess i should rethink that and leave it all up to the systems commercial guy to run the board and set the protocol and have everyone post and ask for his permission to be on the board here???  I guess.

Part of the mob?  Seriously, WTF?  No idea and stop the nonsense, seriously my 4 year old makes up better stores about Five Nights of Freddy and himself things and adventures!

WTF is the $1,000 workshop have to do with me?  Again, stop the nonsense.  And from an honors graduate of a major university who is writing million dollar winning baccarat systems what will soon bankrupt the casinos?  Why the stories and the made up mob and workshop collusion stuff?  Prove i am part of it!

"Quoted From Lungyeh":

1) I mentioned I lost my bankroll playing Greg Fletcher's system because I ran into several shoes with predominant 2s. That must hve been ages ago. Long before TUBS and Steven coming here. I never knew about TUBS then. I said I wanted to buy TUBS but instead I bought the wrong book Baccarat Players Advantage promoted by another member of the forum for US$50! Wth! And there is no system in the book. When I am not traveling n free I will sit down to order TUBS and see what the furore is all about 

Alrelax: [The sad part of systems.  There is evidence, as i said--if Stephens system is a number 1 best selling book of all time on Amazon--where are all the testimonies and proof of the winners and the $$$, "Show me the Money", would go an awful long way, except, "stay tuned it is coming" but i am Superhuman and can out do everybody and everything in gambling, etc.  Again sheer nonsense]

2) like most people here, I have other things to do. I have several businesses to run. Some have other jobs. Alrelax, I know has a thriving business to manage. It just would be unfathomable to think that he would go and create fake shoes to be nemesis for Steven's book. Maybe Gizmo, you may have more time and have the intellect to do things fast and furious given that running a roulette school for 4-5 pax may not  be too time demanding. People who have not worked full time or managed business(es) full time in recent years tend not to know the time demands. I am just assuming Alrelax got better things to do. I can speak on his behalf on that. If the accusations fall on you as the one creating th fake shoes, I may take the same stance because I really don't believe someone would take the time to do that. But I also may not because I really don't know if you really have the time and leisure to do it

Alrelax: [Absoutley, thank you Lungyeh--spot on.]

3) I am not part of the mob against Steven. My last posting is was also addressed to alrelax to remind him we have many people with many different ideas and perhaps he should take heed. My position is that there would always be a nemesis for each and every system. I don't know why you say I am part of the mob. I may mob against you Gizmo. Its just that I don't think you are worth my time given my experiences with you. I neither have the time nor energy to spar with people whose full time job is running a roulette college for 4-5 pax and claim a superior intellect to devise fully guaranteed win systems. All the best to you Gizmo. Just done drag me into your battle with alrelax. I would be a better friend than enemy.

Alrelax: [Again, thanks--spot on.  No idea and no connection with the mob against Stephen.  But then anyone not siding with him is turned into the bad members and a few of them are picked on if they respond with aggressive words as I do.]

In closing:

The whole key to baccarat is coming at it from all directions, not with any one or two or three systems or ways.  By systems and ways I mean--pre-selected preconceived scheduled wager placement methods.  They will not prevail the highest majority of the total shoes you play over time.  Sure, maybe one day or two days or 1 month, but not 80 out of 100 shoes or 400 out of 500 shoes.  Sorry, no systems or no person's set ways will allow that, including mine and that is why i have changed years ago to using what i know in some shoes and not within other shoes.  Meaning--what works on one might not work an the next or even in the second half of the current one.  The way to prevail at baccarat is to attack it from all directions, what works in one shoe might not work in the next or again---it might and therein lies the problem.  You have to add money management, certain ways to guarantee your hold on most of your win money, the ability to risk more than a few units to continue but not to hurt yourself, progressions, complete open mindedness and the vision to wager on a run or streak, on singles, on doubles, on 1's and 3', on 3 or4 and cuts, etc., etc., etc. and so on. 

Just look at a true high dollar shoe won by the players at one table.  We literally took a couple hundred thousand dollars out of the dealer's rack.  Stephen's system lost 1 unit this shoe.  This shoe is a player's dream, happens one shoe in about 40 if you are playing a couple days a week, a few shoes a night.  These are the shoes anyone can prevail at, or at least should.  Nothing against his system or anyone's system.  My example shows you, what a system can or cannot do.  The shoe and thread is posted with an actual casino screen shot as well as my own score card (all scribbled on) on this board in the baccarat room entitles, "Actual 30k Win Shoe".

Stephen's system won 8 and lost 7 on those shoes, but that is the same as me saying I will only wager on the 3's/4's and then cut.  I will miss the streaks but i will catch the on plenty.  Problem with that, you will lose you winnings most of the time when it makes 5's to 10's on the run.  You have to go with stuff and then you have to know when to cut back.  I wrote a series of 10 articles entitled 1 of 10, 2 of 10, 3 of 10, etc., in my Blog Room on the first page of it.  I address a lot of what I just mentioned, too much for one paragraph to explain.  But those that say I am fake and lie, are only defending and protecting their own commercial venture which is contradictory to an actual winning system that can and will prevail the highest majority of all shoes you play.  If it did--they would not be on this board fighting and second, hey would allow their book to get into the mainstream and truly revolutionize the entire gambling world virtually overnight. 

IMO, Stephen's system which is a knock off of TUBS, etc., can win and lose at certain times, the same as any other limited preconceived scheduled wagering placement method at baccarat will do. I understand Stephen's hype and motivation, I am sorry I turned silent to you and stopped endorsing you to a certain point, you and your comrades, Gismo26 (AKA) Gizmotron, Green Guy, etc., helped achieve that.  In your professional career of writing, I understand.  I compare it to my hazardous maters response business.  Like when I was arrested a bit ago by a state police rookie trooper and handcuffed and pulled off a major job on the interstate because I got mad at him for asking me 20 times, "how much longer until my interstate is reopened"?  Of course the captain at the barracks released me without charges and drove me back to the scene of the crash with a stern lecture to take it easy on his troopers, etc. It is in my Blog for those of you who desire to learn about that one.  I truly can relate Stephen.  Think about what you said to me and think about what your system truly is and can do.  Think about how you outright insulted me and accused me of fake shoes, setting you up, being part of the mob, being in collusion with courses in Vegas and casinos, among other things that are not true or accurate at all.  As well, you have not one piece of evidence whatsoever.  None, zero, zilich, nadda, zip.  And all that happened because I did not side with you, endorse you and others led you to say--everything you have about the shoes I posted that are not fake, but if they were they were written and matched up to your system that would put it in a bad light???  Seriously, then why when i had someone run those 16 live shoes posted here on this board, your system won and prevailed at 8 of them???  Seriously?  Your systems won 8 of the shoes.  Again, not bad, but on the other hand--it will not prevail he highest majority of even 16 shoes.  That is a fact. Maybe the next 16 shoes it will win every one!!  Maybe not.  Again, the exact same as paying something like 3 or 4 repeats and then cut.  Wager for the cut, you might win every time for one shoe or 5 shoes straight.  Then you lose during the subsequent shoes.  That is baccarat, you can't change it. You are convinced you have and did.  You did not, IMO.

You blame me for lots of bad things and discrediting you, or at last my attempt to discredit you.  I am sorry if that is the case.  I merely was defending the facts that your system cannot and will not win the highest majority of shoes.  I did notice in the beginning you were saying every shoe and than switched to coincide with something like 75/25% of the shoes played.  I still don't understand wining all the time 3 units but a stop loss of losing 6 units.  If it is really a winning 'system' it would not lose?  I am once again sorry all this happened.  I think you should have presented your book(s) in a different light instead of the 'holy-grail' and talking down about anything, anybody and all the accusations you have inflicted. You have stopped me from even thinking about buying your book and any other possibilities of anything in the future that could have benefited the both of us.  I am not the person others have led you to believe.

Thank you, Alrelax.

[naturaln1ne]

Hi allrelax, just two quick questions, I'm new here. I assume when you play you don't use a system of any sort as you bash them so much, so do you just flat-bet with your gut? And I assume you're down lifetime? Since as you say everyday on here by the looks of it, no systems work and the house always wins. Surely if no systems work then just betting with your intuition can't work either, right?

[alrelax]

Hi allrelax, just two quick questions, I'm new here. I assume when you play you don't use a system of any sort as you bash them so much, so do you just flat-bet with your gut? And I assume you're down lifetime? Since as you say everyday on here by the looks of it, no systems work and the house always wins. Surely if no systems work then just betting with your intuition can't work either, right?

I have explained the way I play, if you only read the drama and the systems articles--you will not understand.  I attack it from all directions and i use my own 1/3rd money management system which guarantees I hold a certain amount of my win money, when I win, and I use the other portion to fuel my immediate chips stack to continue wagering with repeated buying in.  I have written plenty on this, read it if you are interested.  There is a series of 10 articles that I have wrote on the first page of my Blog Room here on this board you can read if you like.  Lots of my own wagering explanations are contained in those.

I am not down lifetime, i know my bank rolls and my wins and larger losses.  I am up.  All in perspective.  I go with the shoe, I go against the shoe, I go with set protocol scheduled triggers when I see they are happening and then immediately stop them after prevailing with those, etc.  I flip flop to the average person watching the game.  Almost everyone has a set protocol how and when they wager for most events happening.  I do not.

As a rough estimate, I play 10 shoes.  4-5, I do fairly well at, again-all in perspective to what one buys in for, his bankroll(s), his experience and what he is playing for and the size of his units, etc.  2-3, shoes I break even or nearly even with  a win so trivial it barely covers gas and snacks to the casino (100 miles each way) when i am local, excluding A.C./Vegas/Southern CA, etc.  Because I play for larger wins, not a grind of $100-$200 a day, etc.  2-3, shoes I lose my buy in (not to be confused with bank-roll).  I know I am up because i never have to replenish from zero (only topping off from casino wins occasionally) and I buy numerous items (always spending) the larger wins almost immediately.  I do not and will not increase my bank roll size and start playing with larger regular playing units with immediate wins,  I used to do that years ago and that will lead 9 out of 10 or higher, of us to disaster. At least it did myself and all my other casino buddies. 

I hope you understand.   

[alrelax]

Since as you say everyday on here by the looks of it, no systems work and the house always wins.

And, to the best of my knowledge, unless i said it in a factious way--I did not say 'the house always wins'.  I probably said 'the house will eventually take all your buy in and wagers, etc., if you are using a 'system', etc.  Win some, lose some, and lose it all every time in an unknown and non classifiable amount of shoes. 

Once again, define 'system'.  A pre-selected preconceived scheduled protocol method of wager placement. 

The game is very winnable--just depends on your win management, bank roll, buy in, wagering, time played, progressions and a host of other things in and above solely wagering.  IMO and experience. 

But I never said, "The house always wins" in the gist meaning, every player will lose every wager, no matter what they do. 

[WildMoney]

Unfortunately there is some hatred on this board.  Some boards have this and some don't.  Before you say some don't--I will tell you there are some technical and business boards I am on and they certainly do not have this kind of back and forth and false accusation by their members.  But, it is what it is.

I do believe as Lungyeh says, people without full time businesses to run or work at, have lots of time and creativity efforts to put into this board.  Didn't say whether that is positive or negativity messages and things--just said lots of time.  And if I don't immediately answer something--then all of a sudden I went silent or gave up or it was fake cause i can't respond, etc.  I have a full time 24/7 emergency service business that has too much work, not enough employees and I have scheduling problems, especially around holidays and the summer time.  Lots of my jobs are on the interstate and the scheduling and deployment is a nightmare.  With that said, gambling i not a grind, have to do everyday, need a hundred and fifty dollars to live daily thing.  I gamble, i go for gusto most of the time, i risk 100% of my buy-in I bring to the casino, i do not play on-line, i have no commercial interest or personal care if anyone sells a book, puts on a seminar or does any other commercial venture with gaming, gambling, casinos, or baccarat. 

As far as Stephen, I jumped on him when he came on this board because he plastered all over it about his best selling baccarat books and other books, etc.  I felt and was endorsed by Vic that he should become a sponsor (which i am privy to the deal and it is not exactly correct or on track with the other ones, but whatever) because he is a commercial venture and that removes him from the regular free member and a bias does exist.  He should have his own Blog-Section to sell his commercial products, no problem.  The board never used to have this ability and recently Vic decided he needed the income to support the board.  All good, no problems.  However, unlike the other sponsors that maintain their sections and answer questions and offer their products, etc., Stephen gets involved in other sections of the board and he gets personal, takes offense and challenges others.  We are not selling anything, and there is the main and huge difference of opinion and facts.  Also as many have pointed out, what works for me might not work for another because of personal believes and deployment of the 'way', etc.  Also about Stephen is his flip-flopping.  He likes you sincerely as long as you side with him and endorse him to a certain point, other wise he will academically and with larger words and links attempt to discredit you and run you down in order to protect his #1 Amazon selling all time list baccarat books.  He has doesn't this now with me a couple of times.  All fin, no problem, he has brought out his true colors.  I would love to publish things i know about Stephen from our PM's, emails and other internet finds, but I will not-I will drop it after this.   

One last this about Stephen in my book as well as systems.  That is no system can work on the higher majority of shoes, whether consecutively or taking a break and coming back.  Does not matter.  Stephen seems to think that a few units can win easily and then stop and return another time and do again.  I say, if it works--play it--become rich, no become wealthy past rich!  Buy his book, it's only $20 or $30 or $40. Almost anyone on this board or anywhere can certainly afford that.  I myself buy more garbage ad more books than that each and every month or so, no one will go broke buying Stephen's book, that is for sure!  So buy it, play it and become multi millionaires!.  Stay here and argue about it, foolish.  Where are all the people that bought the books here and all their rock solid testimony???

IMO and that of many many others--any shoe can be real.  Unless you are talking about 60 bankers and 10 players and 10 ties or something like 40 ties and 40 players and 2 bankers.  Seriously, if you don't understand, you have not played baccarat for very long.  If you do understand and played for a while, and you are calling my shoes fake, you have an agenda and that is plain and simple.  Anything and everything happens in baccarat.  IMO, a good system will work and should profit on at least 8 or 9 out of 10 shoes o matter what.  No matter the fluctuation of prevailing hands and their events (meaning-patterns and trends) or the amount of the wagers or the actual amount of shoes played non-stop.  I do not see Stephens system doing that from those 16 shoes I posted and had someone that understand his system run them.  They are posted at "16 Live B&M Shoes" in the baccarat forum on this board.  According to another member Stephen's system won 8 shoes and lost 7 shoes.  All fine and good.  Stephen refused to run is system against those shoes and those shoes are 100% real.  He claims they are fake, all good nothing i can say except they are not and to any experienced baccarat player, there is nothing wrong with them, pretty typical looking shoes.  Stephen also claims, which baffles me, y score cards are too messy, written on, notes on, + signs on, etc.,  which cause them to lose credibility, etc.?  Okay, all fine, sorry that is they we play baccarat around here at the table.  I used to always throw then away after each and every shoe at the casino.  I only saved some to put on this board here--guess i should rethink that and leave it all up to the systems commercial guy to run the board and set the protocol and have everyone post and ask for his permission to be on the board here???  I guess.

Part of the mob?  Seriously, WTF?  No idea and stop the nonsense, seriously my 4 year old makes up better stores about Five Nights of Freddy and himself things and adventures!

WTF is the $1,000 workshop have to do with me?  Again, stop the nonsense.  And from an honors graduate of a major university who is writing million dollar winning baccarat systems what will soon bankrupt the casinos?  Why the stories and the made up mob and workshop collusion stuff?  Prove i am part of it!

"Quoted From Lungyeh":

1) I mentioned I lost my bankroll playing Greg Fletcher's system because I ran into several shoes with predominant 2s. That must hve been ages ago. Long before TUBS and Steven coming here. I never knew about TUBS then. I said I wanted to buy TUBS but instead I bought the wrong book Baccarat Players Advantage promoted by another member of the forum for US$50! Wth! And there is no system in the book. When I am not traveling n free I will sit down to order TUBS and see what the furore is all about 

Alrelax: [The sad part of systems.  There is evidence, as i said--if Stephens system is a number 1 best selling book of all time on Amazon--where are all the testimonies and proof of the winners and the $$$, "Show me the Money", would go an awful long way, except, "stay tuned it is coming" but i am Superhuman and can out do everybody and everything in gambling, etc.  Again sheer nonsense]

2) like most people here, I have other things to do. I have several businesses to run. Some have other jobs. Alrelax, I know has a thriving business to manage. It just would be unfathomable to think that he would go and create fake shoes to be nemesis for Steven's book. Maybe Gizmo, you may have more time and have the intellect to do things fast and furious given that running a roulette school for 4-5 pax may not  be too time demanding. People who have not worked full time or managed business(es) full time in recent years tend not to know the time demands. I am just assuming Alrelax got better things to do. I can speak on his behalf on that. If the accusations fall on you as the one creating th fake shoes, I may take the same stance because I really don't believe someone would take the time to do that. But I also may not because I really don't know if you really have the time and leisure to do it

Alrelax: [Absoutley, thank you Lungyeh--spot on.]

3) I am not part of the mob against Steven. My last posting is was also addressed to alrelax to remind him we have many people with many different ideas and perhaps he should take heed. My position is that there would always be a nemesis for each and every system. I don't know why you say I am part of the mob. I may mob against you Gizmo. Its just that I don't think you are worth my time given my experiences with you. I neither have the time nor energy to spar with people whose full time job is running a roulette college for 4-5 pax and claim a superior intellect to devise fully guaranteed win systems. All the best to you Gizmo. Just done drag me into your battle with alrelax. I would be a better friend than enemy.

Alrelax: [Again, thanks--spot on.  No idea and no connection with the mob against Stephen.  But then anyone not siding with him is turned into the bad members and a few of them are picked on if they respond with aggressive words as I do.]

In closing:

The whole key to baccarat is coming at it from all directions, not with any one or two or three systems or ways.  By systems and ways I mean--pre-selected preconceived scheduled wager placement methods.  They will not prevail the highest majority of the total shoes you play over time.  Sure, maybe one day or two days or 1 month, but not 80 out of 100 shoes or 400 out of 500 shoes.  Sorry, no systems or no person's set ways will allow that, including mine and that is why i have changed years ago to using what i know in some shoes and not within other shoes.  Meaning--what works on one might not work an the next or even in the second half of the current one.  The way to prevail at baccarat is to attack it from all directions, what works in one shoe might not work in the next or again---it might and therein lies the problem.  You have to add money management, certain ways to guarantee your hold on most of your win money, the ability to risk more than a few units to continue but not to hurt yourself, progressions, complete open mindedness and the vision to wager on a run or streak, on singles, on doubles, on 1's and 3', on 3 or4 and cuts, etc., etc., etc. and so on. 

Just look at a true high dollar shoe won by the players at one table.  We literally took a couple hundred thousand dollars out of the dealer's rack.  Stephen's system lost 1 unit this shoe.  This shoe is a player's dream, happens one shoe in about 40 if you are playing a couple days a week, a few shoes a night.  These are the shoes anyone can prevail at, or at least should.  Nothing against his system or anyone's system.  My example shows you, what a system can or cannot do.  The shoe and thread is posted with an actual casino screen shot as well as my own score card (all scribbled on) on this board in the baccarat room entitles, "Actual 30k Win Shoe".

Stephen's system won 8 and lost 7 on those shoes, but that is the same as me saying I will only wager on the 3's/4's and then cut.  I will miss the streaks but i will catch the on plenty.  Problem with that, you will lose you winnings most of the time when it makes 5's to 10's on the run.  You have to go with stuff and then you have to know when to cut back.  I wrote a series of 10 articles entitled 1 of 10, 2 of 10, 3 of 10, etc., in my Blog Room on the first page of it.  I address a lot of what I just mentioned, too much for one paragraph to explain.  But those that say I am fake and lie, are only defending and protecting their own commercial venture which is contradictory to an actual winning system that can and will prevail the highest majority of all shoes you play.  If it did--they would not be on this board fighting and second, hey would allow their book to get into the mainstream and truly revolutionize the entire gambling world virtually overnight. 

IMO, Stephen's system which is a knock off of TUBS, etc., can win and lose at certain times, the same as any other limited preconceived scheduled wagering placement method at baccarat will do. I understand Stephen's hype and motivation, I am sorry I turned silent to you and stopped endorsing you to a certain point, you and your comrades, Gismo26 (AKA) Gizmotron, Green Guy, etc., helped achieve that.  In your professional career of writing, I understand.  I compare it to my hazardous maters response business.  Like when I was arrested a bit ago by a state police rookie trooper and handcuffed and pulled off a major job on the interstate because I got mad at him for asking me 20 times, "how much longer until my interstate is reopened"?  Of course the captain at the barracks released me without charges and drove me back to the scene of the crash with a stern lecture to take it easy on his troopers, etc. It is in my Blog for those of you who desire to learn about that one.  I truly can relate Stephen.  Think about what you said to me and think about what your system truly is and can do.  Think about how you outright insulted me and accused me of fake shoes, setting you up, being part of the mob, being in collusion with courses in Vegas and casinos, among other things that are not true or accurate at all.  As well, you have not one piece of evidence whatsoever.  None, zero, zilich, nadda, zip.  And all that happened because I did not side with you, endorse you and others led you to say--everything you have about the shoes I posted that are not fake, but if they were they were written and matched up to your system that would put it in a bad light???  Seriously, then why when i had someone run those 16 live shoes posted here on this board, your system won and prevailed at 8 of them???  Seriously?  Your systems won 8 of the shoes.  Again, not bad, but on the other hand--it will not prevail he highest majority of even 16 shoes.  That is a fact. Maybe the next 16 shoes it will win every one!!  Maybe not.  Again, the exact same as paying something like 3 or 4 repeats and then cut.  Wager for the cut, you might win every time for one shoe or 5 shoes straight.  Then you lose during the subsequent shoes.  That is baccarat, you can't change it. You are convinced you have and did.  You did not, IMO.

You blame me for lots of bad things and discrediting you, or at last my attempt to discredit you.  I am sorry if that is the case.  I merely was defending the facts that your system cannot and will not win the highest majority of shoes.  I did notice in the beginning you were saying every shoe and than switched to coincide with something like 75/25% of the shoes played.  I still don't understand wining all the time 3 units but a stop loss of losing 6 units.  If it is really a winning 'system' it would not lose?  I am once again sorry all this happened.  I think you should have presented your book(s) in a different light instead of the 'holy-grail' and talking down about anything, anybody and all the accusations you have inflicted. You have stopped me from even thinking about buying your book and any other possibilities of anything in the future that could have benefited the both of us.  I am not the person others have led you to believe.

Thank you, Alrelax.

Allrelax I'm new here too, can you say without a shadow of any doubt that your way of playing is the best and that stsephen's is not?

I got a copy of that book on amazon called, the silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy 2.1 and I can't see any wrong with it. I checked it on many shoes and it performs great. He has another book called the "golden secret" baccarat system.

Are you also saying that this is no good? Because the silver bullet proof book works so why shouldn't the golden secret.

I went to a number of other forums and read posts from people that use his systems and recommend his books. If you have a better system can you send a link?

[alrelax]

Allrelax I'm new here too, can you say without a shadow of any doubt that your way of playing is the best and that stsephen's is not?

I got a copy of that book on amazon called, the silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy 2.1 and I can't see any wrong with it. I checked it on many shoes and it performs great. He has another book called the "golden secret" baccarat system.

Are you also saying that this is no good? Because the silver bullet proof book works so why shouldn't the golden secret.

I went to a number of other forums and read posts from people that use his systems and recommend his books. If you have a better system can you send a link?

I don't have to buy it or read it, others did on this site, it is worthless and will only cost the player money.  Thanks for bringing this up again to reinforce what the author has to do for publicity, which is spam and slam message boards and lie about his identity, exactly what you  are doing.  hopefully any potential buyers of the book will now once again see what you are doing in the attempt to get a few book sales.  You are the pure scum of the gambling world.

[super6]

This guy call Alrelax just write a whole load of baloney stuffs filling up forum space. I don't think he gambles at all now, but maybe in the past , he might have lost alot of money using whatever imaginable systems that he bought. That's why he has an axe to grind with system sellers, that he's gone crazy just to tarnish the system sellers. He got so mad that a few weeks ago he just copy and paste wholesale the nonsensical articles posted here to the Beat The Casino.com public forum just to get attention. But unfortunately for him, no one bother to even post any replies on his articles that he requested the administrator to take down the articles after he got shot down by a few experience members at BTC.

And he's the one who commented that people are so free with a lot to time to troll casino forums, and he forgets that he's the main one that has too much time to post those nonsensical articles. Yet he claims that he runs a business and is always occupied with his work.
Can you show us how to win in Baccarat instead of writing baloney and cursing members??.

[alrelax]

This guy call Alrelax just write a whole load of baloney stuffs filling up forum space. I don't think he gambles at all now, but maybe in the past , he might have lost alot of money using whatever imaginable systems that he bought. That's why he has an axe to grind with system sellers, that he's gone crazy just to tarnish the system sellers. He got so mad that a few weeks ago he just copy and paste wholesale the nonsensical articles posted here to the Beat The Casino.com public forum just to get attention. But unfortunately for him, no one bother to even post any replies on his articles that he requested the administrator to take down the articles after he got shot down by a few experience members at BTC.

And he's the one who commented that people are so free with a lot to time to troll casino forums, and he forgets that he's the main one that has too much time to post those nonsensical articles. Yet he claims that he runs a business and is always occupied with his work.
Can you show us how to win in Baccarat instead of writing baloney and cursing members??.

Simple, if you don't like what I write, don't read it.

As far as your other stuff, I was invited by a member to join their forum.  I was unaware of a member there that is a notorious player and was in conjunction a 'professional friend' of a previous board admin/owner that has huge markers out and owed in Las Vegas for hundreds of thousands of dollars and will ultimately and most likely be criminally prosecuted.  I wanted nothing to do with the board once I found out who was sponsoring and putting on their seminars for hire, which was the board member i am referring to.

So, as soon as I found out that board member/notorious person was there and in conjunction affiliated with their seminar gig, I attempted to have my few posts deleted and that is the point they said what they did.

I ahve never purchased a system and never will.  Too many have alerted all of us as to what happens with them such as Ted0009 and Leugnyeh, etc., systems are fraud and authors and systems sellers are the scum of the earth IMO.  Advise and life stories and experiences are gold and real.  Period.

If you are looking for a magical system,keep looking, there is none. LOL.

That is the rest of the story.  You talk good, but you do not know the story, thanks.

[super6]

Really? Are you online in this forum twenty four hours? Immediate reply.. geez!! FYI I don't read your stuff at all!! Get a life and work on your biz.

[alrelax]

Really? Are you online in this forum twenty four hours? Immediate reply.. geez!! FYI I don't read your stuff at all!! Get a life and work on your biz.

I am on when i am on, LOL.  You are sure worried about me.  LOL.  You need to take your own advise.  P.S.  Stephen is a jerk off, IMO as the others that teach fallacy in their fake seminars and hang out with people that owe hundreds of thousands of dollars in bad checks to Las Vegas casinos and claim they are high rollers, LOL.  WTF, seriously a bunch of fallacy. 

[Atlantis]

alrelax is right.

No question about it. These 'system sellers' cannot stand for or allow the actual "truth" to be known, stated and laid out in black and white for everybody to see, witness and comprehend. That's because their business (system selling) is taking a knock and it's really harming their sales and profits.

So incensed and irate are they by these truthful revelations - which are undoubtedly wising up many prospective potential customers by now - that they feel they must quickly respond and strongly refute the allegations in the hope of sowing fresh seeds of doubt and swaying any 'waverers' or 'undecided' against rejecting their offerings completely out of hand.

They just cannot afford to have someone come on and warn customers away by outing them, 'blowing the gaff' and countering their so-called claims, results and testimonials. It's bad press - and bad for business!

These unscrupulous individuals that alrelax mentions and cautions us about are playing games and will stoop to even running their own forums to draw ppl into their web. They may have a hidden agenda - machinations to get fees from members in return for "secret strategies" and so on... Since they are running the show they can easily block input from well-meaning but dangerous parties who can patently see and wish to reveal what they are really up to.

I support and salute all members who stand up to these type of individuals in the interests of this forum and its members and who are brave and courageous enough to tell it like it really is. We must not spend our lives being influenced or falling for this garbage or be deluded into chasing rainbows for mythical pots of gold.

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.

[keep.casino777]

alrelax is right.

No question about it. These 'system sellers' cannot stand for or allow the actual "truth" to be known, stated and laid out in black and white for everybody to see, witness and comprehend. That's because their business (system selling) is taking a knock and it's really harming their sales and profits.

So incensed and irate are they by these truthful revelations - which are undoubtedly wising up many prospective potential customers by now - that they feel they must quickly respond and strongly refute the allegations in the hope of sowing fresh seeds of doubt and swaying any 'waverers' or 'undecided' against rejecting their offerings completely out of hand.

They just cannot afford to have someone come on and warn customers away by outing them, 'blowing the gaff' and countering their so-called claims, results and testimonials. It's bad press - and bad for business!

These unscrupulous individuals that alrelax mentions and cautions us about are playing games and will stoop to even running their own forums to draw ppl into their web. They may have a hidden agenda - machinations to get fees from members in return for "secret strategies" and so on... Since they are running the show they can easily block input from well-meaning but dangerous parties who can patently see and wish to reveal what they are really up to.

I support and salute all members who stand up to these type of individuals in the interests of this forum and its members and who are brave and courageous enough to tell it like it really is. We must not spend our lives being influenced or falling for this garbage or be deluded into chasing rainbows for mythical pots of gold.

Take care and don't get fooled.

A.

You're referring to Tabone's system books. Can't see anything wrong in system books, all above board unlike dodgy and useless $1,000 Vegas workshops and pyramid schemes promoted by Alrelax and a few others on this forum. This the reason you and those other members don't like genuine systems because you're part of the crooked stuff going on.

This forum is bet selection, any selection of bets means one is using a system. A system seller, is a system seller. A system seller is a system creator. If people want to buy and use a system sold by a system creator/seller then what is wrong in that? Where is the wrong? It's not against any law...

But if members promote pyramid schemes that take peoples money to gamble on baccarat (or pretend to) and then they will say they lost the money, then this is what is against the law persay. But you'd rather support such schemes that Alrelax supports than see sense. In my view such members are on the dark side.

Look at the post by a member who questioned Alrelax about him trying to get money from members portending to help kids. Alrelax didn't provide any official documents or evidence a member wrote to show where the money was going. All the crooked members kept silent about this...

I went to amazon to look at stephen tabone's baccarat books, I think the covers look great and I am going to buy the silver bullet proof baccarat winning strategy book to judge for myself. I will judge for myself because a number of members on this site cannot be trusted. 

So far as I can make out, I don't see that anyone has been fooled. I see good and bad reviews. From what I have read on this forum the bad reviewers came from this forum from jealous members and those that support the pyramid schemes. Remove these and all the reviews are good 3 plus stars.

I have also seen good reviews on this forum from members and that tabone had kept his word woth free books until he was forced off of this site. You fail to state this in your summing up. Yet this is as anyone would expect from someone like you that supports someone like Alrelax and his mob of pyramid scheme scammers!

Also having read your posts anyone can see how malicious and vindictive you actually are. For you slip into crookedness that like your fellow deluded member friends. Lol Don't make me laugh because I don't want coffee or chilli sauce coming out of my nose.

Anyway I'll order a paperback and report back my findings.
There's no such thing as bad publicity but I'll be the judge after I get my copy. If I see that the system is bad I'll join the dark side. But if the system is good then I'll join the members who don't like Alrelax and his pyramid scheme and fake charity and pretend airline pilot supporters. lol

Alrelax is only right if you believe in Alrelax' deluded posts, if you believe he even has a job when he spends all of his time writing posts on countless forums lol yeah sure Alrelax is right, he uses his kids as emotional blackmail, yeah sure his right, stick with this racist and sexist man, reads his posts, yeah sure his right. His right about nothing...lol

[Atlantis]

keep.casino777

@Stephen Tabone - that's you, that is!

Utter tripe!

You're twisting my words into things I never wrote and making inferences to support your own distorted point of view!

You do not know me or who I associate with or my business dealings or standing in the community - yet you have the gall to brazenly come on here and dare to make unfounded assumptions whilst at the same time attack and slight my character with untruths (stuff you only imagine or made up - or stuff you would really like to believe was true to suit your aggrieved stance of being discriminated against)

Anyone who read my post can see that there is no personal vindictiveness or attack in my message; just plain support for alrelax and the facts and experience regarding system sellers in general.

Malice and vindictiveness you say - look whose talking! You need to get off your high horse, stop ego-tripping and wake up and smell that cheap instant coffee you're drinking and get a reality check about what sort of a person you have become.

There is specialist help available for ppl like you. But first you need to want to change. You must want to sincerely reform and become a kinder more caring citizen who can contribute to society in a nicer, better and more effective way. But don't worry or get upset, bro. There's still time for you to change. You have it in you - if you will only but try. Be nice - and try to smile a bit more. You look a tad worried/shifty in those sunglasses pictures.   

As for the many crooked members you accuse and go on about - there is only one crook in this saga and we all know who that is - Yes Sirreee!

And don't you ever, ever come back on here and attack me like that again or say things like you did about me on that two-bit fleabag forum of yours - because if you do.... you're making a big mistake.

A.

[alrelax]

Hi allrelax, just two quick questions, I'm new here. I assume when you play you don't use a system of any sort as you bash them so much, so do you just flat-bet with your gut? And I assume you're down lifetime? Since as you say everyday on here by the looks of it, no systems work and the house always wins. Surely if no systems work then just betting with your intuition can't work either, right?

Here, I tried my best to answer your question. 

http://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/my-view-on-systems-and-bet-selection-as-raised-by-some/